In 2016, Williams was revealed to have received several Therapeutic Use Exemptions (TUEs) from the ITF. These were made public when Russian hackers broke into the World Anti-doping Agency (WADA) database and released confidential data on 29 athletes, including TUEs for Williams and other tennis players including Venus Williams, Rafael Nadal and Petra Kvitova.
refs should not decide games
And then she tried to make herself out to be some kind of women's rights hero.
"This is outrageous!"
What a stupid .
Missed the match but I'm honestly not surprised. She's always been a poor loser and everyone always ignores it for PC reason.
She pulled the ace out of her sleeve and went sexism over racism
Muricans
She couldn't pull the race card vs an african-asian.
Doesn't really make sense tbh. The opponent is also a woman. The 'card' you're referring to would've been against the white male ref anyways.She couldn't pull the race card vs an african-asian.
Anyways like I said before, the ref pulled a built of a Joey Crawford and she had a meltdown. Too bad the discussion will be engulfed by polarized hot takes like everything else is in society.
What Joey Crawford?
Congrats to Osaka. Serena completely stole from her what should have been one of the greatest moments of her life.
LOL @ Serena's wikipedia page
Absolutely no mention of controversy surrounding her doping.
What Joey Crawford?
What the coach actually admitted to was making gestures, the actual rule governing 'coaching' means Serena would have to been aware and receiving communication. Making hand gestures isn't enough; if he was behind a pillar or in the stadium bar it wouldn't matter. The coach also said he didn't think Serena even saw his gesture, and it happens all the time. Nadal's coach does it, Federer's, etc. They showed a split screen of it in real time and Serena wasn't even looking in his direction for majority of the time and even if she did, to be certain she even knew what was happening form the far end of the court, is a stretch.
Bottom line is, ref should've let it go. Refs shouldn't be stars in the middle of matches in any sport, especially important ones w/ vague not not oft-enforced rules. To not understand the role of the umpire in this is because people who don't watch the sport are adopting hot takes (more interested in the 'HURRR SEXISM' or 'HURRR GENDER CARD' debate).
Wikipedia is a brittish MI6 website
You should know James Bond
Reminds me when Mrs. Kong joined the meetoo movement
12:53 minute mark:
What the coach actually admitted to was making gestures, the actual rule governing 'coaching' means Serena would have to been aware and receiving communication. Making hand gestures isn't enough; if he was behind a pillar or in the stadium bar it wouldn't matter. The coach also said he didn't think Serena even saw his gesture, and it happens all the time. Nadal's coach does it, Federer's, etc. They showed a split screen of it in real time and Serena wasn't even looking in his direction for majority of the time and even if she did, to be certain she even knew what was happening form the fat end of the court is a stretch.
Bottom line is, let it go. Refs shouldn't be stars in the middle of matches in any sport, especially important ones w/ vague not not oft-enforced rules. To not understand the role of the umpire in this is because people who don't watch the sport are adopting hot takes (more interested in the 'HURRR SEXISM' or 'HURRR GENDER CARD' debate).
He literally said "I'm honest, I was coaching", not "I'm honest, I was making gestures"
Serena having seen him or not is irrelevant, if the umpire sees a coach coaching he has to call it.
And Serena didn't cry for injustice of her being called for that while other players didn't, she put on that 6 yeard old child tantrum acting as if she was holier than new born babies, screaming that she wasn't a cheater and that they were not coaching. I guess she's not only a cheater but a lier too.
Also, it is a lie that umpires never call that, Nadal has been warned with coaching many times, but he never played the victim the way Serena did. Heck, on the men's final on the next day Djokovic was called for time violation (a penalty which is even rarer than coaching) and he didn't even flinch.
You let it go, Serena was being a , plain and simple.
I mean, just watch that 15 minutes long sissy act by a grown ass woman and try to tell me, with a straight face, that she is in any shape or form justified.
Well, you only got Serena to blame for that. Maybe if she would have seen this clip:
She wouldn't have played that card. Except, of course she would, because all she wanted was playing the victim.
Yeah, I watched it live. Maybe it's an English thing but to me it's clear he was answering whether or not he was stating his 'coaching' was making the gestures, not whether or not there was communication between him and Serena (see next point).12:53 minute mark:
He literally said "I'm honest, I was coaching", not "I'm honest, I was making gestures"
How do you know that tbh? Here is the rule:Serena having seen him or not is irrelevant, if the umpire sees a coach coaching he has to call it.
"Players shall not receive coaching during a match (including the warm-up). Communications of any kind, audible or visible, between a player and a coach may be construed as coaching."
There is already annoyance in the ambiguity of the rule because communication between the coach and player would be two-sided. Making a gesture at someone not looking at you doesn't necessarily qualify. There's a reason I used the CL final example - you don't have to call it. And you'd be looking at a ref who did that in a CL Final like he's an idiot son.
Which is why I said she had a tantrum. Her meltdown doesn't absolve the umpire role in not being able to control a big match. Again, hence why I mentioned I feel people can only argue with polarized hot takes.And Serena didn't cry for injustice of her being called for that while other players didn't, she put on that 6 yeard old child tantrum acting as if she was holier than new born babies, screaming that she wasn't a cheater and that they were not coaching. I guess she's not only a cheater but a lier too.
Who's argument is this addressing? Bit of a strawman tbh. My point is that it's not a common call, which is sparingly enforced, and doesn't need to be the center of a grand slam final for the reasons already stated.Also, it is a lie that umpires never call that, Nadal has been warned with coaching many times, but he never played the victim the way Serena did. Heck, on the men's final on the next day Djokovic was called for time violation (a penalty which is even rarer than coaching) and he didn't even flinch.
My 'let it go' was for the ref as I edited above. But Serena being a ' ' doesn't address my points at all (since they're not mutually exclusive). Again, illustrates to me that people are more interested in being on one side of the debate than actually knowing the sport. Reminds of when the idiot woman ref actually called indirect FK in the women's WC semis against CanadaYou let it go, Serena was being a , plain and simple.
He clearly said "I was coaching", I don't know what other twist you want to find there, tbh.
If an umpire sees a coach giving instructions to his/her player he has to call it. The umpire can't go into subjective appreciations of whether the player indeed heard/or saw the instruction. If a coach is coaching, then he/she is committing a violation and should be penalized via his/her player.How do you know that tbh? Here is the rule:
"Players shall not receive coaching during a match (including the warm-up). Communications of any kind, audible or visible, between a player and a coach may be construed as coaching."
There is already annoyance in the ambiguity of the rule because communication between the coach and player would be two-sided. Making a gesture at someone not looking at you doesn't necessarily qualify. There's a reason I used the CL final example - you don't have to call it. And you'd be looking at a ref who did that in a CL Final like he's an idiot son.
But on this case, the umpire did absolutely nothing wrong. The only possible controversy was cleared by Serena's own coach. Ramos even tried to calm Serena but telling her that he understood that maybe she didn't see her coach's instruction, but he had to call what he saw anyways. The other two infractions were flagrant and obvious and the rule is pretty clear: first, warning; second, point penalty; and third, game penalty.Which is why I said she had a tantrum. Her meltdown doesn't absolve the umpire role in not being able to control a big match. Again, hence why I mentioned I feel people can only argue with polarized hot takes
Time violation is also sparingly enforced, and Djokovic was called with one of those on the men's final. Yet it wasn't the center of a grand slam final, because Djokovic didn't react to it like Serena did. Serena was the one that caused that call to be the center of the final.Who's argument is this addressing? Bit of a strawman tbh. My point is that it's not a common call, which is sparingly enforced, and doesn't need to be the center of a grand slam final for the reasons already stated.
I have a problem with trying to split the blame, when this was 100% Serena's fault.My 'let it go' was for the ref as I edited above. But Serena being a ' ' doesn't address my points at all (since they're not mutually exclusive). Again, illustrates to me that people are more interested in being on one side of the debate than actually knowing the sport. Reminds of when the idiot woman ref actually called indirect FK in the women's WC semis against Canada
She couldn't pull the race card vs an african-asian.
Good on Frank Isola for going against the grain on ATH right now and not bowing down to Queen Serena. Stupid ass Clinton Yates was so offended
Always been a big fan of Serena, too. This tirade left a really bad taste in my mouth. I hate that she ruined Osaka's moment and is now getting credit for her warming embrace and words after the match
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