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    The only comparable event for such a thing to happen, imo would be the first 9/11. And you either believe some of the conspiracies that many were implicated and that wasn't going to happen or you don't believe there was someone who played the neglectful role that Hillary did.

    Also, if you know that someone is gunning for the highest office in the land and is on an inside track, then you're right to deliver high scrutiny, especially as warranted in the first place. Hillary's not the victim of a political witch hunt. Not at all.
    Nobody is taking the 'scrutiny' of an obvious partisan body, with a credibility in the single digits seriously. That's the problem. And they could've done this much more seriously and independently without turning the whole thing into a ing internet meme. That's when you know you're not credible and you overdid it.

    Fact is, a serious handling of that matter would've likely derailed Shillary candidacy, but it did nothing of the sort. The whole political parade was a complete failure, waste of time and money.

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    I'm speaking of it from an American civilian perspective. Hillary's actions were abhorrent. The government's actions as a whole were abhorrent.
    Absolutely, I don't like what she did or said one bit. But then you have the case of people that had the ability to do this right and really send her to the tree of woe, and completely fumbled it. And those are the guys I'm talking about the fake outrage.

    Those guys didn't care one bit, they just wanted the photo op of them grilling her. The whole thing was disgusting.

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    Nobody is taking the 'scrutiny' of an obvious partisan body, with a credibility in the single digits seriously. That's the problem. And they could've done this much more seriously and independently without turning the whole thing into a ing internet meme. That's when you know you're not credible and you overdid it.

    Fact is, a serious handling of that matter would've likely derailed Shillary candidacy, but it did nothing of the sort. The whole political parade was a complete failure, waste of time and money.
    All these congressional hearings are shows designed for political fallout, not legal fallout. These politicians don't want to create precedents of having these things legally devour individuals. You know that.

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    Absolutely, I don't like what she did or said one bit. But then you have the case of people that had the ability to do this right and really send her to the tree of woe, and completely fumbled it. And those are the guys I'm talking about the fake outrage.

    Those guys didn't care one bit, they just wanted the photo op of them grilling her. The whole thing was disgusting.
    It would have taken a mighty concerted effort from Republicans who are often a hair's difference off from Hillary's values. And it's not like they were gonna do it cos it was "the right thing to do."

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    Fact is, a serious handling of that matter would've likely derailed Shillary candidacy, but it did nothing of the sort. The whole political parade was a complete failure, waste of time and money.
    If done right, she would've been impeached. At a minimum, impeachment would've been a prominent priority.

    And who's to say it didn't derail her candidacy? If not for the rigging, Bernie would've been the nominee.

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    All these congressional hearings are shows designed for political fallout, not legal fallout. These politicians don't want to create precedents of having these things legally devour individuals. You know that.
    That's what turned something serious into a sad spectacle. That helped Shillary, it didn't bring her down. Benghazi became a cop-out and a joke after some time. You can do Congressional hearings, etc, but when you stick it for too long, it becomes obvious it's all for show. That actually negatively affects what you're trying to do. The perception becomes that the accused becomes the victim, especially when the jury is not an independent en y.

    If there would be a Dems Congress and they would be roasting Trump non-stop, you would be agreeing with me. Thankfully Mueller at least is an independent investigator.

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    It would have taken a mighty concerted effort from Republicans who are often a hair's difference off from Hillary's values. And it's not like they were gonna do it cos it was "the right thing to do."
    That's what I mean about fake outrage. Some of these Congress-critters were pretending to have the moral high ground and playing the fake outrage card in year 3, when they already fumbled it and were just playing the political game.

    The emails stuff, same thing (again, not claiming there wasn't a reason to conduct the hearings, just that it was overdone to and back). A savvy politician also knows when you did enough damage and you need to stop.

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    Absolutely, I don't like what she did or said one bit. But then you have the case of people that had the ability to do this right and really send her to the tree of woe, and completely fumbled it. And those are the guys I'm talking about the fake outrage.

    Those guys didn't care one bit, they just wanted the photo op of them grilling her. The whole thing was disgusting.
    Trey Gowdy, Jim Jordan, Martha Roby, Susan Brooks and some others were genuinely outraged, imo. But a couple of handfuls of congressmen wanting action is not how the government is designed to work.

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    That's what turned something serious into a sad spectacle. That helped Shillary, it didn't bring her down. Benghazi became a cop-out and a joke after some time. You can do Congressional hearings, etc, but when you stick it for too long, it becomes obvious it's all for show. That actually negatively affects what you're trying to do. The perception becomes that the accused becomes the victim, especially when the jury is not an independent en y.

    If there would be a Dems Congress and they would be roasting Trump non-stop, you would be agreeing with me. Thankfully Mueller at least is an independent investigator.
    You've been listening to the media too much (who spun it that way). Benghazi didn't help her at all. This cast a very bad spotlight on her. If she had just done her token job straight, she was all set to be easily voted into the presidency and "make history." It saddens me that America can be that non-critical in the face of a lack of serious drama; but that is the truth.

    I think "show" is a loaded word. Obviously, you know what it means to Dem hacks. But to everyone else, they have legit opinions about Benghazi regardless of the politicization.

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    That's what I mean about fake outrage. Some of these Congress-critters were pretending to have the moral high ground and playing the fake outrage card in year 3, when they already fumbled it and were just playing the political game.

    The emails stuff, same thing (again, not claiming there wasn't a reason to conduct the hearings, just that it was overdone to and back). A savvy politician also knows when you did enough damage and you need to stop.
    Perhaps; but wikileaks and the FBI findings reignited that fire all the same.

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    You've been listening to the media too much (who spun it that way). Benghazi didn't help her at all. This cast a very bad spotlight on her. If she had just done her token job straight, she was all set to be easily voted into the presidency and "make history." It saddens me that America can be that non-critical in the face of a lack of serious drama; but that is the truth.

    I think "show" is a loaded word. Obviously, you know what it means to Dem hacks. But to everyone else, they have legit opinions about Benghazi regardless of the politicization.
    Scapegoating to the media is the easy way out. The reality is that, as much as it pains me to say it, she was actually a fairly successful candidate. She actually convinced more people than Trump to vote for her, when the reality is that she should've been toast a long time ago.

    That's real, and pathetic at the same time. And some of these people are actually responsible for that, which is what really annoys me.

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    Scapegoating to the media is the easy way out. The reality is that, as much as it pains me to say it, she was actually a fairly successful candidate. She actually convinced more people than Trump to vote for her, when the reality is that she should've been toast a long time ago.

    That's real, and pathetic at the same time. And some of these people are actually responsible for that, which is what really annoys me.
    No scapegoating. The media is a Democrat wing. People get that; I don't know what your excuse is, tbh.

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    Scapegoating to the media is the easy way out. The reality is that, as much as it pains me to say it, she was actually a fairly successful candidate. She actually convinced more people than Trump to vote for her, when the reality is that she should've been toast a long time ago.

    That's real, and pathetic at the same time. And some of these people are actually responsible for that, which is what really annoys me.
    I have my doubts that those numbers are real. Electronic voting is a sham, ballot box stuffing is reality in some places, illegals voting is a thing. You can't have an insecure system and expect it to not be manipulated.

    It does frustrate me either way though. I do think that in most the larger cities, people were voting for Hillary by big margins, cheating aside.

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    Nobody is saying the media is perfect, independent and unbiased. But there's ample selection if you're even inclined to look at different views on a given subject.

    Also, you don't speak for 'people' and neither do I. But we know 'people' went out and gave more votes to Shillary than Trump. And I don't point this out to trash Trump (a legitimate president) or highlight Shillary. I point it out because that's what happened, is measurable and thus real.

    Conspiracies are just that, meaningless rumors which carry no weight unless they're proven to be true. You have to skeptic of anything without actual evidence, and you have to also be aware of the difference between isolated cases and massive cases.

    I know there's plenty of people that 'want to believe' (for whatever reason), but that doesn't make reality any less real and the alternate reality any more than fantasy.

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    I have my doubts that those numbers are real.
    lol another conspiracy

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    lol another conspiracy
    I don't know why that's funny. Apparently any mentions of foul play by your puppet masters triggers you though.

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    Nobody is saying the media is perfect, independent and unbiased. But there's ample selection if you're even inclined to look at different views on a given subject.

    Also, you don't speak for 'people' and neither do I. But we know 'people' went out and gave more votes to Shillary than Trump. And I don't point this out to trash Trump (a legitimate president) or highlight Shillary. I point it out because that's what happened, is measurable and thus real.

    Conspiracies are just that, meaningless rumors which carry no weight unless they're proven to be true. You have to skeptic of anything without actual evidence, and you have to also be aware of the difference between isolated cases and massive cases.

    I know there's plenty of people that 'want to believe' (for whatever reason), but that doesn't make reality any less real and the alternate reality any more than fantasy.
    The media is corporate driven. Their job isn't to speak to truth; it's to sell the narratives that suits their interests.

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    I don't know why that's funny. Apparently any mentions of foul play by your puppet masters triggers you though.
    It's funny because you declare a conspiracy multiple times a day here.

    Anything that doesn't correspond with your worldview just has to be the result of some nefarious plot or another.

    lol derp

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    I don't know why that's funny. Apparently any mentions of foul play by your puppet masters triggers you though.
    for as much as trump followers get from the left it's funny because the left is way worse about bowing down to their false idols. sad sad sad. look up to no man!

    The media is corporate driven. Their job isn't to speak to truth; it's to sell the narratives that suits their interests.
    exactly. first and foremost they are realityTV which means strictly entertainment and no actual news converage. the MSM!

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    It's funny because you declare a conspiracy multiple times a day here.

    Anything that doesn't correspond with your worldview just has to be the result of some nefarious plot or another.

    lol derp
    harping about russia after almost 2 yrs... whatup conspiracy theorist!?

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    for as much as trump followers get from the left it's funny because the left is way worse about bowing down to their false idols. sad sad sad. look up to no man!



    exactly. first and foremost they are realityTV which means strictly entertainment and no actual news converage. the MSM!
    Where do you get your news?

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    Where do you get your news?
    not from you. where do you buy your groceries?

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    It's funny because you declare a conspiracy multiple times a day here.

    Anything that doesn't correspond with your worldview just has to be the result of some nefarious plot or another.

    lol derp
    People in positions of trust misuse their power all the time. You are continuing with your mundane outlooks.

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    not from you. where do you buy your groceries?
    HEB.

    Where do you get your news?

    People in positions of trust misuse their power all the time. You are continuing with your mundane outlooks.
    Anything that doesn't correspond with your worldview just has to be the result of some nefarious plot or another.

    That's as lazy and mundane as it gets.

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    Where do you get your news?
    where do you get your hair cut at? Yes or no!

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