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Larry Bird with his metaphysicall skills is arguably number 9ne in that list.......
Manu is in a class of his own because of his passing (making teammates better) and his ap ude to weave controlled chaos.
Larry Bird with his metaphysicall skills is arguably number 9ne in that list.......
damn Manu every time you respond you mange to come across more idiotic than your previous post. Dwight made all of his all-star appearances from '07-'14. During that time period he was a legit all-star. Name me a year during that span that he didn't deserve to go to an all-star game or win DPOY or be on an all-nba team? I challenge you to bring up one year where he didn't deserve those accolades. Also do the same for Wade? The truth is the majority of those guys who win these awards are legit. Every now and then you have exceptions with guys like Draymond who are not deserving of these accolades but for most part the right people get picked of all-star games, all-nba teams. Fact is Manu did poorly on those metrics and it shows he's not as great as you make him out to be and that's why you have to resort to bringing up his international achievements to make up for his lack of NBA accolades.
Wade was awesome in 2011. If Lebron doesn't have the worst series of his career than Wade would have won finals MVP in 2011.
Would love to see D-Wheelchair blocking Harden and Durant at age 40 like Manu, also he was 37 when he was dunking leaving Gay Ray and Wheelchair breathing smoke.
Wade was awesome in 2011. If Lebron doesn't have the worst series of his career than Wade would have won finals MVP in 2011.
You are the one getting more and more re ed citing All Star as something legit, you look like a 12 year old fat kid.
Go see a doctor, lol putting an overrated scrub like Wade over Manu.
nothing like that though, closing out game 3 on the road on the way to a championship.
I havent said once in this thread that manu should be top 5 or 10 or whatever. I said his role makes it impossible to compare his stats and accolades, but he has more legendary moments and moves than most other players consider clearly better than him and that the only players that beat him in that regard are MJ and kobe. I dont care one bit if someone considers ray allen or reggie miller or mcgrady better (even if I dont), but you are the one saying Im lying when you blatantly lied about a second game being played and resorted to cheap excuses about "wasnt trying to win that game" and mike freaking bibby. If you want to complain about not having players available, Argentina fans can do the same. And if you want to accuse someone of lying, you can at least back your up the way I have.
And for the record, I cant compare manu and tmac age 21 to 29 who played more minutes because FIBA and thats more effort than im willing to put into this. but age 25 to 29, excluding playoffs which is obvioulsy a big advantage in manu's favor, the difference is 1300 minutes, 260 per season (Manu played more games with less minutes and 8% less usage). In that range manu beats tmac on TS, BPM, WS, VORP, macgrady has a better PER. Could Manu do Mcgrady's role? Maybe if he took less shots at the rim and played less defense like tmac, and his body broke down at age 30 like tmac, he could have, certainly not impossible. Could Mcgrady do Manu's? Not a given either, not by a long shot, and Im not referring to accepting the bench, Im talking about closing out playoff games with clutch shooting, hard drives, finding the shooters, clutch blocks, charges, steals, and all the other things Manu did time and time again that mcgrady never really did on any of his teams, his career highlight is 13 in 35. whatever floats your boat, but they are in no way incomparable and I absolutely disagree that mcgrady could do what manu did for the spurs. Maybe they are better with him all the same, but his style was the an hesis of the duncan spurs on both ends of the court in my opinion, and I think bruce bowen would agree.
Top 3 is pretty clear, imo. #1 Jordan is on his own level. One step down you have Bryant who is on his own level. One step down you have Wade who is on his own level. Then one step down you've got like 7 guys on pretty much the same level. Manu is among them. So perhaps an argument can be made that he's top 5, but it's more fair to say he's top 10. Klay will eventually end up in the big group, and Harden will probably end up in top 4.
Sure but by the time I saw him he was not the afro dunking machine and was very good not great. But sure he belongs... I just don't judge guys I barely saw play. Most of Dr J I saw was was in 83 Finals when Sixers kicked our ass. he played well but Moses did the heavy lifting...
On your list he is no lower than 4/5 depending on where you put Wilkins.
Btw, Elgin Baylor was an athletic beast in his (much less athletic) era. I think he would be a top player in any era, but he was essentially an undersized SF. Top 10-15 prolly.
So tell me, now that you cant talk about Wade aging since hes been utter for at least 5 years, whats the part that makes him better? because when you have a career you must analyze it as a whole, not just the early years to try to fit your weird narrative.
What makes him standout? the monkeyballing? his stupid 3 point percentage? because you are forgetting for sure the extreme flopping this turd made all over his career,
Also every time he is losing acts like he is injured, what a dumb .
I would say...
1. MJ
2. KB
3. Jerry West
4. AI
5. Harden (if his career continues like this)
6. Wade
7. Drexler
8. Iceman
9. Maravich
10. Manu Ginobili
11. Reggie Miller
12. Ray Allen
I think the bottom half is pretty much on the same level. It's up to the personal taste to change the ranks.
Last edited by Doctor J; 08-21-2018 at 03:26 AM.
Ginobili is a top 3 winner of all time when it comes to shooting guards (same as tony with point guards). He really doesn't care about his place on any stupid rankings and that's what makes him such a unique player. Who cares where other losers have him ranked. The man won 4 rings, 2 Italian League les, an Olympic Gold medal for freaking Argentina which to me is always the most impressive accolade he ever accomplished seeing as only USA and Russia are the ONLY two countries to ever win a Gold medal in basketball. So let people whine and and look stupid by saying, "oh Harden is better" even though Harden is Malone level of a choker in the playoffs or "he isn't as good as AI" who never won . Ginobili was the heart and soul of the team during our dominant run and there's no other shooting guard (short of MJ) I would rather have on the Spurs. We lived by the Ginobili (2005, 2014) and we died by the Ginobili (2006, 2013). No regrets brah
u mention a pos with a guy who has proven he can win without coatriding duncan...what has that other person u mention won by himself?
Its pretty embarrassing, now people is putting Harden like a top all time player when truth is he is a clown who spent 9 of his 10 seasons jumping into other players to draw cheap fouls, no defense, extreme ball hogging and a terrible playoff performer.
But hey he has his numbers in the regular season, so he is one of the best ever.
Wade's number has been better than Manu's the last 5 years. Even as a washed up player this year Wade put up better numbers than Manu. Your just a crazy Manu that can't deal with reality.
This is the first thing that comes to my mind when I saw his tweets.
I wonder why an NBA vet cared too much about other player being a top 5 or not, he seemed so mad and needed to respond mentioning other SGs.
Young Manu was amazing ...dude was a beast for maybe 5 seasons max. Then he turned into a TOSB .. he has been for a good 6 years now.
Manu played less than half the minutes everyone listed above played..
Not to mention everyone listed above were all Starters for most if not all their career, that says something, about MANU & what he achieved.
I think if Manu is coached by anyone other than Pop, his stats become inflated, and he retires at 35 like most guys who play with his kind of intensity.
His best year statistically was '07-'08, where he played 31 mpg and averaged 19.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.5 apg, & 1.5 spg while playing for a team whose pace ranked 28th out of 30 teams. Put him on a faster paced team and give him 36 mpg and he's probably putting up 25/7/6/2 pretty easily.
People really under estimate how much corporate media hype these players. There have been a ton of James Hardens over the years and will continue to be. Until he plays both ways and wins something significant, he's just another Steve Francis, Starbury, Baron Davis, etc.
You should see a doctor, Wade has been a corpse just look what he has done in Chicago and Cleveland so numbers to what? to scrub teams in the weakest conference ever?Wade's number has been better than Manu's the last 5 years. Even as a washed up player this year Wade put up better numbers than Manu. Your just a crazy Manu that can't deal with reality.
Outside of the 2005-2006 playoffs nonsense Wade has been pretty average in big games, but playoffs doesnt count, right?
Ginobli would have duplicated Wade's stats in the East, and paired with Lebron it would have been lethal in the playoffs.
Manu is the essence of the beautiful game, Wade is the essence of a monkey faking injuries when his team is losing.
It's also important to note that Wade was widely regarded as a subpar defensive player up until The Big Three Era when he suddenly became an elite defensive player as per the media, whereas Manu has always been an absolutely elite defender.
Lol Wade was irrelevant for like four seasons before the Big 3.
Truth hurts.
Are folks really arguing who got hacked the most to determine who the better player was?
The only thing you need to do is look at advanced stats, in pretty much all of them Manu is at the very elite top of, not only SG rankings, but NBA players in general. Manu is an all-time great, period. Only blind fools or bitter haters would claim otherwise, citing raw stats and dumb accolades like all-star games.
I mean, the least he could've done was say something like, "Manu is great and all but..." but instead he makes it seem like it's the greatest affront to the basketball gods. I hope Manu comes back just for that disrespect alone, tbh.
This is the first thing that comes to my mind when I saw his tweets.
I wonder why an NBA vet cared too much about other player being a top 5 or not, he seemed so mad and needed to respond mentioning other SGs.
Truth is Manu you have to keep deflecting and moving the goal post. Wade's playoff numbers since '06 have been better than Manu's playoff numbers. Name me a playoff run Manu has that was better than Wade. Also Wade during the first 7 years of his playoff career averaged around 40 minutes a game. No way Manu's body could handle those minutes without breaking down. There is a reason why Pop didn't overplay Manu because he knew his body couldn't handle it. That to me is one of the biggest knocks on Manu. So there is no way he would have had the same type of success Wade had in the East. You want to penalize Wade for playing with Lebron then you have to do the same for Manu since he got to play with a top 5 player all of time in Duncan. Put Wade in Manu's place in '06 and the Spurs don't lose to the Mavs. Still can't believe Manu couldn't win with peak Duncan in that series. No way Wade s that up.
Truth hurts Manu would not be doing jack if he didn't play with Duncan.
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