Dallas cop fearing for her life shoots scary black man in apartment

[Winehole23]

esprit d'corps takes many forms

[FrostKing]

esprit d'corps takes many forms

Sure but I imagine some players (#16) feel they went to the club and a football practice broke out

[Winehole23]

uh huh.

do you have a topical take?

[boutons_deux]

more boutons sloppy seconds.

I don't wade through pages of asinine urine-soaked bull , so I intentional skip, ignore most of the pissers.

[spurraider21]

I take it you are studying law - IIRC -
what do you think happened?

Manslaughter?
Something worse?

i just looked up the texas penal code

but imo she should be tried for murder and manslaughter, and see which charge sticks

[pgardn]

What you described isn't what El was talking about. He was talking about killing a "suspect". The vic in the OP seems to be getting treated as a possible suspect. If at one point she was on the up and up, and thought she was facing a home invader, he was a suspect for intents and purposes. The women homey killed likely weren't suspects. He will be tried as a civilian and likely get the death penalty. The female cop has "muh duty" to fall back on and cops naturally get the benefit of doubt when the other side is deceased and there are no material witnesses.

Just to fling my hat into the guessing game ring - Deceased was noisy, female cop wanted to pay him a visit to tell him who she was and to let him know she can't have that noise while she's trying to sleep. She approaches appt, beats on door. Dude comes to door, opens it, they get into an argument and he goes to his bedroom and re-emerges. She thinks he's armed, she shoots him.

Just a WAG

She also moved her car to his floor to back up the mixed up claim.

[pgardn]

I don't wade through pages of asinine urine-soaked bull , so I intentional skip, ignore most of the pissers.

Kinda like the board does on your redlining the Vox and Vanity Fair articles.
Good deal.

[Spurs Homer]

i just looked up the texas penal code

but imo she should be tried for murder and manslaughter, and see which charge sticks

Is that allowable? I was - guessing really - that if they try for a Murder and fail? They cannot just go down the line can they? I am guessing again that the reason they go for the lesser charge is because the burden of proof has a better chance of being met. A Murder charge would absolutely have a higher burden of proof if I remember my basic college course accurately lol.

Plus what basis for Murder? You believe she wanted to kill him? I am starting to think - why would she even want to murder someone? Doesn't pass the smell test. Why work (15 hr days) and live in an Apt and be a working stiff if you hate and disrespect the law? Maybe I am naive.

[Spurs Homer]

She also moved her car to his floor to back up the mixed up claim.

Is this true? Did that come out?

[koriwhat]

I agree - and did not mean to imply - her story was a fact. I meant it as - so far- this is the story until the investigation concludes.

Who knows - she could be a murderer. I do think - right now - it points to Manslaughter but let us see if her story holds up.

she is a murderer and you keep making excuses for her. ing unbelievable.

[koriwhat]

Kinda like the board does on your redlining the Vox and Vanity Fair articles.
Good deal.

for ing real! looney tunes boutons and his pile of far left face "sources"!

[spurraider21]

Is that allowable? I was - guessing really - that if they try for a Murder and fail? They cannot just go down the line can they? I am guessing again that the reason they go for the lesser charge is because the burden of proof has a better chance of being met. A Murder charge would absolutely have a higher burden of proof if I remember my basic college course accurately lol.

Plus what basis for Murder? You believe she wanted to kill him? I am starting to think - why would she even want to murder someone? Doesn't pass the smell test. Why work (15 hr days) and live in an Apt and be a working stiff if you hate and disrespect the law? Maybe I am naive.

she fired a gun intending to kill him. you're confusing intent with pre-meditation

[DMC]

Ok. You completely discount all her statement and invent your own. Not disagreeing - you might be correct.
I know there should be high skepticism on a cops actions -and I know I am conflating different topics, but I have to ask:

Where was this skepticism on the Trump/Russia issue?
You completely give a yuuuge benefit of the doubt to Trump and his team, you discount the crimes as either minor crimes and/or HRC or Obama did the same thing and even in the face of public evidence you completely refuse to believe Trump is guilty of anything. You completely think that the left is making up crimes.

Here, you completely discount the cops story and pretty much think she went out of her way to murder someone?
You think she is lying and making up . You believe Trump team denials?

Non sequitur response is non sequitur

[DMC]

she fired a gun intending to kill him. you're confusing intent with pre-meditation

Technically this isn't necessarily true. Cops are taught they shoot to stop someone, not to kill them. That seems like a small difference but it's an important one.

[Spurs Homer]

she fired a gun intending to kill him. you're confusing intent with pre-meditation

Ok - but doesn't a jury get to decide if they buy her story or not?
If they buy the story - then they will have to conclude that she was in the mindset that some intruder was in HER apt and she was in her official capacity - stopping a crime.

If they call BS on her story - then the jury would have to believe she murdered the man for absolutely - what reason?
I am interested how this plays out - seems like - based on available info it is not clear cut.

[Spurs Homer]

she is a murderer and you keep making excuses for her. ing unbelievable.

Isn't this how it works? You find out the entire evidence and then decide?
You exonerated Kavanaugh just yesterday and called Dems all kinds of names for inventing stories.
Today - the accuser revealed herself. She is a professor now. She says a lot of that leads a reasonable person to believe Kavanaugh is a pos.

I am not making excuses for the cop and if she really murdered him -so be it. Throw the book at her.
Except - the facts have not come out yet. I think she is guilty - of at least Manslaughter.
I am open to the fact that it might be murder.

I am not CONCLUDING anything yet.

[ElNono]

In common law, yes. Texas doesn’t parce between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. Their manslaughter statute just says to recklessly cause the death of another.

“Capital murder” is their version of first degree murder and “murder” is their second degree (though still a first degree felony, carries lighter sentences). This can include intent to cause serious bodily injury that results in the persons death. If they argue adequate provocation or sudden passion it is still murder but drops to a second degree felony.

Cant see how this qualifies as reckless tbh

Thanks scrah. I think intent is clear for what we read so far (how was this not escalated to the feds, tbh? Any State forensic report should be considered dubious/tainted at best at this point, considering the Rangers lethargy).

Obviously once a judge gets their hands on the case, we'll see how it develops.

[Fabbs]

Thanks scrah. I think intent is clear for what we read so far (how was this not escalated to the feds, tbh? Any State forensic report should be considered dubious/tainted at best at this point, considering the Rangers lethargy).

Obviously once a judge gets their hands on the case, we'll see how it develops.

The one black dude lawyer on her team seems to be a heavy hitter. The deceased (his relatives and close friends) are gonna need bucks and competence to fight the system. Has a GoFund or otherwise been set up for him?

[ElNono]

Technically this isn't necessarily true. Cops are taught they shoot to stop someone, not to kill them. That seems like a small difference but it's an important one.

As far as intent goes, the central question is if there was willful intention to shoot the victim or not (accidental discharge, etc). 'Shoot to kill' is police jargon for using deadly force (in this case a gun), but for all intents and purposes indicates willful intent.

[ElNono]

Ok - but doesn't a jury get to decide if they buy her story or not?
If they buy the story - then they will have to conclude that she was in the mindset that some intruder was in HER apt and she was in her official capacity - stopping a crime.

If they call BS on her story - then the jury would have to believe she murdered the man for absolutely - what reason?
I am interested how this plays out - seems like - based on available info it is not clear cut.

A jury will be convened, like any other trial, unless she cuts a deal with the prosecution first. The thing is that any normal citizen would be charged with everything possible under the book, and then eventually the jury will decide what makes sense based on the facts. By discarding murder from the get go, that's not happening here, even though, at first sight, looks like it would apply to any other citizen.

Again, we're just talking about what she was charged with, which looks fairly lenient, and the -show that the investigation has been so far. Obviously, there's a much longer road ahead.

[Spurs Homer]

A jury will be convened, like any other trial, unless she cuts a deal with the prosecution first. The thing is that any normal citizen would be charged with everything possible under the book, and then eventually the jury will decide what makes sense based on the facts. By discarding murder from the get go, that's not happening here, even though, at first sight, looks like it would apply to any other citizen.

Again, we're just talking about what she was charged with, which looks fairly lenient, and the -show that the investigation has been so far. Obviously, there's a much longer road ahead.

I was under the impression that they can still decide to charge her with murder???

I don't see why they would be tied to a charge yet - before all the evidence is reviewed and a preliminary investigation is completed?

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[spurraider21]

Technically this isn't necessarily true. Cops are taught they shoot to stop someone, not to kill them. That seems like a small difference but it's an important one.

the murder statute applies even if you intend to cause serious bodily injury and end up killing them

[spurraider21]

Ok - but doesn't a jury get to decide if they buy her story or not?
If they buy the story - then they will have to conclude that she was in the mindset that some intruder was in HER apt and she was in her official capacity - stopping a crime.

If they call BS on her story - then the jury would have to believe she murdered the man for absolutely - what reason?
I am interested how this plays out - seems like - based on available info it is not clear cut.

i dont think she has denied intending to hit him with the bullet tbh

like if she says she meant to fire a warning shot into the ceiling and didnt intend him to get hit, that's one thing. but she pulled the trigger intending to put him down

[Trainwreck2100]

i think it's stupid how we are debating intent and , when she trespassed into a guy's home and clapped his ass.