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Not really a ton of new stuff. My notes:
- Wright - SA is not interested in any sort of rebuild, fans expect team to remain compe ive and stay ahead of other teams
- Wright thinks Ginobili is coming back based on all the talks, joking between Pop and Gino
- Zach continuing his anti-Spurs slant of late, saying the Spurs have a "self-confidence" about turning guys like Murray into stars.
- Lowe/Wright doesn't think the supermax was ever offered or that Kawhi would have actually accepted it (Not motivated by money, endorsements, etc.
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- Wright thinks the Holts' divorce was a factor in deciding whether to offer supermax
- Kawhi kepts telling Pop/RC that he'd back soon and never came back. Ducked out right after the team photoshoot. Wright does say that Kawhi was always planning on coming back and was doing crazy workouts in NYC.
- Porky led the infamous team meeting, guys were overall support of him and his "rehab." Kawhi stood his ground and said "I'll do anything for you guys in this room but not this organization."
- Pop and Kawhi meeting near the draft was just them two and it was very brief, around 10 minutes. Lowe said he heard it went "badly"
- After that meeting and trade request, Spurs still held out hope that they could fix the relationship and did not want to trade him.
- RC/Pop both care for Kawhi as a person deeply, almost like trading a son away according to Wright.
- Kawhi's best friend is Jeremy Castleberry, intern coach on the Spurs.
- Wright says people in the org were willing to let him come to training camp to work it out but did not want to deal with a possible holdout situation at all.
- Lowe calls the Spurs a high floor/low ceiling team next season. I agree tbh.
60+ wins
Thanks for this thread OP! I refuse to post in any apasolic' thread.
I've said before that the Spurs will never offer a player the supermax, Holt divorce was a factor as Pop's retirement, Spurs financial future, etc.
. Kawhi stood his ground and said "I'll do anything for you guys in this room but not this organization.".
This is a lie,,. Kathi doesn't talk, and talk with assertiveness at that. Of course Apo is making hay in his thread about it.
That Jeremy thing is correct. He's Kawhi's buddy/teammate since his Aztec days and Spurs gave him a position in the organization. Funny how Uncle Dennis is always mentioned and not Jeremy. Curious if he is part of Kawhi's 'group' and hes also headed to Toronto or he'll stay within the team org
Wright said that the Spurs liked Jeremy and he's still employed with the Spurs. Lowe said that if he wasn't competent/capable, he would not be employed by the Spurs.
No, he played with Kawhi for the Aztecs but he knows Kawhi since they were 12-13 years old. They played together in IE clubs and then for MLK High in Riverside.
I haven't listened to this podcast but based on cliff notes there are some contradictions it seems considering the narratives being reported for quite some time now.
Really just a strange situation all around. Who knows what went on. Would rather hear this from Kawhi himself not from other people's viewpoint of the situation.
I'm speaking of Wright an Lowe, etc. The Media.
B-b-but the PATFO is the gold standard in professional sports.
It's going to take years, not months to repair their reputation. This was never a Kawhi problem but an organizational one. RC and Pop don't have the Stomaches to deal with today's American athletes. The NBA isn't about culture, it's about personality, expression, heroism and entertainment, all of which the PATFO tries to stifle with their domineering and Autocratic ways. The quicker the Spurs realize and understand this, the quicker the healing process can begin.
Whoop there it is. Ship prospects ruined because Peter had a wandering gaze. I think OP's le is what hurts the establishment employees and vanillas the most. The team's former best player is a fan of his players but not of patfo. That said, these notes spell out a narrative designed to start the healing, yeah? Most of the salient takes from either side of the divorce seem to be represented, as though Wright and Lowe were merely reading back our speculation and wish fulfillment back to us. What do they really know
Yeah, they were really keeping Kawhi's wild, over the top personality in check.B-b-but the PATFO is the gold standard in professional sports.
It's going to take years, not months to repair their reputation. This was never a Kawhi problem but an organizational one. RC and Pop don't have the Stomaches to deal with today's American athletes. The NBA isn't about culture, it's about personality, expression, heroism and entertainment, all of which the PATFO tries to stifle with their domineering and Autocratic ways. The quicker the Spurs realize and understand this, the quicker the healing process can begin.
Stifling it.
dude cant even wipe his own ass, gtfoKawhi stood his ground and said "I'll do anything for you guys in this room but not this organization."
Way back in the beginning of the Kawhi saga, I heard from someone that Kawhi was pissed off and felt disrespected by someone in Spurs' management (not Pop). He wasn't mad at the "misdiagnosis" or anything else, but at something particular that this person said to him/about him. From there, his group allegedly used that to pump Kawhi up into wanting to leave the organization (i.e. Why would you want to stay there when X person said that/believes that about you? They don't even care about you. Superstars should have this and that, etc). So instead of getting over the comment, things escalated. And here we are today. So, I'm not shocked by Wright's statement that Kawhi said "I'll do anything for you guys in this room but not this organization."
Lowe doesn't even attempt to disguise his dislike for the Spurs anymore. As knowledgeable as he is, he's lost a copious amount of credibility as his star has steadily risen. If you're a team who he's well connected with (Celtics, Warriors, Rockets, Thunder, Raptors, Jazz), you're praised ad nauseam and vice versa.
His high floor/low ceiling is both true and a perfect example. All of a sudden a DeRozan and comparable star to Lowry led team is low ceiling. Funny, when they were wearing Raptors jerseys and he was cheerleading for them, he didn't seem to think that. He also didn't criticize the Raptors for not re-building before this fell into their lap and loves their young players, but is seemingly ignorant of the Spurs' comparable stable.
Even with the Raptors winning 60+ games, was there a single soul that saw them as a contender in the east? And as expected, they were spanked out of the playoffs by the Cavs with DeRozen being benched in the clutch for games 3 & 4.
That person should be fired if true. You dont talk to people like that.
Actions speak louder than words though. Kawhi may have said that he'd do anything for the guys in the room, but he never showed up. He also kept telling people he was gonna play and then not doing it. That's the complete opposite of doing anything for the guys in the room.
They won 59, losing in overtime in game 82. And yes, there were plenty who viewed them as a contender in the East. It was moreso about the decline of the Cavaliers and Celtics injuries than confidence in them though.
you don't even know what they said....
But PATFO.B-b-but the PATFO is the gold standard in professional sports.
It's going to take years, not months to repair their reputation. This was never a Kawhi problem but an organizational one. RC and Pop don't have the Stomaches to deal with today's American athletes. The NBA isn't about culture, it's about personality, expression, heroism and entertainment, all of which the PATFO tries to stifle with their domineering and Autocratic ways. The quicker the Spurs realize and understand this, the quicker the healing process can begin.
I dont understand why Spursfans cant just accept the fact that the spurs have no idea how to treat a modern day star.
I’ll do anything for the guys...
Except I have not a fckn clue how to make friends within a team.
LMAO..You really jumped the shark with that anti-PATFO shtick..yeah they were holding back someone who has the personality of a sea turtle..B-b-but the PATFO is the gold standard in professional sports.
It's going to take years, not months to repair their reputation. This was never a Kawhi problem but an organizational one. RC and Pop don't have the Stomaches to deal with today's American athletes. The NBA isn't about culture, it's about personality, expression, heroism and entertainment, all of which the PATFO tries to stifle with their domineering and Autocratic ways. The quicker the Spurs realize and understand this, the quicker the healing process can begin.
Answer my pending question got.
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