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My turn, let’s get something straight! Everyone says you need a top 5 player to win yet 2014 proves that wrong. Look I get it Superstars win it nearly all the time but just saying... best team wins.
I realize Green is just defending that s bag because he's stuck with him for at least another season, but I've heard many times over the past 4 years something to the effect or along the lines of, Leonard brought, won, led, etc. the Spurs to a championship.
Obviously they wouldn't have won in '14 without him . . . but the same can be said for 7-8 others on that team. Their unconventionality is what made them particularly special.
He wasn't even the best player on it. His winning Finals MVP was essentially a nod to James (as was Iguodala's winning it in '15). He was a role player, who benefitted from others creating shots for him. Not a damn thing wrong with that, but let's not conflate it with his pulling an '03 Duncan, when he didn't even pull the typical load of one who had that honor bestowed upon him.
My turn, let’s get something straight! Everyone says you need a top 5 player to win yet 2014 proves that wrong. Look I get it Superstars win it nearly all the time but just saying... best team wins.
I doubt that "7-8" others on that team played in the way that Kawhi played those last 3 games.
I wouldn't say he led them becaue it wasn't true but he was the best/most dominant Spurs' player.
I guess it wasn't only his defense on LBJ...
The league changed a lot since 2014, there is a team that is the best team but also has two MVP's/top players...
You need a top 5 talent and or several former HOF all stars. I'd say 2014 is closer to a Boston championship (kathi is rondo) than a 2004 Pistons.
But kawhi was the best player on that team by only much that year. Truthfully he was more replaceable than Duncan or DIAW, but less than Parker and Gino. Splitter and Green. Just amazing a player who lived through that would turn to cancer.
and "pop is god" you forgot!
kawhi's mvp was nothing like iggy's, kawhi was clearly the team's best offensive and defensive player in that final,
although he has turned into a cowardly snake, he is also clearly one of the three best players in the world (with Lebron and Durant).
Bend over, I’ll ing show you something straight.
Exactly. I don't know why people are letting their hate alter their memory. The series seemed like it would be back and forth like '13 untill Kawhi took over. Several Spurs played well and that was a big factor but Kawhi definitely took his game to the next level.I doubt that "7-8" others on that team played in the way that Kawhi played those last 3 games.
I wouldn't say he led them becaue it wasn't true but he was the best/most dominant Spurs' player.
I guess it wasn't only his defense on LBJ...
Hate isn't altering my memory. I've been saying this for 4 years.
To be clear, I view winning a championship and Finals MVP as more than just the championship round. In this league, the "real" championship often occurs before the Finals. In '14, it was the WCF. That team didn't win based on Leonard ISO's or p-n-r's. He was a role player; they all were to varying degrees. But he wasn't the one driving the bus, in any form or fashion.
Don't do this to yourself OP.
No, he wasn't. Nobody stood out "clearly" above the rest. That is the beautiful game's le. He sort of was a system player that year and I'm not just saying that out of saltiness. Obviously, by the end of his tenure here he was doing a lot of carrying and was a Top 3 player.
Kawhi took over? WTF are you talking about. He scored a lot of points off of the system (just like everyone else) but nobody individually "took over".
Taking over to me is what he did against Memphis in that OT game they lost. Or what he was doing against GS before he was Zaza'd. Basically what he did all '17 playoffs but those two games really stood out. No aid from the system, that was just his individual greatness dominating. He wasn't at that level yet in '14. No low post-game yet, no dominant fadeaway, shakier handles, not a 50-40-90 guy yet.
he had 61/58/78 with 136 ortg and 101 drtg but the eye test was what he did for me with him having a lot more impact than any spur in that series (certainly in the final three games)
No. I would give that to him if it was true, but it just isn't. That Spurs team was being nationally praised and having videos made about it's beautiful game, not about any one player's individual greatness. Whatever numbers Kawhi put up weren't put up in the same fashion as he puts them up today (isos).
If people dare to say Kawhi WON 2014 then they need to be man enough to accept he LOST 2013
You can't have it both ways
For that reason I know Kawhi didn't WIN 2014 because it was a collective effort and the most beautiful bb ever - and the Spurs settled old debts on their way to win it. You win as a team and you lose as one
hat's fine with me, I really do not want to defend Kawhi, we're just going to have to agree to disagree
Kawhi got his points on wade and others. Not over lebron. And he got them by open looks by his team or another players getting space for him. And he was a shrimp in game 1 and 2. And we won a game with him entirely missing. He is fortunate to get a FMVP. We would have won with any replacement level SF.
Lol, he won because the whole team was on fire, not because he was dominant or some like that.
Look what he did in 2015, now put Lebron on that 2015 team and see how things are different.
There is Lebron and then the rest... Durants Kiwis Currys etc.
man I know posting is the trend here but this is gay as man you a got
Kawhi cucked champion LeBrat in Gm 3......on the road. The Heatles REALLY thought they had the upper hand in the series after taking Gm 2 before they got swept away by a quiet storm:
The Spurs as a team shot like 80% that first half. But yeah, let's act like Autist just "took over" instead.
Iggy was standing in the corner shooting 3 while being guarded by Mozgov
Jimmy Butler did a better job on LeBron than Iggy during the '15 postseason where LeBron had a season long shooting slump & completely ran out of gas in the Finals after carrying the team for the first 3 games on both offense/defense.
Kawhi was going up against the same LeBron who basically cruised to the Finals in '14 (including the glorified 6 game series against the Pacers) & had his career best TS% that season. In the final 3 games where Kawhi outplayed him 1-on-1, LeBrat was stat padding in glorified garbage time after being timid when Kawhi on the floor for the most part.
Who took charge on the road with his team coming off a home loss? (The media was saying the Heat would win the series if they won Gm 3The Spurs as a team shot like 80% that first half. But yeah, let's act like Autist just "took over" instead.)
Imagine replacing Kawhi w/ DeFrozen in Gm 3 of the '14 Finals.
Its only gay if you look him in the eyes and you like it
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