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    Karl Malone played 7488 minutes more than Duncan, 10432 more points. Dirk played 3205 minutes more, 4681 more points.
    Why is Duncan goatpf?? These guys carried way more load, way more productive, right?? In my other post I compared manu to mcgrady age 25 to 29, if you go age 25-30 manu actually played 296 more minutes than he did, not counting playoffs or national team. Wade played 2117 minutes more than manu in that span.
    How many scoring les did they win once they played with Tim Duncan caliber teammates? Did their stats go up or down? In the age of superteams, and as spur fans!, Is it really news that individual stats go down when you have great teammates?

    Again, I've never argued manu should be 2 3, 1000 or whatever. Its the re ed inconsistent arguments that annoy me- like 22 year old rookie Wade being too young to matter at the Olympics, yet 20 year old mcgrady is in his prime. All I'm saying is that if you are going to argue for guys like Wade, mcgrady, there are much more reasonable arguments than minutes and durability (or that nonsense about mcgrady having a more dangerous playing style, he was dismissed as soft his entire career). What did Wade and mcgrady do by themselves? First round exits, gaudy stats, broken bodies, is that bar so high to think manu couldnt do the same??


    And if the counter is 2006 Wade, he must be better than Duncan too, according to daslicer 06 Duncan was the best peak Duncan and he couldn't beat the Mavs that Wade did beat with a lesser supporting cast..
    Those aren't inconsistent arguments. Duncan was considered goat pf because he won championships as the alpha and was a stellar defensive presence. 2004 Olympics were not built for Wade, Lebron, or Carmelo. They were the youth movement. The veterans lost those Olympics. If you always want to bring up 2004 as your argument then I guess Manu is 10x better than Duncan right? Duncan had a ton of help but still lost to Manu? There is a lot of research why they lost those Olympics and it is a lot more than because Manu was a beast. That is just one of a dozen reasons they lost.

    The point is Manu never carried a team as the alpha, came to the NBA late, and played most of his career of the bench with limited minutes. It's hard to judge is all I am saying.

    2000 McGrady was the alpha and statistical beast of the Magic. Your becoming a bit delusional. Some players like Iverson and McGrady did better when they were younger because of their athleticism. Same with Vince Carter imo. Manu was Manu when he had to be but he was not that way for many minutes in the NBA. Period.

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    Basically in your words the economy is great because Trump's policies which have only gone into effect now. Like I said before but it takes a few years for these polices to go into effect. Also according to you young people in your words who are against confederate statues and take them down are bigots. In your words illegals are voting because states don't have voter ID requirements but at the same time that's always been the case. So going by your logic every elections there have been illegals voting in huge numbers. That video your posted is bunch of edited bs created by Fox news . This website debunks how that video was edited: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...liens-to-vote/ . Also in that video dumbass the person who asks if she can vote is a do ented AMERICAN CITIZEN. So how the is Obama encouraging illegals to vote when he says she can vote? Don't believe me her name is Gina Rodriguez and she was born in Chicago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Rodriguez


    You don't understand how voting works here at all. Every citizen has a place where they are required to vote and that is determined by their voter registration card and street address. Once you go to your voting location you have to identify yourself by telling the voting registration people your first and last name and then they look you up and check you off the voting roll. I can't see millions of illegals actually going into a voting booths and pretending to be an actual american citizens. You gotta factor in that the american citizen they pretended to be would also report to the same voting booth that day only to be told by voting registration people when they look them up that someone had already voted in their place. Their would be millions of cases of voting fraud across the country but that's not the case. In 2016 there was only 4 incident of voting fraud in the whole entire US and the people who did it were actual American citizens that tried to vote twice https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.738686d11d82

    So I just don't buy into your bs that illegals are voting because it's been proven that they are not.

    I'm just calling it for what is that you are a RACIST which is why you hated Obama. That is evident when you say Lebron James is illiterate. I'm not even a fan of Lebron and think of him as a narcissist but calling him illiterate is one thing that I can't even say he is. You pretty much outed yourself right there .

    In a nuts you are a racist foreign conservative who hates Liberals but also es about how America doesn't have great liberal programs like universal health care, free college, and you are angry America spends a lot on the military. Sounds like a mentally unstable person to me. Truth is you are straight up re ed. Anyways I'm not going to waste my time with you. You are a conservative nut case that is going to hate any president or a person who is a democrat.
    He said straight to the camera when you vote you are a citizen, if you are a citizen (legal) why should you be afraid??? why someone would investigate your house or family?, there was no edit there and same with the stupid interviewer, snopes is a lib site there is no need to read someone spinning facts when video is crystal clear, also what kind of stupid country allows anyone to vote without showing their ID?
    Of course its in every election, thats why Obozo regrets to deport people now he wanted those votes.
    W bush rigged an election, so why the surprise?
    Al Franken 2008?

    Same procedure here, but fraud happened lots of times, dead people, illegals too.
    Some realities:

    1. The USA has the weakest protections against voter fraud than any other country in the world Most, including Mexico, must prove citizenship and are issued a photo voter ID.
    2. The individual states determines how one registers. In many states they just take a person at their word.
    3. The lack of uniform rules, the lack of requiring ID, and the lack of willingness to address the issue and prosecute illegal voters makes it very possible that voter fraud is rampant.


    Lol Obama sucks not because he is black, just because he is the deep state´s mouthpiece, a divider and terrible leader, every speech he gives it seems he spoke in front of a mirror for a week.

    Lebron is dumb as rocks, “And am I saying that the people of Ohio wasn’t educated?” the NBA star pondered. “Am I saying that some of the other states that voted for him was uneducated? They could have been or they could not have been. But that doesn’t mean it was the right choice.”

    Intelligence has nothing to do with race, if I call Barkley fat Im a racist? Is Barkley racist because he said latinas in SA are fat???

    Im a conservative, foreigner of course, and I hate liberals since 2015, that kind of intolerance like the one you are showing is unacceptable, people are en led to have an opinion but to try to manipulate them judge them and condemn them for having a different view is lunatic.
    I said Lebron is illiterate and you say RACIST!
    I say go to school Lebron this is not roots.

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    The fact that this entire argument would devolve into a political debate shows how weak your arguments against Manu really are.

    Peak Manu takes a backseat to no other shooting guard except Michael Jordan. He takes a backseat to Kobe as well given Kobe's overall skillset (despite the inefficiency of Kobe's own numbers). The Wade/Manu argument is a legitimate one given their careers but the fact that they are comparable suggests that they're in the same tier - which is something that you are refusing to acknowledge with all your banter.

    Again, no one else on the shooting guards all-time list, not even the top two players I mentioned above can say that they've won a game by each of the following methods: game winning assist, game winning block, game winning drawn offensive foul, game winning free-throw, game winning three pointer, game winning running banker, game winning steal, game winning screen, game winning full-court assist or a game winning deflection. Manu has checked off each of those boxes because of the greatness of his versatility. You refusing to credit Manu's intangibles as the key to his overall greatness is why you are fixated on Wade's / Miller's / Drexler's / Allen's numbers. Manu's BBIQ is off the charts.
    This was incredible, razor sharp

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    He said straight to the camera when you vote you are a citizen, if you are a citizen (legal) why should you be afraid??? why someone would investigate your house or family?, there was no edit there and same with the stupid interviewer, snopes is a lib site there is no need to read someone spinning facts when video is crystal clear, also what kind of stupid country allows anyone to vote without showing their ID?
    Of course its in every election, thats why Obozo regrets to deport people now he wanted those votes.
    W bush rigged an election, so why the surprise?
    Al Franken 2008?

    Same procedure here, but fraud happened lots of times, dead people, illegals too.
    Some realities:

    1. The USA has the weakest protections against voter fraud than any other country in the world Most, including Mexico, must prove citizenship and are issued a photo voter ID.
    2. The individual states determines how one registers. In many states they just take a person at their word.
    3. The lack of uniform rules, the lack of requiring ID, and the lack of willingness to address the issue and prosecute illegal voters makes it very possible that voter fraud is rampant.


    Lol Obama sucks not because he is black, just because he is the deep state´s mouthpiece, a divider and terrible leader, every speech he gives it seems he spoke in front of a mirror for a week.

    Lebron is dumb as rocks, “And am I saying that the people of Ohio wasn’t educated?” the NBA star pondered. “Am I saying that some of the other states that voted for him was uneducated? They could have been or they could not have been. But that doesn’t mean it was the right choice.”

    Intelligence has nothing to do with race, if I call Barkley fat Im a racist? Is Barkley racist because he said latinas in SA are fat???

    Im a conservative, foreigner of course, and I hate liberals since 2015, that kind of intolerance like the one you are showing is unacceptable, people are en led to have an opinion but to try to manipulate them judge them and condemn them for having a different view is lunatic.
    I said Lebron is illiterate and you say RACIST!
    I say go to school Lebron this is not roots.
    Illiterate means unable to read or write. Your stating Lebron can not read which makes you a racist. What would make you think Lebron could not be able to read? No way in could Lebron get through basic schooling without being able to read. Like always when in doubt you just deflect deflect deflect like a woman. I can debunk your bs all day Manu but you are the typical conservative nutcase that will continue to make up garbage when called out on your bs I'm done dealing with your ot ass.

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    Illiterate means unable to read or write. Your stating Lebron can not read which makes you a racist. What would make you think Lebron could not be able to read? No way in could Lebron get through basic schooling without being able to read. Like always when in doubt you just deflect deflect deflect like a woman. I can debunk your bs all day Manu but you are the typical conservative nutcase that will continue to make up garbage when called out on your bs I'm done dealing with your ot ass.
    Tbh, there are plenty of high school graduates in the US that barely know how to read. Education system in our country is broken. I am sure Lebron can read though. Lol. Athletes in the schools get special treatment from ins utions of course. You should know this unless you are not at all American.

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    So many people have spoken about Manu's greatness. I won't add to that. I'm just here to say I have issues with AI being on that list. Come on... he was good... he was selfish and he has no rings... I can dig Miller being thrown in there a little bit but not over Manu.

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    So many people have spoken about Manu's greatness. I won't add to that. I'm just here to say I have issues with AI being on that list. Come on... he was good... he was selfish and he has no rings... I can dig Miller being thrown in there a little bit but not over Manu.
    I guess you must have issues with every sports list of all-time greats and all-time sgs then.

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    I guess you must have issues with every sports list of all-time greats and all-time sgs then.
    No, not really - just with this one - it doesn't make sense comparing apples to oranges

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    https://clutchpoints.com/spurs-news-...-lebron-james/ not bad for some one who played less minutes and not having to carry the team.

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    Illiterate means unable to read or write. Your stating Lebron can not read which makes you a racist. What would make you think Lebron could not be able to read? No way in could Lebron get through basic schooling without being able to read. Like always when in doubt you just deflect deflect deflect like a woman. I can debunk your bs all day Manu but you are the typical conservative nutcase that will continue to make up garbage when called out on your bs I'm done dealing with your ot ass.
    Is not racist, you are using the race excuse to defend him, Nanci Pelosi is stupid so that makes my misogynist I guess.
    John Oliver is stupid fugly like a mole and at 41 years old you can say he has the looks of a 60 year old man, so I must be an animal hater anti british POS.

    SpursDynasty answered the rest, athletes have been not so bright for a long long time, 75% of them are broke 10 years after they retire, same with boxers and other sports.
    Is not a coincidence.

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    No, not really - just with this one - it doesn't make sense comparing apples to oranges
    How is that a different comparison than this one? We are ranking sgs. Most lists rank Manu around 15 below Reggie, AI, etc.. We are arguing why Reggie and AI should be considered ahead. If we are picking on SG to win one playoff series most here would pick Manu other than KB. MJ, and probably Wade. I'd still argue Ray is in that category. Anyway. Want to give us your take? Klay and Harden as well. Keep forgetting about them.

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    manu will go down criminally underrated. advanced stats will at least be there to remind people.

    the dude was snapping the team's offense into place for most of his career.

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    Ginobli better than Jerry West? hahaha ok. This is what happens when young people with no sense of history speak. The only things that matter are things they were alive for. Better than Drexler???? cmon man. Even as spurs fans, we shouldn't entertain this bull .
    AMEN. I never saw West but you are right no way he is better than Drexler. SPUR fan with some thick ass Homer glasses...

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    AMEN. I never saw West but you are right no way he is better than Drexler. SPUR fan with some thick ass Homer glasses...
    Agreed. I'm not down with being a homer. I appreciate all of the Spurs greats achievements but at the same time I have respect for the game. Drexler was an amazing player and lead the blazers to two Finals appearances. He didn't get to play with a Duncan level teammate until the end of his prime when he joined up with Hakeem. We saw what happened when those two teamed up together. If you reverse roles I don't think Manu leads the Blazers to the finals but I do believe Spurs would at a minimum win the same amount of les with Drexler or possibly even more.

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    Is not racist, you are using the race excuse to defend him, Nanci Pelosi is stupid so that makes my misogynist I guess.
    John Oliver is stupid fugly like a mole and at 41 years old you can say he has the looks of a 60 year old man, so I must be an animal hater anti british POS.

    SpursDynasty answered the rest, athletes have been not so bright for a long long time, 75% of them are broke 10 years after they retire, same with boxers and other sports.
    Is not a coincidence.
    Calling LeBron unintelligent (when he clearly is smart, he wouldn't be as successful as he is if he wasn't), is a dog-whistle for racism. Meaning, you may not think of it as saying something racist, but you're perpetuating racist stereotypes. It's similar to the word 'thug'; the word itself doesn't have any sort of race attached, but given the context of its use over the past 20 years, it now has that implication. You may not like that, but it's true.

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    Calling LeBron unintelligent (when he clearly is smart, he wouldn't be as successful as he is if he wasn't), is a dog-whistle for racism. Meaning, you may not think of it as saying something racist, but you're perpetuating racist stereotypes. It's similar to the word 'thug'; the word itself doesn't have any sort of race attached, but given the context of its use over the past 20 years, it now has that implication. You may not like that, but it's true.
    Manu is a racist he knows the deal. I would say even a dumber racist than a redneck because he's not even home grown or experienced the racial divides in America but just chooses to be a straight up bigot. He called Lebron illiterate and then tried to backtrack on some bs by deflecting and talking about how athletes end up broke. I have a hard time believing Lebron can not read or write with all the businesses he manages on the side.
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    Tbh, there are plenty of high school graduates in the US that barely know how to read. Education system in our country is broken. I am sure Lebron can read though. Lol. Athletes in the schools get special treatment from ins utions of course. You should know this unless you are not at all American.
    Can I ask you why are playing the game of deflection and trying to help Manu ? Also yes I'am a US citizen. I was born in VA but raised in NC. What you said about hschool athletes are common knowledge but that has nothing to do with Lebron. Manu said Lebron was illiterate which we know is a bunch of bs and wreaks racism.

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    Calling LeBron unintelligent (when he clearly is smart, he wouldn't be as successful as he is if he wasn't), is a dog-whistle for racism. Meaning, you may not think of it as saying something racist, but you're perpetuating racist stereotypes. It's similar to the word 'thug'; the word itself doesn't have any sort of race attached, but given the context of its use over the past 20 years, it now has that implication. You may not like that, but it's true.
    He is succesful because he is a kickass athlete and basketball player, not because of his brain.
    Never heard about those ultra sensitives rhetorics before, so you cant say someone is dumb because its black? What about JR Smith? he is dum dum.
    TD is smart.
    Denzel Washington is successful and smart, Keenen Ivory Wayans is smart, e Lee is smart but racist so how he fits in the jigsaw?

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    He is succesful because he is a kickass athlete and basketball player, not because of his brain.
    Never heard about those ultra sensitives rhetorics before, so you cant say someone is dumb because its black? What about JR Smith? he is dum dum.
    TD is smart.
    Denzel Washington is successful and smart, Keenen Ivory Wayans is smart, e Lee is smart but racist so how he fits in the jigsaw?
    There have been lots of kickass athletes in history; not all of them end up being business moguls, which is very well within LeBron's reach. Don't kid yourself; LeBron is smart, as he has leveraged his natural talents into a making himself, potentially, a billionaire.

    This isn't ultra-sensitive rhetoric: this kind of stuff harkens back to "race science", which was used to justify Enlightenment thinkers owning slaves. Unfortunately it's also been used to justify even worse things. https://www.facinghistory.org/holoca...2/science-race

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    Can I ask you why are playing the game of deflection and trying to help Manu ? Also yes I'am a US citizen. I was born in VA but raised in NC. What you said about hschool athletes are common knowledge but that has nothing to do with Lebron. Manu said Lebron was illiterate which we know is a bunch of bs and wreaks racism.
    Well. If we are going to flood this thread with political posts I thought I would try and correct some mistakes. Hope we can digress or get back on topic.

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    How is that a different comparison than this one? We are ranking sgs. Most lists rank Manu around 15 below Reggie, AI, etc.. We are arguing why Reggie and AI should be considered ahead. If we are picking on SG to win one playoff series most here would pick Manu other than KB. MJ, and probably Wade. I'd still argue Ray is in that category. Anyway. Want to give us your take? Klay and Harden as well. Keep forgetting about them.
    For the longest time Gino's on court production produced a double digit margin. His ORTG minus his DRTG was over 10 for a long span of his career. No other shooting guard can say that except Jordan. Heck, very few basketball players can say that. It only recently dipped below 10 two seasons ago. Still, say whatever you want but Manu's on court presence usually led to winning basketball. To me, the efficiency of his productivity coupled with his knack for making game winning plays in the crunch is why I would consider him a top-5 player at his position.

    You keep referencing other fans out there... but they didn't see every Spurs game - only Spurs fans can say that they were truly witness to his compe ive passion... game after game we were able to witness his free-wheeling creative pedal-to-the-metal style...
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    For the longest time Gino's on court production produced a double digit margin. His ORTG minus his DRTG was over 10 for a long span of his career. No other shooting guard can say that except Jordan. Heck, very few basketball players can say that. It only recently dipped below 10 two seasons ago. Still, say whatever you want but Manu's on court presence usually led to winning basketball. To me, the efficiency of his productivity coupled with his knack for making game winning plays in the crunch is why I would consider him a top-5 player at his position.

    You keep referencing other fans out there... but they didn't see every Spurs game - only Spurs fans can say that they were truly witness to his compe ive passion... game after game we were able to witness his free-wheeling creative pedal-to-the-metal style...
    Sigh*. I respect your opinion of him as a top 5 sg. You can't say it should be definitive and easy to call him top 5 just because you were a Spurs fan. That means you did not get a good chance to look at the other players because you were too busy watching the Spurs right? Also, SA media from what I've researched still consider George Gervin the best Spurs SG of all time. These guys probably saw both play in their lifetimes.

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    Manu is a Top-5 Spurs bench SG of all time.

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    For the longest time Gino's on court production produced a double digit margin. His ORTG minus his DRTG was over 10 for a long span of his career. No other shooting guard can say that except Jordan. Heck, very few basketball players can say that. It only recently dipped below 10 two seasons ago. Still, say whatever you want but Manu's on court presence usually led to winning basketball. To me, the efficiency of his productivity coupled with his knack for making game winning plays in the crunch is why I would consider him a top-5 player at his position.

    You keep referencing other fans out there... but they didn't see every Spurs game - only Spurs fans can say that they were truly witness to his compe ive passion... game after game we were able to witness his free-wheeling creative pedal-to-the-metal style...

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    Sigh*. I respect your opinion of him as a top 5 sg. You can't say it should be definitive and easy to call him top 5 just because you were a Spurs fan. That means you did not get a good chance to look at the other players because you were too busy watching the Spurs right? Also, SA media from what I've researched still consider George Gervin the best Spurs SG of all time. These guys probably saw both play in their lifetimes.
    I've been watching the NBA since David Robinson's rookie year. I've had NBA League Pass since it was introduced in the early 2000's. I'm not going to lie and say that your premise is false - that I mainly watched Spurs games in that span cause that is the truth. I did however witness Jordan's rise to dominance and Kobe's own ascension. Their skillsets are unique (very similar in fact since Kobe patterned it after MJ). Kobe entered the league the same year as AI and Ray Allen in 1996. I started following Ginobili from the moment he was drafted in 1999. But I also witnessed Wade's "rise" into the NBA scene [more like a parade to the free-throw line]. All to say that evaluation of their respective careers doesn't diminish any of Manu's accomplishments. Manu has graced us with utter professionalism, a willingness to leave it all on the floor, scratch, claw, poke - anything to win - all while demonstrating a flair for the unorthodox (brilliant passes, the okey-doke-made you flinch play, a crazy Euro-step, and a compe ive fire like no other).

    We don't get the complete package when talking about some of the other stars on the all-time shooting guards list.

    For example,

    Players like James Harden have had known deficiencies on the defensive end of the floor throughout his career. George Gervin fits the same mold.

    Players like Reggie Miller or Klay Thompson are elite shooters, but aren't known for being playmakers... I've always thought that Klay's defensive impact has been largely overblown (cause GSW - smh).

    Ray Allen especially from 1999 - 2007 was a very complete player on the offensive side of the floor (could create, pass, and shoot). But his production relative to Manu is higher only in proportion to having had higher usage rates and more shot attempts - not necessarily translating to wins either. His defensive instincts were not as complete as Manu's.

    I used to be a Drexler fan in the early 90's (before he became a Rocket - and an annoying broadcaster) But if pressed I wouldn't have qualms about placing him third on the all-time list. He played both sides of the ball, and was efficient about it. Unfortunately, he lived under the shadow of No. 23 his whole career and under the shadow of Magic's Showtime Lakers.

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