Brett Kavanaugh now under FBI investigation

[Winehole23]

in a political proceeding -- like a Senate confirmation hearing -- standards of proof don't apply.

if Senators decide they find either the candidate or the accuser credible or not credible, that's all the information needed.

[Spurs Homer]

We all suspect that Trump is a womanizer at least and who knows if he has done unwanted groping, but it wouldn't surprise anyone. The problem is that the American public knew that going in and still voted for him. Apparently, we have a lower standard for a president than the Supreme Court.

But to say K sexually assaulted a woman with no proof other than an allegation is nonsense. You have no reason to base your conclusion other than pure political bias. A person should be innocent until proven guilty and should have his day in hearing and hear his side before you make a conclusion. At least if you are being honest.

GTFO.
Trump has sexually assaulted over 15 women and raped a child (13 yo) whom he then threatened to have her family killed if her family didn't take the money he gave them and stfu. Trumps ex accused him officially of rape - and he also paid her off to remove that do ent from the record.
We don't know that the American people voted for trump because officially he got 3 million less votes - plus help from the Russians.

This victim has a therapist and a husband that corroborates she was going through issues for years. She has passed a lie detector test given by an FBI agent and do ented. K idiot friend bragged about him and K drinking regularly until they blacked out and didn't know what happened afterwards. This idiot then says that this incident didn't happen!

K also perjured himself several times while testifying under oath to congress on two different occasions (at least).
Republicans only released 7% out of 100% of K do ents for a proper vetting. You think it might be too ing much to ask that they at least pick a qualified candidate and vet him properly without rushing a questionable candidate through while simultaneously refusing to even hold an interview or a hearing for Merrick Garland?

[cd98]

GTFO.
Trump has sexually assaulted over 15 women and raped a child (13 yo) whom he then threatened to have her family killed if her family didn't take the money he gave them and stfu. Trumps ex accused him officially of rape - and he also paid her off to remove that do ent from the record.
We don't know that the American people voted for trump because officially he got 3 million less votes - plus help from the Russians.

This victim has a therapist and a husband that corroborates she was going through issues for years. She has passed a lie detector test given by an FBI agent and do ented. K idiot friend bragged about him and K drinking regularly until they blacked out and didn't know what happened afterwards. This idiot then says that this incident didn't happen!

K also perjured himself several times while testifying under oath to congress on two different occasions (at least).
Republicans only released 7% out of 100% of K do ents for a proper vetting. You think it might be too ing much to ask that they at least pick a qualified candidate and vet him properly without rushing a questionable candidate through while simultaneously refusing to even hold an interview or a hearing for Merrick Garland?

Sorry, but you are lost in partisan bias. First, K's name was not mentioned in the therapist notes and there is a discrepancy between those notes and the story being told. Second, a lie detector test is not competent evidence as it can be manipulated and it also depends on the way questions are asked. Third, drinking doesn't mean someone is a rapist. Fourth, he didn't commit rape and is not alleged to have committed rape. Fifth, in the law, this amounts to nothing more than a he said/she said and would never be prosecuted because there is no way to get beyond a reasonable doubt.

As to your Trump stories, I put nothing past the guy, but most of what you write sounds like it came straight out of a liberal conspiracy site not unlike the ones that popped up about Obama being born in Kenya. I would suggest you steer clear of those allegations in any credible argument because you won't be taken and should not be taken serious.

[cd98]

in a political proceeding -- like a Senate confirmation hearing -- standards of proof don't apply.

if Senators decide they find either the candidate or the accuser credible or not credible, that's all the information needed.

You are right that standards of proof do not apply, but I think you need to hear both sides because just because she may seem credible does not mean that Kavanaugh wouldn't seem credible either. If it's a draw, how can you deny someone a job on an allegation that has no proof other than he said/she said. I mean, maybe in today's world you can, but if that is the case, then it is a sad day when the mere allegation with no proof is enough to get anyone fired. I would agree that the Me Too moment has its reasons, but based on what I have heard so far, these would be an example of overreaching.

[koriwhat]

your hypocritical ass was praying to Kori for relief against posters who say mean things last week.

i could not care less to cry to kori about anything. you're just soft and think all men are the same.

[pgardn]

He didn't admit anything. He said that if the women he took said photos felt that way that he respects it and apologized for anything he might have done wrong that made them feel uncomfortable.Totally different than saying yeah I grabbed pussy, my bad. He also resigned after being piled on by his own party.The difference here is that the GOP is still excusing attempted rape.

So apologizing for groping is not admission.Got it.

[Reck]

So apologizing for groping is not admission.Got it.

You can apologize for making someone uncomfortable and still think/know you did nothing wrong.

Some people are more sensitive than others. Apparently you need to go out more and socialize a bit more.

[Winehole23]

You are right that standards of proof do not apply, but I think you need to hear both sides because just because she may seem credible does not mean that Kavanaugh wouldn't seem credible either. If it's a draw, how can you deny someone a job on an allegation that has no proof other than he said/she said.

Employers don't generally need any reason not to hire someone. If they don't like you or don't trust you for whatever reason that's enough. Same for Senate confirmations. Senators are guided ultimately not by fairness or judicial standards of proof, but by their own consciences.

I heard Kavanaugh and his accuser will both be heard by the Judiciary Committee. We'll see.

Supposing Senators don't already have their minds made up (which would be my guess), it will come down to whether a couple of Republican Senators find Kavanaugh, or his accuser, more credible.

[Winehole23]

..or think #metoo us sufficient political cover to buck their own party

[cd98]

Employers don't generally need any reason not to hire someone. If they don't like you or don't trust you for whatever reason that's enough. Same for Senate confirmations. Senators are guided ultimately not by fairness or procedural rules, but by their own conscience.

I heared Kavanaugh and his accuser will both be heard by the Judiciary Committee. We'll see.

Supposing Senators don't already have their minds made up (which would be my guess), it will come down to whether a couple of Republican Senators find Kavanaugh, or his accuser, more credible.

I agree that it will be the case and I think there needs to be a hearing. I'm just saying that it sets a dangerous precedence that the mere allegation with really no evidence to support the allegation can deny a person a job. I mean, if there were evidence that he did it to other women or some other type of evidence, then maybe. But solely based on what we have now, that is a dangerous precedence if you are a man because false accusations by women happen often.

[Winehole23]

If her allegation is bona fide, coming forward is the right thing to do. Rapists shouldn't be allowed to become high officials unchallenged.

Kavanaugh's accuser has exposed herself to social opprobrium and worse. The threat to her will not vanish if Kavanaugh is confirmed.

The danger for Kavanaugh is not getting a job.

[Winehole23]

a lot of 17 year olds face life-altering consequences for youthful indiscretions like rape and sexual assault.

Kavanaugh faces a lucrative career as a lawyer, a book deal, and beaucoup TV appearances if he is held accountable.

[pgardn]

You can apologize for making someone uncomfortable and still think/know you did nothing wrong.

Some people are more sensitive than others. Apparently you need to go out more and socialize a bit more.

Oh

Cool

So when you go out you casually grope or really don’t know if you are and then apologize anyway

Of the other groping accusations, Mr. Franken said he simply did not remember the episodes, but he did not contest the women’s accounts.

Don’t make me sick.

Now, who needs to get out ?
I bet you’re the life of the party.

[DarrinS]

Evidently, he really likes Maura’s.

[pgardn]

Al Franken May have groped.
But he does not remember so he apologizes.
Not remembering is only a red team ploy for some.
Well it’s not. It works for blue too.

[Winehole23]

Doug Ginzberg withdrew because he smoked a little pot. Not declaring the nanny for Social Security taxes sunk Lani Guinier.

Sexual assault, if Senators believe it happened or disbelieve Kavanaugh, is a good enough reason not to confirm.

[cd98]

If her allegation is bona fide, coming forward is the right thing to do. Rapists shouldn't be allowed to become high officials unchallenged.

Kavanaugh's accuser has exposed herself to social opprobrium and worse. The threat to her will not vanish if Kavanaugh is confirmed.

The danger for Kavanaugh is not getting a job.

Well she also becomes a hero of the left. And she will be given every platform to tell her story and get paid a lot of money to do it. While I agree that rapists shouldn't be allowed to hold high office, one, it is not alleged that he committed rape and two, we do not know if her story is true or if even if they were in the same room as she described, that the interaction went as she claims it did.

Plus, in the Me Too era, I'm seeing accusers being deified while those that are accused are condemned, and in same cases, condemned unfairly.

[Winehole23]

who got accused unfairly?

[pgardn]

Well she also becomes a hero of the left. And she will be given every platform to tell her story and get paid a lot of money to do it. While I agree that rapists shouldn't be allowed to hold high office, one, it is not alleged that he committed rape and two, we do not know if her story is true or if even if they were in the same room as she described, that the interaction went as she claims it did.

Plus, in the Me Too era, I'm seeing accusers being deified while those that are accused are condemned, and in same cases, condemned unfairly.

Apparently the lady went to years of counseling.
False accusations occurred well before the me to movement.

It is highly possible women are feeling more emboldened to come out with this information because of the movement and of course some are going to be false. The false accusations are absolutely horrid as people who are telling the truth get hurt badly by this.

So here we go.
Let him take a polygraph as well.

[cd98]

who got accused unfairly?

Aziz Ansari and Ed Westwick.

[cd98]

Apparently the lady went to years of counseling.
False accusations occurred well before the me to movement.

It is highly possible women are feeling more emboldened to come out with this information because of the movement and of course some are going to be false. The false accusations are absolutely horrid as people who are telling the truth get hurt badly by this.

So here we go.
Let him take a polygraph as well.

Problem is that polygraphs are not reliable and are not even admissible in court. Also, I believe that she went to years of counseling that was unrelated to this accusation. I think the accusation came out in one of the counseling sessions, but with facts that are slightly different than the story that is being told now.

[pgardn]

Problem is that polygraphs are not reliable and are not even admissible in court. Also, I believe that she went to years of counseling that was unrelated to this accusation. I think the accusation came out in one of the counseling sessions, but with facts that are slightly different than the story that is being told now.

They are not in court.

Then let us proceed with her story and his.
Because people are taking her as credible it appears.
She has told her lawyer and senators a lot more than we know.
So let the public hear from her and let him deny.

[cd98]

They are not in court.

Then let us proceed with her story and his.
Because people are taking her as credible it appears.
She has told her lawyer and senators a lot more than we know.
So let the public hear from her and let him deny.

I think they are scheduling a hearing. Credibility? Well I think people on the left have decided Karavaugh is a rapist. I think most reasoned people recognize that an allegation has been made and that they will hear it out before they decide if it is credible or not.

[Reck]

Oh

Cool

So when you go out you casually grope or really don’t know if you are and then apologize anyway

Of the other groping accusations, Mr. Franken said he simply did not remember the episodes, but he did not contest the women’s accounts.

Don’t make me sick.

Now, who needs to get out ?
I bet you’re the life of the party.

The farther these women went and had was that he grabbed them at the wrong place while taking a picture with him.

Dont be more more of a joke than you already are, guy.

Assuming he did grabbed their s or ass inadvertently, doesn't mean he's a serial sexual assaulter or that he did it on purpose.

By my recollection, there were only 2 credible women who came forward, one of them being the one where he's "grabbing" the s of a sleeping woman and the other where he's assumed to be grabbing some chick's ass but cannot be seen.

Dude took hundreds of pictures with people. He's not going to refute every single one of those occasions one by one. Instead he did the sensible thing which was to apologize and move on. And resign.

Get your head out of your ass. Franken's situation is nothing like Trump's or Kavanaugh's.

Grabbing girls by the pussy vs attempted rape vs grabbing ass.

Pick your poison little virgin got.

[boutons_deux]

Believe the women. Almost none them report "legitimate rape", and there are infinitesimal percentage of false claims.

Why would this Stanford professor go through this ordeal, sustain Anita-Hill-ing from the Repug misogynists?

What's in it for her?

"Who is the accuser?

Ford is a professor and research psychologist in Northern California at Palo Alto University and the Stanford University PsyD Consortium,

a clinical psychology program where she teaches statistics, research methods and psychometrics.

She has been widely published in her field and, according to a 2016 book she co-authored,

her consultation area of expertise is

the interaction between pharmaceutical companies and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

Ford received her PhD from the University of Southern California,

master's degrees from Stanford University and Pepperdine University, and

her bachelor's degree from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill."

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/17/64880...-sexual-assaul

... but somehow rat er political hack K is a rape-denier whom the Repugs, and of pussy grabber Trash, believe.