Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[Chris]

[Pavlov]

He will. Just like he gave the okay to declassify and release the Page FISA application. Trump is timing maximum damage right before the midterms.

So it's just politics?

[DarrinS]

[spurraider21]

important stuff

[Chris]

[Pavlov]

Great, show us the exoneration order that Rosenstein apparently was able to issue.

[TSA]

So it's just politics?

The entire Trump/Russia election collusion story has been just politics.

[Chris]

[spurraider21]

[Pavlov]

The entire Trump/Russia election collusion story has been just politics.

Oh? Explain your conspiracy theory.

[Pavlov]

"I'm a tweeter. I can say whatever I want as long as I adhere to Twitter's terms of service."

[spurraider21]

"i believe he was being used as a middleman"
"it could be he was being used by other people"
"if i'm right there is a counter counter intelligence sting"

[spurraider21]

picture of jeff sessions smiling means he must be up to a secret plot!

[Pavlov]

"i believe he was being used as a middleman"
"it could be he was being used by other people"
"if i'm right there is a counter counter intelligence sting"

these anonymous twitter dudes need to find a way to monetize their . They've got Chris and TSA latched on to their balls like barnacles on a ship.

[TSA]

these anonymous twitter dudes need to find a way to monetize their . They've got Chris and TSA latched on to their balls like barnacles on a ship.

says the guy latched on to Chris and TSA’s balls.

[Chris]

says the guy latched on to Chris and TSA’s balls.

[Pavlov]

says the guy latched on to Chris and TSA’s balls.

Damn you're really bitter about my mocking you and your stupid ass conspiracy theories.

[Isitjustme?]

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[Chris]

Hillary did nothing wrong!

[ElNono]

it's quite possible that the Mueller investigation will end without (Russian related) conspiracy charges against anyone.

It’s not just possible, it was a given from the start.

Given regarding DJT, I agree. Mueller won't charge the president.

I'm somewhat less sure than you about everyone else.

There's a disconnect in this exchange. I don't think WH is saying Mueller won't find evidence of collusion (and I think that's what TSA is alluding to), but that he won't actually charge the president with the crime (which is another can of worms).

I would concur that whatever evidence Mueller finds will end up in a report to Congress, who might or might not make it public when it matters, and might or might not act to impeach (again, a political, not judicial process).

Even if Manafort is not being charged with collusion, that doesn't rule out that Mueller doesn't have evidence of collusion (or that 'he's sitting on it'). He simply feels he has a strong enough case for this particular trial with the current charges.

He could very well be still developing information on the primary investigative target, and trials like these might also yield additional information through plea deals, discovery, etc.

One thing that's been pretty clear from the get go is that Mueller and his team run a pretty tight-lipped ship. Adventuring what might come out, information-wise, as a result of his investigation, is more of an exercise in wishful thinking than anything else.

When the Prez was elected, I prognosticated he would finish his term, and I don't particularly think that outlook has changed. The only thing that could put a dent on that is Democrats winning both chambers of Congress in the next mid-terms (definitely not a given).

Then, *IF* the Mueller investigation does uncover some gross criminal behavior (also not a given), there would be, at least, the political power and momentum to actually go through an impeachment process.

I think, looking at this situation today, the odds are still fairly largely in Trump's favor (even if he indeed colluded). But America loves drama, so sit back and enjoy the show.

[boutons_deux]

Trump's lawyers updated him on the Mueller investigation. Then Trump tweeted.


On Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning, Trump's lawyers updated him by phone on the latest developments, one person familiar with the matter told CNN.

That included Mueller's latest proposal to secure an interview with Trump,

which was delivered on Tuesday.

Trump tweeted at Sessions hours after being updated by his legal team.

Trump's tweet that

his attorney general "should stop" the probe is notable and

raises fresh questions about whether the President is attempting to obstruct justice.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/trump-russia-jeff-sessions-mueller/index.html?ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail_ _080218

So Trash gets the BAD NEWS from his so-called "lawyers" then orders JeBo to fire Mueller.

btw, Mueller CANNOT publish a public report.

His mandate requires that his report to go only to Congress.

[Winehole23]

There's a disconnect in this exchange. I don't think WH is saying Mueller won't find evidence of collusion (and I think that's what TSA is alluding to), but that he won't actually charge the president with the crime (which is another can of worms).

I would concur that whatever evidence Mueller finds will end up in a report to Congress, who might or might not make it public when it matters, and might or might not act to impeach (again, a political, not judicial process).

Yep

Even if Manafort is not being charged with collusion, that doesn't rule out that Mueller doesn't have evidence of collusion (or that 'he's sitting on it'). He simply feels he has a strong enough case for this particular trial with the current charges.

He could very well be still developing information on the primary investigative target, and trials like these might also yield additional information through plea deals, discovery, etc.

It's actually hard to read the tea leaves, but everyone here pretends it's so easy. Prognostication is a fool's game.

When the Prez was elected, I prognosticated he would finish his term, and I don't particularly think that outlook has changed. The only thing that could put a dent on that is Democrats winning both chambers of Congress in the next mid-terms (definitely not a given).

Then, *IF* the Mueller investigation does uncover some gross criminal behavior (also not a given), there would be, at least, the political power and momentum to actually go through an impeachment process.

I think, looking at this situation today, the odds are still fairly largely in Trump's favor (even if he indeed colluded). But America loves drama, so sit back and enjoy the show.

Impeachment and removal of DJT is a fairly remote possibility; the Dems should concentrate on proposing policies people want and getting voters registered for 2020. At the moment, they seem to be doing neither.

Advantage DJT

[Brazil]

There's a disconnect in this exchange. I don't think WH is saying Mueller won't find evidence of collusion (and I think that's what TSA is alluding to), but that he won't actually charge the president with the crime (which is another can of worms).

I would concur that whatever evidence Mueller finds will end up in a report to Congress, who might or might not make it public when it matters, and might or might not act to impeach (again, a political, not judicial process).

Even if Manafort is not being charged with collusion, that doesn't rule out that Mueller doesn't have evidence of collusion (or that 'he's sitting on it'). He simply feels he has a strong enough case for this particular trial with the current charges.

He could very well be still developing information on the primary investigative target, and trials like these might also yield additional information through plea deals, discovery, etc.

One thing that's been pretty clear from the get go is that Mueller and his team run a pretty tight-lipped ship. Adventuring what might come out, information-wise, as a result of his investigation, is more of an exercise in wishful thinking than anything else.

When the Prez was elected, I prognosticated he would finish his term, and I don't particularly think that outlook has changed. The only thing that could put a dent on that is Democrats winning both chambers of Congress in the next mid-terms (definitely not a given).

Then, *IF* the Mueller investigation does uncover some gross criminal behavior (also not a given), there would be, at least, the political power and momentum to actually go through an impeachment process.

I think, looking at this situation today, the odds are still fairly largely in Trump's favor (even if he indeed colluded). But America loves drama, so sit back and enjoy the show.

One of the few posts of this whole thread that makes sense tbh..

[Winehole23]

this is what the end game will probably look like vis-a-vis DJT: a confidential report from Mueller to Rosenstein that may or may not be forwarded to the US Congress and may or may not be publicly released.

Several people who have reviewed a portion of this evidence say that, based on what they know, they believe it is now all but inevitable that the special counsel will complete a confidential report presenting evidence that President Trump violated the law. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel’s work, would then decide on turning over that report to Congress for the House of Representatives to consider whether to instigate impeachment proceedings.

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/0...en-he-knew-it/

[boutons_deux]

Repugs aint gonna impeach or go 25th Amendment on a Repug Pres, and the shameless, spineless, gutless, less, corrupt Repugs are scared less of Trash's cult and how Trash will incite them to revolution for his "sad, unfair" impeachment.

iow, political power provided by the $Bs from oligarchy to the Repugs comes WAY before country or anything else, including impeaching Trash.