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    At least try to have a good take

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    Iverson is a sentimental favorite with fans, but he's not in Manu's league. Manu was much more efficient, a better defender, a better shooter, made better decisions, a better rebounder. Iverson's effort was admirable, but he sabotaged himself by refusing to be a PG, & causing every back court he was a part of to be undersized and at a disadvantage. He had lots of steals (but so does Manu), but took too many risky chances on D, could easily be posted up, and was at a disadvantage on almost every defensive switch. Iverson can't even claim a career ORtg higher than his career DRtg, which is extremely rare for all time great players.

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    AI was a league MVP put some respect on that name. He lead his team to the Finals in '01. I doubt prime Manu does the same if you had them switch places.

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    Iverson at his very peak was pound for pound the most athletic freak the league saw. Crazy stamina and hopped around like a grasshopper. Klay is underrated as well. Klay always kills the Spurs and dude scored 39 points in one quarter. Clutchtime Manu is as good as anyone minus Kobe and Jordan at their peaks too. But Manu only played that way around 28-30 mpg at most and half of that against bench players. It's different if he carries whole franchises for seasons at a time but he didn't. Again 04 Argentina was amazing and fortunate at the same time. Manu should get a lot of credit but that was a TEAM win not a pure Manu dominated win. Manu should be considered top 10 for sure. Pushing it with the top 5 but definitely shouldn't argue it is definitive over players like, Clyde, Iverson, Allen, Miller, .. would take Manu over Vince though. Tmac is a SF I think. Also hard to gauge older players like earl the pearl, Jerry west,and Sam Jones.. Chris Mullin was pretty darn good too but yes I'll take Manu over him too. Klay, Manu, and Harden for now hover around the 7-10 mark. Edit: Gotta Add George Gervin to the mix. Those stats for the late 70's and 80's are very impressive.
    Very fair assessment.
    Top 5 is a very tough/exclusive club.
    For example, since i brought up Worthy My SF list (not counting Elgin who I never saw)

    1. LeBron
    2. Bird
    3. KD

    Is my top 3 ...
    after that, Worthy, Pippen, McGrady, Pierce, Nique, English, Mullin all have a case ... specially the first 4. And SF is not as deep as SG which has become immensely more compe ive post, 2000.

    Other SG's not mentioned above: Mitch Richmond (unless I missed it)

    Point is even if Manu just misses the Top 5 its not a slight to him at all.
    HE is a great top 10 SG ... just not top 5.

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    AI was a league MVP put some respect on that name. He lead his team to the Finals in '01. I doubt prime Manu does the same if you had them switch places.
    I doubt AI could ever lead a bunch of Argentines to an Olympic Gold Medal. I like AI-- especially his effort & passion-- but he just doesn't have the efficiency or effectiveness of Manu.

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    Well Manu leads a team of NBA role players and unknown over an US Olympic team with NBA stars like Tim Duncan, AI, Lebron, Camelo, RJ, Odom. What did AI, Reggie and Ray did that compares to this feat?
    Nothing, but hurst their feilnenz.

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    They didn't even need Kobe to win. Team USA beat the crap out of Argentina in '03 when they were qualifying for the Olympics. What happened was the next year several of the key players that were on the '03 team decided not to play. Had they decided to play than Team USA would have easily won the Gold in '04.
    That team had the best PF to ever play the game, AI, how those 2 couldnt beat Manu and a buncha scrubs?

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    Also whats Wade biggest accomplishment? Winning a ring in a ty Eastern Conference with foodstamps?
    He´s been trash for the last 5 years, getting carried by Lebron.
    Lol these monkeyballer fans, remembering that donkey running and making one alley oop and he was top 3!

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    Honestly dude I don't give a . Manu is your god and he comes from your third world hole country. Like I said before you overrate him in here. Also Argentina beat some of the less talented US teams of all time. Good for them. Also I do now remember the 8 point loss. In that game from what I recall the coaching staff o team USA wasn't trying to win that game but when they took Argentina seriously they creamed them just like they did in '08,'12,'16.
    Why are you such a bitter Manu hater son?

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    Also whats Wade biggest accomplishment? Winning a ring in a ty Eastern Conference with foodstamps?
    He´s been trash for the last 5 years, getting carried by Lebron.
    Lol these monkeyballer fans, remembering that donkey running and making one alley oop and he was top 3!
    Wow a Manu is butt hurt that Wade is better than Manu. No way in Manu beats the Mavs in '06 with a washed up Shaq like Wade did. he couldn't beat them with a prime Duncan.

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    Why are you such a bitter Manu hater son?
    Not a hater I just don't respect Manu suckers like you. Like I said before I understand why you worship him since he's the greatest thing to come out of your third world hole country. Just being real here in the states Manu is not a big deal. People would straight up laugh in your face if you told them on the streets Manu is a top 3 SG or top 5 of all time.

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    Not a hater I just don't respect Manu suckers like you. Like I said before I understand why you worship him since he's the greatest thing to come out of your third world hole country. Just being real here in the states Manu is not a big deal. People would straight up laugh in your face if you told them on the streets Manu is a top 3 SG or top 5 of all time.
    Sure you aren't.

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    Tmac during his prime years had seasons where he played 40 minutes a night while Manu only had 2 seasons where he played 30 or more minutes. Of course Tmac's career ended earlier than Manu's simply because Tmac was carrying a bigger load than Manu since he was the number 1 guy on his team. Put Tmac with Duncan and his career is extended by several years and the Spurs win more les. Also Tracy took a lot more physical abuse than Manu did which accelerated the age and decline of his body. Keep in mind Tmac's prime started in '00 and the league didn't start to change the rules to favor perimeter players until '05. I saw plenty of games where Tmac got knocked out him and dealt with dirty flagrant fouls on the regular which lead to him having back problems. Manu proving like always to be pretty stupid.
    Show me one play where tmac got the knocked out of him, one. It happened a lot and ruined his career, must be tons of vids

    I dont know what's worse, comparing a soft loser like tmac to a guy that lived in the paint like manu, or implying Iverson deserved his MVP award over Duncan ...

    And at 20 yr old mcgrady being prime, but 22 year old Wade was too young

    You keep moving the goalposts and you're going to lose the field

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    Sure you aren't.
    I'm a hater of his fans but I have never hated the player. :0 You guys are up there with the Kobe s when it comes to stupidity and hence why you responded because you could let it go that I insulted your god.

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    Why are you such a bitter Manu hater son?

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    Wow a Manu is butt hurt that Wade is better than Manu. No way in Manu beats the Mavs in '06 with a washed up Shaq like Wade did. he couldn't beat them with a prime Duncan.
    Well do ented that tim was hurt in 06, but this is coming from the guy who is propping up tracy "can't get out of the first round with an all NBA center" mcgrady???


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    I'm a hater of his fans but I have never hated the player. :0 You guys are up there with the Kobe s when it comes to stupidity and hence why you responded because you could let it go that I insulted your god.
    Seriously son, where is this hate coming from? A Spurs fan shouldn't get this mad at people talking up a Spurs player.

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    Show me one play where tmac got the knocked out of him, one. It happened a lot and ruined his career, must be tons of vids

    I dont know what's worse, comparing a soft loser like tmac to a guy that lived in the paint like manu, or implying Iverson deserved his MVP award over Duncan ...

    And at 20 yr old mcgrady being prime, but 22 year old Wade was too young

    You keep moving the goalposts and you're going to lose the field
    So many lies in this post but then again that's what Manu s are great at which is making up lies. I never said AI deserved the MVP over Duncan. Pretty stupid to make up like that since "I just said AI was the MVP." How does that phrase imply that AI deserved the MVP over Duncan? Should I have said AI was the fake MVP? Shows you are pretty re ed and overreacted emotionally because I dissed your god Manu. I said Tmac's prime started in '00 and he was actually 21 and not 20 like you said. Players primes tend to start earlier when they go straight from hschool to the NBA. McgGady was in his fourth year in the league back then. Usually your prime starts around your 4th year. Wade was coming off his rookie year when he played in '04 so yes at the age off 22 he would not be in his prime since he was coming off of his first season. Like I said before you can't be that stupid to believe '04 Wade was on the same level as '07 Wade.

    Also here is a clip of dirty foul against Tmac down below. I remember this series very well since the Hornets are my home teams. In this series the Hornets did a lot of dirty fouls against Tmac. They even had a scrub by the name of Robert Traylor who was round 290-300 pound just sub into the game to foul and knock the out of Tracy hard. During the regular season in one of the games Traylor fouled Tracy so hard that he ended up putting him on a stretcher due to Tracy falling hard literally on his back.

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    Well do ented that tim was hurt in 06, but this is coming from the guy who is propping up tracy "can't get out of the first round with an all NBA center" mcgrady???

    Tim had the best series of his career statistically against the Mavs in '06. He was not hurt in that series. By the time that series started he was healed up from the plantar fasciitis that had bothered him the whole entire year. Nice try Manu . Try harder next time.

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    Wow a Manu is butt hurt that Wade is better than Manu. No way in Manu beats the Mavs in '06 with a washed up Shaq like Wade did. he couldn't beat them with a prime Duncan.
    Better at what? getting the same Fts than the whole Dallas team?
    At this point you are just a re that wants to involve other teams to make Dwhistle look better, so according to your standards Wade lost vs Mavs in 2011 and Dirk was old then.
    Wade had Lebron and Bosh, still lost, is that Dallas team the most dangerous team ever because they beat Lebron and Wade aka the best eva?

    Also you dont talk about his playing, DaWhistle defense, playmaking, BB IQ are utter , you are just a kid having a hard on over a garbage player because he dunked the ball and had a highlight reel 12 years ago.
    Manu is much better than this hack at age 40, while your Owl boy has been over the last 5 years so he was done at age 30.

    Funny how bandwagoners like you ditch Manu accomplishments in Europe, NT and NBA but take seriously a guy that played in a ty conference winning 2 of his 3 rings because refs said so.
    So again whats his accomplishment? having flashy dunks 12 years ago?

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    Better at what? getting the same Fts than the whole Dallas team?
    At this point you are just a re that wants to involve other teams to make Dwhistle look better, so according to your standards Wade lost vs Mavs in 2011 and Dirk was old then.
    Wade had Lebron and Bosh, still lost, is that Dallas team the most dangerous team ever because they beat Lebron and Wade aka the best eva?

    Also you dont talk about his playing, DaWhistle defense, playmaking, BB IQ are utter , you are just a kid having a hard on over a garbage player because he dunked the ball and had a highlight reel 12 years ago.
    Manu is much better than this hack at age 40, while your Owl boy has been over the last 5 years so he was done at age 30.

    Funny how bandwagoners like you ditch Manu accomplishments in Europe, NT and NBA but take seriously a guy that played in a ty conference winning 2 of his 3 rings because refs said so.
    So again whats his accomplishment? having flashy dunks 12 years ago?
    Wow overreaction by the Manu . Wade has made 8 all-nba teams and twice made the all-nba first team which is something Manu has never done. He's also made 3 all nba defensive teams which is another thing Manu has never done. Wade has 12 all-star game appearances versus Manu making only 2 all-star games. It's very clear who is the better player. Obviously you are re ed and want to overvalue Manu's international achievements and make them equal or better than Wade's NBA achievement which is pretty faulty. Also Dirk was still in his prime in 2011 so he wasn't old but at the tail end of his prime. Also Wade played great in that '11 Finals series he was averaging nearly 27 points on 54 percent shooting-7 rebounds-5.2 assists-1.5 blocks-1.5 steals. The reason the Heat lost that series is because Lebron choked which is one of the many reasons why people don't consider him the goat.I want to say you can't be that stupid but you really are.

    It's too bad Duncan could not have played with a player of Wade's caliber in his prime. If he was able to then the Spurs would have won back to back and even more les.

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    Wow overreaction by the Manu . Wade has made 8 all-nba teams and twice made the all-nba first team which is something Manu has never done. He's also made 3 all nba defensive teams which is another thing Manu has never done. Wade has 12 all-star game appearances versus Manu making only 2 all-star games. It's very clear who is the better player. Obviously you are re ed and want to overvalue Manu's international achievements and make them equal or better than Wade's NBA achievement which is pretty faulty. Also Dirk was still in his prime in 2011 so he wasn't old but at the tail end of his prime. Also Wade played great in that '11 Finals series he was averaging nearly 27 points on 54 percent shooting-7 rebounds-5.2 assists-1.5 blocks-1.5 steals. The reason the Heat lost that series is because Lebron choked which is one of the many reasons why people don't consider him the goat.I want to say you can't be that stupid but you really are.

    It's too bad Duncan could not have played with a player of Wade's caliber in his prime. If he was able to then the Spurs would have won back to back and even more les.
    Lol confusing popularity contests with skills, Dwert was a multiple defensive player of the year and 8 time All Star too... popularity aka greatness for stupid baboons.
    How about stats? oh no that would be too much for a fantasy league fatso like you.

    Whistle chocked in 2011 because he didnt get his 25 FT per game, dig it?

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    Tough to put him in top 5 all time b/c spending his career on the bench really decreased his stats. To me, he is.

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    manu top 3 sg on my “space jam” team. (single game where the outcome determines fate of earth)

    mj, kobe, manu

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    Manu made his teammates better. Tmac was a chucker who couldn't get out of the first round. Iversons success was because of Larry Brown and his chuckcentric system and a historically horrible Eastern conference. Wade was his closest comparison.

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    Very fair assessment.
    Top 5 is a very tough/exclusive club.
    For example, since i brought up Worthy My SF list (not counting Elgin who I never saw)

    1. LeBron
    2. Bird
    3. KD

    Is my top 3 ...
    after that, Worthy, Pippen, McGrady, Pierce, Nique, English, Mullin all have a case ... specially the first 4. And SF is not as deep as SG which has become immensely more compe ive post, 2000.

    Other SG's not mentioned above: Mitch Richmond (unless I missed it)

    Point is even if Manu just misses the Top 5 its not a slight to him at all.
    HE is a great top 10 SG ... just not top 5.
    Ever hear of Julius Erving?

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