Dude, are you even a Spurs fan? How can you be a Spurs fan and still not understand just how great Manu was?
Tier 1: Jordan
Tier 2: Bryant, Wade, Harden. Bryant had the worst peak of the 3 (4 if you include McGrady, who was more of an SF that played more SG at his peak), but wins on longevity.
Tier 3: Drexler, Ginobili, Miller, Allen
I can't put West or even Gervin into context, but the former was a combo guard anyway, as was Iverson.
Harden is Ginobili minus the defense, clutchness and compe ive spirit.
The only thing keeping Manu behind on this ranking is NBA fans never seeing Manu lead his own team.
Only two SG's that I have seen are clearly better than Manu are MJ and Kobe.
Then, I probably rank Wade over Manu, even though he never really learned to shoot.
And that's it, Manu comes right after.
Guys like West, Drexler, etc. I've never seen play, so I can't compare.
Drexler was great
People keep saying MJ was better cuz killer instinct herp derp and the 92 Finals
But MJ had Scottie.
Clyde didn't have a Pippen. Porter was good but he was no Pippen
Mike also had the referees in his pocket, especially in game 1 of those finals.
Before Stern decided it was time to protect MJ in 90, Drexler would routinely destroy him
Manu's 05 Finals performance was top ten (and he didn't even get finals mvp for it). Dude has always been unsung.
Harden is one of the greatest regular season offensive players in league history and has carried an extremely heavy minutes/usage load since being traded to the Rockets.
I seriously doubt Ginobili could have ever done that. I'm skeptical he could have even carried a typical load for a player of his caliber. Doing so likely would have had an adverse effect on his efficiency and other metrics.
Wade was inarguably in another class from Ginobili and his sub par range shooting didn't matter nearly as much as it would now when he was in his prime. Stop trying to apply post '14 to the past.
You can't? Blacks tend to be tribal, bro.
What makes you skeptical? What he did in the '04 Olympics, the entire '05 playoffs, his 20-5-5 season coming off the bench. Even what he did later on in his career when he was asked to carry the load in the second half of the 2011 season. You can question if it would've shortened his career (certainly still wouldn't be playing into his 40s) but to question his ability to actually carry a heavy load as an undisputed #1 during his prime is dumb.
You're basically holding the fact that he was the ultimate team guy by accepting a 6th man role, even though he was astronomically better than every other two guard that started over him, against him. Also the fact that he had the great Timothy Theodore Duncan and the great William Anthony Parker as teammates. If Harden stays in OKC in alongside Durant and Westbrook he probably ends up being just as good but his usage and numbers dip.
He is a top 3 Miami Heat player of all time.
His reckless style and injury prone nature. Griffin was something like a big man version of him, except he had the workload commensurate with a player of his stature and predictably he's already breaking down in his late 20s.
The Olympics are a small sample size and the other 2 examples he barely eclipsed 30 mpg and followed them up by immediately being injured afterwards. I don't think he had it in him to log around 36-38 mpg, for 75-80 games, with a usage rate of 30-35%, for 5-10 years.
Brandon Jennings for president, tbh.
......"Manu is Manu"
He’s an inefficient volume chucker... by definition that is what they do.
Some people gonna hate regardless.
Left handed brothers
What other high usage player are you referring to during his career? Carmelo? Bad example when Carmelo literally has proven he makes teams worse.
#1 option with 2 other #1 options supporting (Duncan and Parker). Tough to argue because I know at peak and in certain series Manu could outplay everyone in spurts but he's never had the NBA career like Iverson, Ray Allen, and even Reggie Miller have. It would've been nice to see Manu lead a team with no international commitment. But he didn't. He got to replay against bench players and finish games with TP and Duncan his whole career.
I know he was great but were measuring careers. These other guys were #1 alphas and did fairly well in the playoffs.
Manu could beat these guys in the playoffs sure, but if Reggie and Ray played with TP and TD don't you think they would win championships too? I as a Spurs fan know how good Manu is of course (could beat anyone on any given night) but imo the other two were phenomenal as well and had many more years doing more leg work to carry their teams as the lone star player and both were more durable throughout their NBA careers as well. It's just hard to argue that Manu was clearly better is what I'm saying.
Doesn't matter if he was inefficient. He was extremely effective on the court. I too hated the way he pl layed and hated on him while he played but Iverson was a winner, and you could definitely build a team around him and dominate as well.
Lol every day you can learn new things, now Ray Allen is like Jordan/Kobe level wise...
Also Iguanada is a balding sore loser.
Brandon trying to get picked up by spurs cause we love guards
I agree AI is up their but he was notorious for gambling on D. He'd compromise the team D by going for steals. He may have 2 steals in a game but miss another 3 or 4 times in the same ae.
Webber was traded to Philly to get AI some help. Along with Korver, Iguodala and Dalembert, Philadelphia was suppossed to be one of the best teams in the East. Instead, they never did . Webber then went on to say that Iverson "dribbled way too much and didn't know how to play real basketball". Which is true.
Last edited by DAF86; 08-19-2018 at 02:53 AM.
First of all, we are not meassuring careers, we are just analyzing who was better. To me, and to everyother Spur fan that realizes just how great Ginobili trully was, is clear that Manu was better than one dimensional players such as AI, Allen and Miller.
But if you want to measure careers, Manu has all of them beat all the same. Championships of all kinds as top 1, 1B, 2nd and 3rd option vs 0 combined championships as anything other than a role player. That's a huge ing advantage, tbh.
As a fan, I liked watching AI. Serious basketball analysts can't rank 8-27 no-discipline on defense Iverson high, though.
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