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    I think the Repugs would be happy convicting Trash to stop the distractions, and get compliant, quietly Useful Idiot Pence, but Mueller will have to cooperate with lots of really bad stuff, since Repugs are terrified of Trash's base.

    One problem could be that Trash-fellator Nunes will mishandle Mueller's report, no matter how much hard evidence it has, and say it's all political bull .

    Pres Pence running in 2020 would be sure loss.

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    and no one cares that you're a got, got.
    Oh noes not the ignore button

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    blake you're going on ignore from here on out... no need to waste time with sissy s like you anymore.
    Because telling the board how glad you are that someone in dead is a great use of time.

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    Don’t see it happening unless Dems take over
    even then you need like 67 votes in the senate. only possible if theres a massive economic collapse tbh. like something much worse than 2008. its a pipe dream of pipe dreams

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    During the presidency of Barack Obama.

    Immigration, war and tax cuts are three notable similarities.
    what the ?

    That you would type that shows your true character, and complete lack of intellectual honesty is your defining characteristic.
    Obama signed the extension of the GWB tax cuts. That was optional.

    Obama ramped up the drone wars in half a dozen countries, the war in Afghanistan and never fully withdrew from Iraq. The coup in Libya happened under Obama as well as the support of Al-Sisi in Egypt after the Arab spring.

    Obama voted to immunize the telecom companies when they should have been caught dead to rights violating everyones's rights in the USA.

    Obama raised immigration enforcement to to level it is today and gave DJT all the tools and facilities and policies he's using now, including family separations and family detentions.

    Obama coddled the the fraudsters and banksters who pitched the world into recession; DJT does much the same.

    Obama intensified domestic surveillance; DJT reaps the reward and the power.

    Gitmo is still open, torturing people and detaining them indefinitely after Obama promised to close it; DJT will send more people there.

    Given the chance to establish universal health care in the USA, Obama established universal insurance coverage instead, and in the process gave big wet kisses to pharma and the insurance sectors instead of controlling runaway costs.

    There are numerous similarities between Obama and Trump. The differences are mainly rhetorical. Ignoring the similarities is intellectually dishonest.

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    Obama signed the extension of the GWB tax cuts. That was optional.

    Obama ramped up the drone wars in half a dozen countries, the war in Afghanistan and never fully withdrew from Iraq. The coup in Libya happened under Obama as well as the support of Al-Sisi in Egypt after the Arab spring.

    Obama voted to immunize the telecom companies when they should have been caught dead to rights violating everyones's rights in the USA.

    Obama raised immigration enforcement to to level it is today and gave DJT all the tools and facilities and policies he's using now, including family separations and family detentions.

    Obama coddled the the fraudsters and banksters who pitched the world into recession; DJT does much the same.

    Obama intensified domestic surveillance; DJT reaps the reward and the power.

    Gitmo is still open, torturing people and detaining them indefinitely after Obama promised to close it; DJT will send more people there.

    Given the chance to establish universal health care in the USA, Obama established universal insurance coverage instead, and in the process gave big wet kisses to pharma and the insurance sectors instead of controlling runaway costs.

    There are numerous similarities between Obama and Trump. The differences are mainly rhetorical. Ignoring the similarities is intellectually dishonest.
    lmao!!

    Obama=Trump!

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    more substantive similarities than differences, tbh

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    continuity, not change

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    tell me, Aaron Y, what do you disagree with?

    did I say something you think is wrong? did I misrepresent Obama or Trump?

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    I mentioned when Trump was elected that I didn't expect the status quo from the power brokers to change, and it's difficult to discern that it has.

    His biggest domestic political achievement so far is likely the unpaid for tax cuts, his biggest domestic political failure so far is repealing/replacing barrycare (despite torpedoing as much as he can).

    In the international stage, outside giving a handjob to Israel with the embassy, there's more questions than answers: North Korea, Syria, Russia, tariffs...

    Policy-wise, he hasn't been much different of what was expected out of a Republican administration: kill anything related to climate change, undo net-neutrality, etc... stuff that don't really need Congressional votes.

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    Obama raised immigration enforcement to to level it is today and gave DJT all the tools and facilities and policies he's using now, including family separations and family detentions.

    Gitmo is still open, torturing people and detaining them indefinitely after Obama promised to close it; DJT will send more people there.

    Given the chance to establish universal health care in the USA, Obama established universal insurance coverage instead, and in the process gave big wet kisses to pharma and the insurance sectors instead of controlling runaway costs.
    Repugs refused to fund closing GITMO, were falsely terrified that those prisoners in US prisons would attract terrorists.

    Obama deported a lot but it mostly bad people. What evidence that he orphaned kids? He also implemented the DACA program.

    Obama never had a prayer, nevermind a chance. of universal health care. He didn't have 60 in the Senate to override Repugs, and BigInsurance makes govt health policy and wasn't / isn't going to let anybody decrease their profits.

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    tbh, if you think Winehole is a trumper or partisan in general, you're probably new around these here places.

    He dishes out to both sides pretty evenly, IMO.

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    Blake, do you know how impeachment works?

    If the House goes blue in November and TRIES to impeach Trump it then goes to the Senate where SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT have to vote for removal.

    Is the world so blue tinted through your cuckgoggles that you actually think that will happen?
    You do understand the difference between successful and unsuccessful impeachment, right?

    Clinton was impeached.

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    ‘You Want A Revolution?’

    Josh Bernstein Promises Bloodshed If Democrats Try To Impeach Trump

    Right-wing commentator Josh Bernstein posted a video yesterday in which he warned that

    if Democrats gain control of Congress in the midterm elections and try to impeach President Trump,

    it will lead to “the most violent, bloodiest revolution in the history in the history of the United States.”


    After declaring that liberals “hate” those who voted for Trump and will use the power of government to systemically punish them,

    Bernstein called on Republicans and conservatives to “do whatever you can”

    to prevent Democrats from winning control of Congress in the midterms or else this country is going to be torn apart.

    “We have a situation that is so desperate, so dangerous,” he warned.

    “If these people,

    God forbid,

    take over, it’s just going to be a disaster.”


    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/y...ampaign=bestof


    Trash isn't only one unhinged.



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    ‘You Want A Revolution?’

    Josh Bernstein Promises Bloodshed If Democrats Try To Impeach Trump

    Right-wing commentator Josh Bernstein posted a video yesterday in which he warned that

    if Democrats gain control of Congress in the midterm elections and try to impeach President Trump,

    it will lead to “the most violent, bloodiest revolution in the history in the history of the United States.”


    After declaring that liberals “hate” those who voted for Trump and will use the power of government to systemically punish them,

    Bernstein called on Republicans and conservatives to “do whatever you can”

    to prevent Democrats from winning control of Congress in the midterms or else this country is going to be torn apart.

    “We have a situation that is so desperate, so dangerous,” he warned.

    “If these people,

    God forbid,

    take over, it’s just going to be a disaster.”


    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/y...ampaign=bestof


    Trash isn't only one unhinged.


    We will get to see what happens.

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    even then you need like 67 votes in the senate. only possible if theres a massive economic collapse tbh. like something much worse than 2008. its a pipe dream of pipe dreams
    Mueller report lays out a VERY clear case, and more so than anything Nixon or Clinton was accused of. Multiple instances.

    Trump continues to thumb his nose at Congress, so either the GOP will have to go along with it, and allow the president to ignore Congress' oversight at will, meaning that the next Democrat who takes office gets the same ability, or they have to do something.

    At this point I would guess that impeachment will pass the house, but be delayed well into the election cycle. The spectacle of a trial, with the House going over every single change, laboriously, methodically, will keep Trump on the back foot for the entire campaign.

    At some point late this year, early next, that vote will take place, and then the Senate will be forced to consider it. I would normally consider that a sure fire fail, but am not quite so sure, given how much evidence there is of Trump doing exactly the kinds of things that the impeachment process was supposed to take care of.

    Passage will be up to Republicans of some moral courage, a quality that is very short supply for the Trump party these days. Impeachment will therefore, be more likely to fail than not, IMO.

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    The Repug Senate is a lost cause for conviction, even without DINO Senators

    But impeachment articles listing EVERYTHING both in Mueller and for the last two years suffices for me.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 04-24-2019 at 01:26 PM.

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    The Repug Senate is a lost cause, even without DINO Senators

    But impeachment articles listing EVERYTHING both in Mueller and for the last two years suffices for me.
    Muellers report explains all of the requirements for the crime of obstruction of justice -

    and what Trump is doing now "stonewalling" Congress -

    meets all of the criteria for obstruction of justice - it even mentions "judicial proceeding" and says that - that includes

    Congressional proceedings and oversight -

    So Trump is currently committing Obstruction of Justice in an Official proceeding -all over again.

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    Muellers report explains all of the requirements for the crime of obstruction of justice -

    and what Trump is doing now "stonewalling" Congress -

    meets all of the criteria for obstruction of justice - it even mentions "judicial proceeding" and says that - that includes

    Congressional proceedings and oversight -

    So Trump is currently committing Obstruction of Justice in an Official proceeding -all over again.
    Pretty much.

    The case of the tax returns puts Mnuchin in direct legal jeopardy though.

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    Pretty much.

    The case of the tax returns puts Mnuchin in direct legal jeopardy though.
    spineless prick Mnuchin has punted the Trash tax decision to Barr who will clearly block the release.

    The 1924 Anti-Corruption law giving Congress access to anybody's tax returns passed after the Harding / Repug Teapot Dome Scandal, etc.

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    spineless prick Mnuchin has punted the Trash tax decision to Barr who will clearly block the release.

    The 1924 Anti-Corruption law giving Congress access to anybody's tax returns passed after the Harding / Repug Teapot Dome Scandal, etc.
    Mnuchin is courting actually breaking the law, and may find himself criminally charged.

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    Trump would face obstruction charges if he wasn't president, prosecutors say
    Hundreds of former federal prosecutors – and counting – signed an open letter published on Monday expressing their belief that Donald Trump would have faced “multiple felony charges of obstruction of justice” if he were not president.

    Multiple aspects of Trump’s conduct described in a report of the Trump-Russia investigation submitted in March by special counsel Robert Mueller were probably criminal, the prosecutors write. Mueller had declined to weigh whether to charge Trump, citing justice department guidelines prohibiting the indictment of a sitting president.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ecutors-letter

    ... and we inch closer.

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    Obama signed the extension of the GWB tax cuts. That was optional.

    Obama ramped up the drone wars in half a dozen countries, the war in Afghanistan and never fully withdrew from Iraq. The coup in Libya happened under Obama as well as the support of Al-Sisi in Egypt after the Arab spring.

    Obama voted to immunize the telecom companies when they should have been caught dead to rights violating everyones's rights in the USA.

    Obama raised immigration enforcement to to level it is today and gave DJT all the tools and facilities and policies he's using now, including family separations and family detentions.

    Obama coddled the the fraudsters and banksters who pitched the world into recession; DJT does much the same.

    Obama intensified domestic surveillance; DJT reaps the reward and the power.

    Gitmo is still open, torturing people and detaining them indefinitely after Obama promised to close it; DJT will send more people there.

    Given the chance to establish universal health care in the USA, Obama established universal insurance coverage instead, and in the process gave big wet kisses to pharma and the insurance sectors instead of controlling runaway costs.

    There are numerous similarities between Obama and Trump. The differences are mainly rhetorical. Ignoring the similarities is intellectually dishonest.
    Have to agree on almost all the points.

    That said, Trump is orders of magnitude worse on just about all fronts.

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    Barr in contempt

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    E. Efforts to fire Mueller

    Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”

    Nexus (p. 89): “Substantial evidence” indicates that, at this point, Trump was aware that “his conduct was under investigation by a federal prosecutor who could present any evidence of federal crimes to a grand jury.”

    Intent (p. 89): “Substantial evidence indicates that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct[.]"
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruct...eport-heat-map

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