Manu Ginobili Expected Back For A 17th Season

[SASdynasty!]

6 pts 2 rebs 3 asts. 15min/game

On 39%

[Play Boban]

On 39%

From 3.

[gambit1990]

[outmap]

Him, Dirk and Vince are gonna be missed when they retire.

In the Philippines, we call their game " o Ball".

[cutewizard]

I never meant to say that it applies with all teams but only to emphasize the reason Popovich brought Manu off the bench was because of his incredible basketball instincts. We all know of the stories of Popovich going crazy over Manu's decision making but ultimately understood you just have to let loose the beast. I am not trying to minimize Manu's ability as a basketball player but the fact that he benefitted from a system built mainly around "Duncan" and then "Duncan and Parker" allowing him to go in and make his own decisions on the fly while Parker's play was more predicated to running the system around offense. We all see plays that Parker ran, it seemed like a playbook on rewind while Ginobili had a few of those, he largely got to do whatever he wanted on the floor. Compliments to Ginobili and everyone else making it work too.

If your coaching a team and have 1.5 days to game plan, you have countless tapes of Parker's plays while you have a bunch of rec center style matador "running with the bull style" plays with Ginobili. It was just how things were set up. Not making any excuses other than the fact Parker was bound to struggle more and thats why we had to rely more on Ginobili. Ginobili was our closer for a reason.

Tony was Yang, Manu was Yin......

Tony was Order, Manu was Chaos.....

And Duncan was the Balance, the World Tree.

Twas a perfect combination.

[cutewizard]

Not so. Once Parker came into his prime, teams had to guard him with a small forward that could D because Parker was too quick for any point guard or even two guard. There was a time when Parker drew the toughest perimeter defenders not on the Spurs roster. And he was still a dominant player. But that's not to bad mouth Manu. Manu has always confounded defenses, just like Parker. These two never got near their due. People talk about super teams, but the original super team was Duncan, Parker, and Manu. People gloss over that and assume it was Miami (which I guess is possible if you assume super teams are where players assemble them, not GMs).

Again, I'll never get the Manu v. Parker debates. Both were asked to do different things at different points in their careers and both played different positions. They both have had HOF careers and they both were grossly underrated for what they brought. I guess Spurs fans need something to talk about until October (or at least until fubol americano starts).

Mj, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc

[cutewizard]

Him, Dirk and Vince are gonna be missed when they retire.

In the Philippines, we call their game " o Ball".

Nami miss ko si El Presidente

Sya pinaka first idol ko

[outmap]

Nami miss ko si El Presidente

Sya pinaka first idol ko

Didn't get to watch El Presidente, I was too young back then.
I followed "Captain Lionheart and The Aerial Voyager" when I was kid.

[cd98]

Mj, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc

Well you could add Ron Harper. But Warriors only have to guard 3 of those guys. Jordan and Pippen being two point scorers, I just don’t see how they generate enough points to consistently out score Warrior three point shooting. Plus Warriors would stretch that Bulls defense. I can’t say that Bulls wouldn’t beat Warriors, I mean Houston almost did and they aren’t the Bulls. But Warriors have a historically great offensive team and with that many scorers surrounding him, KD can become almost unguardable.

[cd98]

Mj, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc

Oh you mean super teams. Wrong thread. That was a super team, too a la Spurs, I guess, though The Bulls Rodman was more role player that could rebound. I do think Manu and Toni were similar.

[TheGreatYacht]

He dieded yet?

[BillMc]

I am a huge Manu fan. But make a decision already. Or if one's been made, announce it.

[rjv]

technically, he doesn't have to announce anything as he is in the 2nd year of his contract. he could just show up for training camp like everyone else.

[SpursDynasty85]

Well you could add Ron Harper. But Warriors only have to guard 3 of those guys. Jordan and Pippen being two point scorers, I just don’t see how they generate enough points to consistently out score Warrior three point shooting. Plus Warriors would stretch that Bulls defense. I can’t say that Bulls wouldn’t beat Warriors, I mean Houston almost did and they aren’t the Bulls. But Warriors have a historically great offensive team and with that many scorers surrounding him, KD can become almost unguardable.

Well thinking about this in the 90's there were far fewer possessions and Ron Harper really took a back seat once he got to Chicago. Look at his stats he averaged 20PPG+ right up until he joined Chicago and decided to purely play defense. If they had a more free flowing and high octane offense (benefits of the defense rule changes) I'm sure Harper would've been a deadly 4th option on offense.

[K...]

So, he comes back from vacation and stay starts pitching sleep? This dude isn't coming back, he's going to become an annoying sales rep for garbage psudeo health products and high interest loans.

[cd98]

Well thinking about this in the 90's there were far fewer possessions and Ron Harper really took a back seat once he got to Chicago. Look at his stats he averaged 20PPG+ right up until he joined Chicago and decided to purely play defense. If they had a more free flowing and high octane offense (benefits of the defense rule changes) I'm sure Harper would've been a deadly 4th option on offense.

Harper was also coming off an ACL tear, which in the 90s was bad news for a player's career. Now it just means they are out 8-9 months. Back then, it was close to career ending. Players were never the same.

[SpursDynasty85]

Harper was also coming off an ACL tear, which in the 90s was bad news for a player's career. Now it just means they are out 8-9 months. Back then, it was close to career ending. Players were never the same.

Ahh. Didn't know that. Now adays players are back in less than 5 months it seems.

[boutons_deux]

There was a study some years ago on longevity. Researchers visited many countries, queried the oldest members, looking for parameters that correlated with longevity.

After looking at a huge variety diet contents, alcohol, exercise or lack of, weather, al ude, water proximity, etc, etc,

the only variable that was common to all the oldies was a "sufficient" amount of quality sleep their entire lives, not just night sleep, but daytime napping.

Another sleep angle:

Some California kids were complaining to Maharishi that TM didn't seem to make any difference, except they were sleeping better, to which Maharishi said something like "You're sleeping is improved because TM is givin you improved waking hours"

[tonight...you]

There was a study some years ago on longevity. Researchers visited many countries, queried the oldest members, looking for parameters that correlated with longevity.

After looking at a huge variety diet contents, alcohol, exercise or lack of, weather, al ude, water proximity, etc, etc,

the only variable that was common to all the oldies was a "sufficient" amount of quality sleep their entire lives, not just night sleep, but daytime napping.

Another sleep angle:

Some California kids were complaining to Maharishi that TM didn't seem to make any difference, except they were sleeping better, to which Maharishi said something like "You're sleeping is improved because TM is givin you improved waking hours"

Damn... I've been an insomniac since I was 13.
I won't make it to 50.

[BackHome]

That is OK with me I really don't want to have to wear diapers in my golden years.

[Dex]

technically, he doesn't have to announce anything as he is in the 2nd year of his contract. he could just show up for training camp like everyone else.

Excellent point. Really, he only needs to make an announcement if he DOES plan to retire. Otherwise, like you said, he just needs to show up.

In fact, it almost seems like it would be out of character for Manu to put out a "Hey, I'm NOT retiring!" announcement...so this may actually be the most likely scenario at this point.

[diego]

Excellent point. Really, he only needs to make an announcement if he DOES plan to retire. Otherwise, like you said, he just needs to show up.

In fact, it almost seems like it would be out of character for Manu to put out a "Hey, I'm NOT retiring!" announcement...so this may actually be the most likely scenario at this point.

In past seasons without a contract he announced he was playing late July (I think the latest was 26 July), I'm pretty sure the silence means he'll be back because the contract is already there and he would have announced they retirement at the end of July..

[Dverde]

Is he back from his Walter Mitty trip? Seems like an announcement should have been made by now.

[DAF86]

If he retires, of course he will anounce it. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if he already told Pop he will play next season, but didn't feel like he needed to anounce it publicly.

I don't think Manu is still in doubt about what he wants to do; and if he knows what he wants to do, he definitely already told the Spurs his plans.

tbh. I don't know why folks are so impatient with this.

[Maj_G]

got to love Manu!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EWIJf7Liso