Definitely not a top 20 all time great.Are folks really arguing who got hacked the most to determine who the better player was?
The only thing you need to do is look at advanced stats, in pretty much all of them Manu is at the very elite top of, not only SG rankings, but NBA players in general. Manu is an all-time great, period. Only blind fools or bitter haters would claim otherwise, citing raw stats and dumb accolades like all-star games.
Just curious, besides Brandon Jennings is there any legit lists that even have Manu top 6 or 7? Curious.
Did a quick search but didn't find anything. I'm thinking a more serious list where people probably researched for at least a week before putting it together.
Jeff Van Gundy said it on a broadcast during the 2016 WC Finals versus GS.
Every playoff run was better, what the is wrong with you?Truth is Manu you have to keep deflecting and moving the goal post. Wade's playoff numbers since '06 have been better than Manu's playoff numbers. Name me a playoff run Manu has that was better than Wade. Also Wade during the first 7 years of his playoff career averaged around 40 minutes a game. No way Manu's body could handle those minutes without breaking down. There is a reason why Pop didn't overplay Manu because he knew his body couldn't handle it. That to me is one of the biggest knocks on Manu. So there is no way he would have had the same type of success Wade had in the East. You want to penalize Wade for playing with Lebron then you have to do the same for Manu since he got to play with a top 5 player all of time in Duncan. Put Wade in Manu's place in '06 and the Spurs don't lose to the Mavs. Still can't believe Manu couldn't win with peak Duncan in that series. No way Wade s that up.
Wade was definitely not irrelevant for the four season before the big 3. He made all NBA first team twice in '09 and '10 and was neck and neck with Kobe for being the best SG in the league during that span. If he was irrelevant then there is no way Lebron goes down to Miami. Manu proving again you are just that stupid.
Truth hurts Manu would not be doing jack if he didn't play with Duncan.
2007 swept by the Bulls, 2008 a 15-67 record, 2009 43 win team in the East and in 2010 47 wins.
So he was a clown in regular season and playoffs too.
Is that a superstar one of the best eva?
Pop didnt overplay Manu and the guy still delivers at 40 years old, Wang cant even run since 2013.
Lol what a clown you are, that ´06 woulda shoulda doesnt mean , he won 15 games in the East and was a nobody without Shaq or Lebron and having Pat Riley pulling strings.
So you want to name Duncan and ´06 but Wheelchair was a disgrace in 2011 vs Dallas, that last game 6 he scored 17 meaningless points on 16 shots but 7 foodstamps saved that disgrace and 0-4 3 pointers, while Lebron scored 21 with 9-15 shots but you blame it on Lebron, truth hertz.
Wang made the first team those years because its a popularity contest, the same league that gave a 6th seeder the MVP award because of that stupid double double while Harden or Curry deserve it.
Truth hurts Manu would not be doing jack if he didn't play with Duncan.
That was Wade without Shaq and HOFer coach Pat Riley, and then Prime Lebron with Bosh, Battier, Ray Allen.
Lebron won a le with a buncha scrubs in the east, what about your so superior Waste?
You shouldnt post here anymore, tbh.
"If he was on any other team, Ginobili would average 25 points a game" -The Chuckster, circa 2004 or 2005
Manu with the epic meltdown. Damn Manu you are committed to defending your god.
1. In '07 the Heat team was pretty much washed up. They barely beat the bulls a year earlier. You didn't mention in '07 Wade was coming back from a major shoulder injury and missed 20 some games with that injury and barely made it back to the playoffs. You bring up '08 but gloss over the fact that Wade missed 31 games that year and the Heat were in complete rebuild mold. Wade carried those Heat teams in '09 and '10. Those Heat teams were garbage and the second best player on those Heat teams was Michael Beasley. Pair Manu up with Beasley and those teams are winning 30 some games and missing the playoffs. No way can Manu average 37 minutes a game during the regular season and then 40 minutes per game during the playoffs like Wade did during that 2 year run. If Manu had to play those minutes his body breaks down and explodes.
Also Wade was pretty damn impressive against the Celtics in 2010. His numbers against the Celtics were better than anybody during the 2010 playoff run including Kobe and Lebron. He carved them up but didn't have any help. I doubt Manu would have been able to put up 30 plus point on over 50 percent shooting against that Celtics team.
2. Wade is still putting putting up better numbers than Manu and he has been doing that for his whole entire. You keeping bringing up Manu is playing at 40 and I have to say who gives a . His numbers are still worse than Wade. I know your going to bring up Wade plays more minutes but there is a reason why Manu can't play as many minutes as Wade which is he's not as durable as Wade. He doesn't have the stamina to play the minutes Wade is playing. You say Wade has been washed up since 2013 then why has his numbers been better than Manu in the last 5 years? even this year in the playoffs "washed up" Wade put better numbers than Manu with nearly the same amount of minutes played. You just don't make any sense logically which goes to show you truly lack comprehension skills.
3. Wade was better than Lebron for the majority of that series. Bringing up one game in which Lebron is better doesn't change the argument which is Wade had a way better series than Lebron. If Lebron had shown up in the previous games then the Heat would have won that series. Lebron choked big time in that series. He averaged nearly 10 points less than his regular season average along with shooting a lower FG percentage compared to his regular season average. Heat lost game 4 only by 3 points but in that game Lebron had 8 points on 27 percent shooting while Wade had 32 points on 65 percent shooting. Wade was great in the first 5 games of the series while Lebron only showed up in game 1-2 and 6. Lebron laid a huge egg in the 3 games in Dallas. If he shows up in just one of them the Heat would have won the series. Goes to you again Manu the truth does hurt.
4. Wade won a le in '06 with a worse team than Manu had in '06. He won with a watered down Shaq while Manu could not win with peak Duncan. The '06 Duncan against the Mavs was the best Duncan had ever played and Manu still failed to win. Put Wade in Manu's place and the Spurs easily beat the Mavs.
5. Those awards were legit. Keep screaming it was popularity contest. Statistically Wade was the superior player compared to Manu and that's why he got those awards. Like I said before the media will screw up every now and then and give awards to players like Draymond that don't deserve them but they get it right most of the time. Fact is you can't even argue Manu deserved those awards over Wade which makes you against look pretty re ed.
6. You want to keep screaming that Wade didn't deserve those freethrows then you can say the same for Manu. Both were big time floppers. This is like an alcoholic calling out another alcoholic for drinking too much.
7. You grossly overrate Manu but I understand why since he's the greatest thing to ever come out of your third world hole country but he's not as great as you make him out to be. I look at all the other teams that won back to back les and they always had legit superstars ala Bulls Pippen-Jordan, Lakers Kareem-Magic and then Kobe-Shaq and then Kobe-Gasol, Heat Lebron-Wade, Rockets Olajuwon-Drexler. It's very unfortunately Duncan never had a great side kick superstar like those other alpha's did on those le teams because he would have easily won back to back like those guys did. Manu clearly was never in that league hence why the Spurs could not win back to back.
8. Keep screaming Manu that Wade doesn't deserve credit for '06. You can't discredit that run without looking like an idiot. Wade carried that team. All you can do is scream the refs bailed him out which is just you making excuses Manu's inability to measure up to Wade.
9. I'am amused by you in the sense that I use facts and you use emotions but I'm not surprised since you are a dumbass Trumper. That seems par for the course when dealing with simpletons like you.
10. Now go cry me a river Manu . If you can't handle what I'm saying then go commit suicide.
1-Blah Blah, injury card, after reaching 25 years old Waste became , Manu beat Team USA with a buncha scrubs, Manu makes everyone around him better, Waste doesnt.
Manu played like a god in the playoffs with a broken arm, Waste doesnt... prefers wheelchairs.
Those Celtics sucked ass, only won a ring and then what? People love to talk about those bums, they had a super ty eastern conference and only 2 finals, Manu vs peak Pistons was much more impressive than that bozo, and Spurs won a le.
2- Any clown can make 20 something points per game, you think thats the pinnacle of life? stat padding is useless unless you win, ask Kevin Love or Westbrook.
That idiot cant even make get a playoff seed by his own, and Spurs never went too far in the playoffs without Manu, have you heard Pop? without Manu Spurs are light 1 or 2 championships.
Manu wins everywhere, Wade is a geriatric , did you watch Cleveland and Chicago? but muh 20 points LOL!!!
Also Waste numbers in the playoffs are because he plays against G league teams, truth hurts.
Is John Wall a HOFer then? he makes lots of points so??? pretty sure in your little world he is a true hero.
3- Wade has a bigger jaw and more hair than Lebron, everything else you are delusional, Lebron went to the finals with scrubs in 2007, and repeated the same like 3 more times.
How many finals has he played by his own??????? why is that?
Because Lebron plays for the team, Wang is just a bozo, did you know how he played the last game 6 vs Dallas? the elimination game there was no tomorrow, but keep blaming Lebron, you know the guy that shot 60% that night, and the guy that made possible that the CHeat reached 4 finals in a row.
How many finals has Wade reached by himself??? come again???
4- Because it was a ref job, is that news to you? does the name D-Whistle rings any bells? I bet you claim those Thunder series vs Spurs were legit and there was no ref job either.
5- Legit my ass, NBA sells players because it is a business, Im not saying Manu deserves things but give awards to Wade its pretty re ed.
The same NBA that rigged Sacramento 2002 is legit? you may like BB but to say it doesnt have marketing crap and dirty is pretty re ed too.
They even made rules to help MJ, helped 80s Lakers and 00s Lakers, then the CHeat OKC and the Warriors, but media said Wade is great, look he is on those trading cards!
6- Manu flopped but magnifiying contact and stopped doing it long time ago, these idiots were flying all over the court without a single touch, Wade Lebron and Bosh did all that ty stuff, making the league the sissy that is today.
Not every alcoholic is the same, some drink a bottle and some a barrel so dont try to evade the ty antics that Wade pulled.
Did Manu get 25 FTs like Wade or Harden? bigger market bozos gets the fake calls.
7- Now you go to re ed stuff like countries because you cant win this debate, do you have free healthcare there? why there are so many hobos? why dont you have bidets? do you like to smell like and stinky pussy?
Why your doctors are so ty? The need to spend all that money in the army, what are you afraid? 9-11? LOL
Why the food blows? do you guys fart on the meat or something? Why sugar tastes so cheap? are you trying to give people cancer selling that ?
Why beer tastes like water? also six packs are for gots.
Why are so many uneducated there? public college sucks that much?
Why students pay loans? do you like to your own people?
Now toothless idiot goes to back to back , so Hou 2 les are more than 5 SA rings because butthurted Phil Jackson said so.
CHeat repeated because with all that rigged they ed the Spurs all over the serie, specially during game 6 in overtime and this.
But hey refs say its no big deal because Gay Ray didnt mean that.
What an inbred, you dont sound like a Spur fan at all.
8- Is not my opinion, just a fact, refs made everything possible to make the CHeat win, everything else is just your lame attempt to spin facts and bring subjectivity.
He got 25 FTA, the same than the whole Mavs team because he was so advanced that nobody in the whole world could match his skills
And Im pretty sure everyone was telling it was a ref job to make Manu look better...
Game 5 Wade 11-28 shooting but 25 FTA
Whole MAVS 25 FTA
Whole MIA 49 FTA
Result MIA 101 - Mavs 100
Game 6 Wade 10-18 not bad but 21FTA
Whole MAVS 23FTA
Whole MIA 37FTA
Result MIA 95 - Mavs 92
But but MANU!!!!!
You need brains more than a doctor, that bum Wade has only one legit championship, the one vs OKC, everything else is utter .
9- You use a popularity contests as a fact, so the joke is on you, All Star games and like that wtf, Yao had 8 ASG too because half China voted for him.
Now you bring politics here, dont you know that belongs to the Political Forum, little lib ? you bring outside here because there is no more ammo.
If your black bozo was so good, then why people gave a big you to Hildabeast? lol you still dont get it, probably will never learn.
10- I can handle it, you lost control bringing nonsense stuff like my country or my political views, yet your country is full of and your political candidate lost because she was out of touch, just like you.
So to resume Wade won 2006 by having the same FTA than the rival team, winning by 1 or 3 points the last 2 games because refs said so.
Wade won 2013 because there was a lot of flopping and Allen out of bounds and traveling was good for refs.
Wade is better than Manu because he cant make by his own in the eastern conference, and Manu winning everywhere outside Spurs is meaningless.
Manu court vision, wild nutmegs, no look passes, 3 pointers, dunking on 4 lakers, behind the back dribbles, using his right hand, the international impact and fundamentals his game has.
But hey Wade brought us the eurostep!
Wont agree with all 10 points, but some good stuff in this...
IF we all agree that Timmy is the GOAT PF (yup) a top 10 player (yup) arguably top 5 player of all time (possibly)...and Manu is a top 5 SG of all time ...how come Duncan one of the great leaders/winners could not defend a le with a top 5, no wait top 3 , no wait top 2 SG ( , not sure why some of you dont also place him over Jordan while you are at it)?!!!!
That makes no sense. I dont always agree with da slicer ...but something does NOT add up.
IF you dont think Spurs are more dominant with prime Wade as his #2 even if Manu was a better "fit" for his willingness to come off the bench ...I dont know what to tell people.
Manu was great. Wade was greater. I actually like Manu better what a badass ,... Outside of Duncan he is my favorite Spur.
Does not make him better than Wade, though.
I'm not going to waste my time with the other points since you have already proven to me to be a mentally unstable person that needs to be in a mental hospital. I will say you do make some good points on point 7 but still come across as a dumbass since you are a Trumper. You do know Trump does not believe in universal health care because to get universal health care it would require increasing the tax rate among the rich which Trump actually lowered. I actually agree with you that the US spends way too much on their military and should cut military spending but guess what Trump supports the military industrial complex so that's not ending anytime soon. I also agree with you that student loans are ridiculous but again to get rid of them would require increasing taxes among the rich which is something Trump does not believe in. You insult the US for not being able to tackle the issues that I have outlined above but at the same you support Trump a guy who doesn't ever intend to fix these issues and if anything will make them worse. This goes to you again how re ed you are.1-Blah Blah, injury card, after reaching 25 years old Waste became , Manu beat Team USA with a buncha scrubs, Manu makes everyone around him better, Waste doesnt.
Manu played like a god in the playoffs with a broken arm, Waste doesnt... prefers wheelchairs.
Those Celtics sucked ass, only won a ring and then what? People love to talk about those bums, they had a super ty eastern conference and only 2 finals, Manu vs peak Pistons was much more impressive than that bozo, and Spurs won a le.
2- Any clown can make 20 something points per game, you think thats the pinnacle of life? stat padding is useless unless you win, ask Kevin Love or Westbrook.
That idiot cant even make get a playoff seed by his own, and Spurs never went too far in the playoffs without Manu, have you heard Pop? without Manu Spurs are light 1 or 2 championships.
Manu wins everywhere, Wade is a geriatric , did you watch Cleveland and Chicago? but muh 20 points LOL!!!
Also Waste numbers in the playoffs are because he plays against G league teams, truth hurts.
Is John Wall a HOFer then? he makes lots of points so??? pretty sure in your little world he is a true hero.
3- Wade has a bigger jaw and more hair than Lebron, everything else you are delusional, Lebron went to the finals with scrubs in 2007, and repeated the same like 3 more times.
How many finals has he played by his own??????? why is that?
Because Lebron plays for the team, Wang is just a bozo, did you know how he played the last game 6 vs Dallas? the elimination game there was no tomorrow, but keep blaming Lebron, you know the guy that shot 60% that night, and the guy that made possible that the CHeat reached 4 finals in a row.
How many finals has Wade reached by himself??? come again???
4- Because it was a ref job, is that news to you? does the name D-Whistle rings any bells? I bet you claim those Thunder series vs Spurs were legit and there was no ref job either.
5- Legit my ass, NBA sells players because it is a business, Im not saying Manu deserves things but give awards to Wade its pretty re ed.
The same NBA that rigged Sacramento 2002 is legit? you may like BB but to say it doesnt have marketing crap and dirty is pretty re ed too.
They even made rules to help MJ, helped 80s Lakers and 00s Lakers, then the CHeat OKC and the Warriors, but media said Wade is great, look he is on those trading cards!
6- Manu flopped but magnifiying contact and stopped doing it long time ago, these idiots were flying all over the court without a single touch, Wade Lebron and Bosh did all that ty stuff, making the league the sissy that is today.
Not every alcoholic is the same, some drink a bottle and some a barrel so dont try to evade the ty antics that Wade pulled.
Did Manu get 25 FTs like Wade or Harden? bigger market bozos gets the fake calls.
7- Now you go to re ed stuff like countries because you cant win this debate, do you have free healthcare there? why there are so many hobos? why dont you have bidets? do you like to smell like and stinky pussy?
Why your doctors are so ty? The need to spend all that money in the army, what are you afraid? 9-11? LOL
Why the food blows? do you guys fart on the meat or something? Why sugar tastes so cheap? are you trying to give people cancer selling that ?
Why beer tastes like water? also six packs are for gots.
Why are so many uneducated there? public college sucks that much?
Why students pay loans? do you like to your own people?
Now toothless idiot goes to back to back , so Hou 2 les are more than 5 SA rings because butthurted Phil Jackson said so.
CHeat repeated because with all that rigged they ed the Spurs all over the serie, specially during game 6 in overtime and this.
But hey refs say its no big deal because Gay Ray didnt mean that.
What an inbred, you dont sound like a Spur fan at all.
8- Is not my opinion, just a fact, refs made everything possible to make the CHeat win, everything else is just your lame attempt to spin facts and bring subjectivity.
He got 25 FTA, the same than the whole Mavs team because he was so advanced that nobody in the whole world could match his skills
And Im pretty sure everyone was telling it was a ref job to make Manu look better...
Game 5 Wade 11-28 shooting but 25 FTA
Whole MAVS 25 FTA
Whole MIA 49 FTA
Result MIA 101 - Mavs 100
Game 6 Wade 10-18 not bad but 21FTA
Whole MAVS 23FTA
Whole MIA 37FTA
Result MIA 95 - Mavs 92
But but MANU!!!!!
You need brains more than a doctor, that bum Wade has only one legit championship, the one vs OKC, everything else is utter .
9- You use a popularity contests as a fact, so the joke is on you, All Star games and like that wtf, Yao had 8 ASG too because half China voted for him.
Now you bring politics here, dont you know that belongs to the Political Forum, little lib ? you bring outside here because there is no more ammo.
If your black bozo was so good, then why people gave a big you to Hildabeast? lol you still dont get it, probably will never learn.
10- I can handle it, you lost control bringing nonsense stuff like my country or my political views, yet your country is full of and your political candidate lost because she was out of touch, just like you.
So to resume Wade won 2006 by having the same FTA than the rival team, winning by 1 or 3 points the last 2 games because refs said so.
Wade won 2013 because there was a lot of flopping and Allen out of bounds and traveling was good for refs.
Wade is better than Manu because he cant make by his own in the eastern conference, and Manu winning everywhere outside Spurs is meaningless.
Manu court vision, wild nutmegs, no look passes, 3 pointers, dunking on 4 lakers, behind the back dribbles, using his right hand, the international impact and fundamentals his game has.
But hey Wade brought us the eurostep!
Also Argentina compared to the US is still a third world hole. If it was so great you would not be in Europe which shows even you know that place is a hole.
Last edited by daslicer; 08-22-2018 at 11:48 AM.
You are the mental unstable here, talking about my country or political views to discuss about BB, that shows your lack of knowledge and arguments Im sure you cant speak more than english so you dont know much outside the states and like lots of americans they think they are the top of the world.I'm not going to waste my time with the other points since you have already proven to me to be a mentally unstable person that needs to be in a mental hospital. I will say you do make some good points on point 7 but still come across as a dumbass since you are a Trumper. You do know Trump does not believe in universal health care because to get universal health care it would require increasing the tax rate among the rich which Trump actually lowered. I actually agree with you that the US spends way too much on their military and should cut military spending but guess what Trump supports the military industrial complex so that's not ending anytime soon. I also agree with you that student loans are ridiculous but again to get rid of them would require increasing taxes among the rich which is something Trump does not believe in. You insult the US for not being able to tackle the issues that I have outlined above but at the same you support Trump a guy who doesn't ever intend to fix these issues and if anything will make them worse. This goes to you again how re ed you are.
Also Argentina compared to the US is still a third world hole. If it was so great you would not be in Europe which shows even you know that place is a hole.
Forget about Trump, you had the whole 20th century to fix that, the Reagans, Kennedys, Clintons, Bushes, Carters, Fords, Eisenhowers, Roosevelts.
Those issues are beyond Trump, Obama and Hilda.
I doubt we are a hole, we have free healthcare and education, people from Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela Bolivia and Peru come here to study because they cant afford to do it in their homelands.
You should try to learn more before talking about something, specially when you have terrible places that dont even look civilized at all.
As for sports, Ginobili is hardly the first big thing we ever had, you dont know about Fangio, Vilas, Maradona, Bonavena, our polo teams, Di Stefano, Monzon, Kempes, Messi.
And for basketball Argentina won the 1950 FIBA World Championship, long way before Manu.
Offseason boredom. NFL can't start soon enough. Who care's what number Manu is in the top 10 or even top 15. He's a HOF and his legacy is secure. Once he retires, he'll have tons of post basketball gigs waiting for him, from TV commentary to working for a major news network to a gig at TNT or ESPN commenting at halftime, to coaching, etc.
You have like 250 years of american history to give free healthcare, its stupid to put that on the last 3 presidents but if you like that why Obongo didnt change a thing? people had hope but lot of sick persons died in 8 years? why blacks never got their rights? why women didnt get gender equality if moochele was in charge? Argies have gender equality...
Why Trump has a black unemployment all time low? why the stock market which works on future things, who is in charge now and speculates around it is high and much better than any black jesus year? 4,1 gdp
So far Trump still has 6,5 years to do things, we dont know whats going to happen, whats sure is Ozamba era is finished and it was a failure.
Really nice to hurry the guy in charge and forgive/forget that the guy that fits your agenda couldnt make in 8 years, except create more division and bring the 60s back.
I see you are content to pick on the re and are avoiding my post daslicer
By your logic, peak best Duncan is substantially worse than Wade, who beat the Mavs with washed up shaq and Antoine walker combining for 27.5 pts as 2nd and 3rd highest scorers, while peak best Duncan couldn't do it despite manu and Tony combining for 41.4
And kg, Malone, Dirk, all must be better than Duncan, they played thousands more minutes, had better counting stats... Or do defense, intangibles, pace and roles only matter for players you like?
I learned way back in a US government class in college that it always takes a few years for a new president's policies to come into effect. Right now the economy is benefiting from Obama's policies since unemployment was going down through out his presidency. During Obama's last year of his presidency the Unemployment was around 4.7 percent. We'll see how great Trump's polices are around 2019-2020 because that's when we'll see the true effect of them. If things are going well then he gets to own his success but if things fail it's all on him.
Obama did fail with Obamacare but he did try to change the health care system. I didn't see any republican presidents making the attempt to fix it outside of Nixon. Trump certainly is not trying to do it but is actually trying to go back to the old health care system which was not even close to universal health care. Proving again you are re ed. You screaming like maniac that the US doesn't have universal health care but supporting Trump who is totally against it.
Obama's presidency was not a failure.
You ed about america spending too much money on the military but you support Trump even though he plans to not change this at all.
You also ed about America having student loan issues but your boy Trump is not going to changed that he actually made it worse by giving those tax cuts.
Manu you claim I have ignorance of your country but you have obvious ignorance of my own country when you said Obama divided people. Give examples of how he did it? America has a history of being a racist country and the majority of people who didn't like Obama simply hated him because he was black and nothing else. Also you have to be insanely stupid to compare this era to the 60's. Back then the majority of the country was racist while right now that's not the case. It shows you are pretty much clueless culturally about America.
You hate student loans, the Healthcare system, the military industrial complex. So give me examples of how Trump is trying to change that? Like I said before your just filled with deflections deflections.
Last edited by daslicer; 08-22-2018 at 04:26 PM.
Looks like were bitterly fighting over where Manu ranks in SG legacy. Everyone has pretty good points here. When Manu was in his prime there was imo only 2 clear guys better than him - Kobe and MJ. Wade did seem unstoppable in 2006 finals but after scrutinizing it, it is very tainted with sketchy calls.
The question is how do you rank all-time greats? People here are arguing that Manu's peak is no2 or no3. I think anyone putting Manu over Kobe is pretty delusional. No matter how many great moments Manu had, Kobe had much more and they were even more spectacular. He also won 5 rings to Manu's 4. In any given playoff series there is a clear argument for taking Manu easily in the top 5. (EASY) but what about to start a franchise? Can he last playing so recklessly the way he did in the starting lineup playing 35mpg? IDK. If I had to make a bet on it, it would no. Career would be shortened but it would've been a glorious 8-10 years in the NBA.
IMO, Shaq's prime was clearly better than Duncan's but Duncan's was more sustainable over a longer number of years. If people think Duncan ranks ahead of Shaq (from what I can tell, most on this board do) then there is obviously a clear argument for Reggie Miller and Ray Allen over Manu. People forget Ray Allen and Reggie had extremely durable and long careers and with better stats. Ray Allen you could argue his stats were obviously dwindled a bit when he went to Boston but he won championships with Boston and Miami - so there is no argument that he wasn't a winner. He was clearly a winner when you put him with other hof'er. Of course Spurstalk manu fans will diminish Parker to prop of Manu which obviously is faulty because history will show Parker was one of the greatest too and Manu probably thinks the same as well.
Manu was great and could beat anyone on any given day but so could a few other guys at the SG position in history. Manu coming late to the NBA is probably what cements his legacy as out of top 5 on most board's consideration. Had he been here earlier his career could've gone down a much greater path imo.
Nah dude I don't have all day to argue with Manu s like you. I have to pick my battles wisely or I would be on here 24 hours straight.I see you are content to pick on the re and are avoiding my post daslicer
By your logic, peak best Duncan is substantially worse than Wade, who beat the Mavs with washed up shaq and Antoine walker combining for 27.5 pts as 2nd and 3rd highest scorers, while peak best Duncan couldn't do it despite manu and Tony combining for 41.4
And kg, Malone, Dirk, all must be better than Duncan, they played thousands more minutes, had better counting stats... Or do defense, intangibles, pace and roles only matter for players you like?
Great post I can actually agree with most of your points.
He wasn't even the greatest Spur SG.
Who taught you? a liberal? Trump is the one affecting the stock market not Obama, stock market works speculating with Trump actions, not thinking about stuff made by Obama 5 years back.I learned way back in a US government class in college that it always takes a few years for a new president's policies to come into effect. Right now the economy is benefiting from Obama's policies since unemployment was going down through out his presidency. During Obama's last year of his presidency the Unemployment was around 4.7 percent. We'll see how great Trump's polices are around 2019-2020 because that's when we'll see the true effect of them. If things are going well then he gets to own his success but if things fail it's all on him.
Obama did fail with Obamacare but he did try to change the health care system. I didn't see any republican presidents making the attempt to fix it outside of Nixon. Trump certainly is not trying to do it but is actually trying to go back to the old health care system which was not even close to universal health care. Proving again you are re ed. You screaming like maniac that the US doesn't have universal health care but supporting Trump who is totally against it.
Obama's presidency was not a failure.
You ed about america spending too much money on the military but you support Trump even though he plans to not change this at all.
You also ed about America having student loan issues but your boy Trump is not going to changed that he actually made it worse by giving those tax cuts.
Manu you claim I have ignorance of your country but you have obvious ignorance of my own country when you said Obama divided people. Give examples of how he did it? America has a history of being a racist country and the majority of people who didn't like Obama simply hated him because he was black and nothing else. Also you have to be insanely stupid to compare this era to the 60's. Back then the majority of the country was racist while right now that's not the case. It shows you are pretty much clueless culturally about America.
You hate student loans, the Healthcare system, the military industrial complex. So give me examples of how Trump is trying to change that? Like I said before your just filled with deflections deflections.
Would you say when Obama was getting better it was because W was great?
Help me on this one, the unemployment rate doubled under W Bush, so
a- we must blame it on Clinton
b- when it got better during Obama years because it was so low, it got better because of W?
Im not saying Trump is god, just stating what kind of country you have, you love to talk about mine not knowing much about it, so it seems fair to point things.
Obama divided people, that never happened under W and he was a ty president, first this clown was respecting the law, just like Pelosi Schumer and all those fake clowns, they had respect for the laws, then close to election time they started swinging for the other team, suddenly illegals were not illegals as long they vote, the open borders they wanted to change well... that never happened.
The law became a subjective thing regarding illegals, thats not putting america first, and lots of liberal idiots wanted open borders because of feelings.
Look that stupid interview where he said: Illegal citizens are still citizens, nothing will happen to them if they vote...
Even the dumb who made the interview said something stupid like= illegals, they are a big part of our community... what a globalist piece of .
Add all his stupid famous supporters begun to talk divisive , you are with us, OR YOU ARE A BIGOT BECAUSE YOU FOLLOW THE LAW, then illiterate monkeys like Lebron started calling the president a bum.
All Obama Hillary supporters became intolerant, like if Trump supporters must give explanations on why they support the man, specially on open border issues.
Lots of families were separated because they had 20 years to fix their , some had TEMPORARY protection, but thats on Trump.
Young 18 year old idiots took sides to attack confederation statues, because they were then when it actually happened!
Actors and comedians spreading divisive messages when they know nothing about how to lead a country, its ok to have an opinion but where were you for the last 30 years, idiots like DeNiro who never had an opinion in 70 years talk about punching a president.
They tried to appeal to actors musicians comedians to move the masses against Trump, what they dont understand is they are just entertainers, nobody wants their ty opinons, just be entertained.
America will always be racist, but Omongo took it to a whole new level by trying to sell Trump was the incarnation of Hitler and all his stupid fan base is now spreading hate everywhere.
Trump wont change those things, you will have all that in your ty country forever because the american regime is like that, people is expendable, and the country is over people, you will die then some others will die but america will have their resources and guns to have fun.
He may not be one of the best sg's in the league and there are plenty of SG's who could probably be considered better but Manu is one of the most exciting SG's in this league and he had a knack for making clutch time plays and making others around him better. I was just watching the game where Tim and Tony were out and even though we still lost he led a not so good Spurs team almost to a win against the Lakers stacked with 4 HOF's (Malone, Kobe, Shaq, Payton). Loved watching him in that game.
Kobe and Manu would be a more fair comparison, I wouldn´t say Manu is over KB but he is very close, Kobe won 5 rings because he had refs on his side (Sacramento 2002) then he had a superlaker team, Horry Shaq Fisher add to that Phil Jackson, lets just say 2002 le is full of crap.
Then another issue with Kobe nobody likes to say, he is the biggest brick shooter/clunker in NBA history.
So he has a million points, but at what cost?
Manu doesnt get superstar treatment because he plays in a small market team, same that TD, Spurs with ref help could have won 7 rings easily.
The only people that gets top 5 treatment are superstars because thats what media sells.
So nobody talks about Jordan getting raped by Celtics and Pistons, and how the NBA had to adjust things to make him look better.
Nobody talks about Lebron getting 5 steps to the rim.
Nobody likes to point out the ty elbow slapping defense that the CHeat played during their successful years, and now GSW is doing it too.
Thats how some people still thinks Carmelo is a legend, or Dwert is still relevant.
Ray Allen won a ring by traveling, and stepping out of bounds on other play, but you count that ring as legit.
That le was taken from Spurs, so what refs take from small teams goes to the hyped ones,
Gay Ray grabbed his right hand first, not the ball.
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