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    Unfair characterization. She's the one starting the circus.
    Really? You never heard of Anita Hill? You need to go check Clarence Thomas' confirmation hearing. This isn't even remotely new. Partisan politics are a completely different beast.

    Naive to think this confirmation would be a breeze, especially with elections coming soon.

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    Really? You never heard of Anita Hill? You need to go check Clarence Thomas' confirmation hearing. This isn't even remotely new. Partisan politics are a completely different beast.

    Naive to think this confirmation would be a breeze, especially with elections coming soon.
    Would have been no circus without her willingly being a cog, decades after the fact.

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    Would have been no circus without her willingly being a cog, decades after the fact.
    There was circus since the hearing and prior to this allegation. Look up Corey Booker and Kamala Harris just on this forum alone.

    Plus, she didn't introduce the allegation, another Senator did. Again, partisan politics at it's finest.

    I'm sure an educated judge like him understood the risks he is/was taking. He had the option to decline the nomination, but choose to go through the mud. I still think it'll pay off for him.

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    There was circus since the hearing and prior to this allegation. Look up Corey Booker and Kamala Harris just on this forum alone.

    Plus, she didn't introduce the allegation, another Senator did. Again, partisan politics at it's finest.

    I'm sure an educated judge like him understood the risks he is/was taking. He had the option to decline the nomination, but choose to go through the mud. I still think it'll pay off for him.
    That was nothing in comparison. That was just partisan posturing.

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    That was nothing in comparison. That was just partisan posturing.
    It's all the same: a show for the court of public opinion. That's what political processes are, all about optics.

    If we want to get to the nitty gritty and really find out what's 'true', you have to go through a formal process, ie: a trial.

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    It's all the same: a show for the court of public opinion. That's what political processes are, all about optics.

    If we want to get to the nitty gritty and really find out what's 'true', you have to go through a formal process, ie: a trial.
    It was on a partisan bickering level before. Painting someone as a sexual predator is beyond the pale. Just cos Dems have done it in the past doesn't mean it is to be "expected" or justified under "signed up for".

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    Look, you're worried some people will have the wrong opinion that he's a rapist, because you've an opinion that she's a liar. That whole construction is entirely conjecture on both sides of the coin, based clearly on missing pieces of information.

    It's character destruction at it's finest, played for the court of public opinion. This is no different than the Obama birther claims until a birth certificate came up.

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    Look, you're worried some people will have the wrong opinion that he's a rapist, because you've an opinion that she's a liar. That whole construction is entirely conjecture on both sides of the coin, based clearly on missing pieces of information.

    It's character destruction at it's finest, played for the court of public opinion. This is no different than the Obama birther claims until a birth certificate came up.
    I agree with you to a point on your opening. Your comparison is way off though. Americans have a right to know that their president is a citizen even regardless of whether the attacks were spurious or not. Sexual accusations is something else.

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    I agree with you to a point on your opening. Your comparison is way off though. Americans have a right to know that their president is a citizen even regardless of whether the attacks were spurious or not. Sexual accusations is something else.
    There's nothing off about it. Exploiting the time between the explosive allegations are made until the matter is settled to influence the public is a tried and true strategy. In the birther case, they ended up looking like fools at the end of it all, but the chicanery lasted for a while, and clearly got some people excited.

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    There's nothing off about it. Exploiting the time between the explosive allegations are made until the matter is settled to influence the public is a tried and true strategy. In the birther case, they ended up looking like fools at the end of it all, but the chicanery lasted for a while, and clearly got some people excited.
    Yea, they looked like fools cos Obama released a fake birth certificate.

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    Yea, they looked like fools cos Obama released a fake birth certificate.
    Wait, you think Obama released a fake birth certificate?

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    All is right. Ford will testify. If she fills in the holes with verifiable facts, then Kavanaugh has a chance to respond. Let’s get everyone under oath and let’s get all these he facts on the table so we can all stop speculating.

    Hopefully both sides will be respectful to each person testifying and we can leave politics out of this. I doubt it, but I hope that is the case.

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    If not true, sure, it sucks. Realistically, however, he has more than just monetary solutions to this problem. A judge can order Ms Ford to write a retraction letter, and to disseminate it among the public. Snopes would carry it, I'm sure (snark comment for the lols).

    Let me 'blame the alleged victim' here for a second: Brett Kavanaugh walked into this circus willingly. Unlike the alleged rape victim, he had a choice.
    They both chose to enter the public sphere. What will likely happen is that Ford won’t give any verifiable facts, but will give an emotional testimony that will be deemed by half the country to be credible. Kavanaugh will testify with aplomb and conviction and half the country will believe him. There will be no evidence. And it will be a tough vote for enough Senators to not make it a done deal. And regardless half the the country will act like Kavanaugh is a rapist for the rest of his life, which will be awkward given he has a lifetime appointment already as a federal judge. Half the country will think Ford lies. She’ll be despised by the right, but a hero of the left and she will become a big activist in politics. That’s my prediction.

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    All is right. Ford will testify. If she fills in the holes with verifiable facts, then Kavanaugh has a chance to respond. Let’s get everyone under oath and let’s get all these he facts on the table so we can all stop speculating.

    Hopefully both sides will be respectful to each person testifying and we can leave politics out of this. I doubt it, but I hope that is the case.
    Not gonna happen. You can take that to the bank.

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    They both chose to enter the public sphere. What will likely happen is that Ford won’t give any verifiable facts, but will give an emotional testimony that will be deemed by half the country to be credible. Kavanaugh will testify with aplomb and conviction and half the country will believe him. There will be no evidence. And it will be a tough vote for enough Senators to not make it a done deal. And regardless half the the country will act like Kavanaugh is a rapist for the rest of his life, which will be awkward given he has a lifetime appointment already as a federal judge. Half the country will think Ford lies. She’ll be despised by the right, but a hero of the left and she will become a big activist in politics. That’s my prediction.
    Not the bold prediction you think it is. That's pretty standard. Except the half vs. half thing is probably an overstated narrative that the media loves to sell. Truth is there's a uva lot of apathy in a middle that is bigger than anything.

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    All is right. Ford will testify. If she fills in the holes with verifiable facts, then Kavanaugh has a chance to respond. Let’s get everyone under oath and let’s get all these he facts on the table so we can all stop speculating.

    Hopefully both sides will be respectful to each person testifying and we can leave politics out of this. I doubt it, but I hope that is the case.
    except - no witness testimony & no fbi investigation - rigged

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    except - no witness testimony & no fbi investigation - rigged
    If Ford is serious, she’ll take up the Maryland police’s offer. We’ll see.

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    If Ford is serious, she’ll take up the Maryland police’s offer. We’ll see.

    she will
    it will be on grassley

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    Fake rape lawyer Debra Katz is seen wearing radical socialist power fist t-shirt while calling for resistance against the Presidency.

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    Fake rape lawyer Debra Katz is seen wearing radical socialist power fist t-shirt while calling for resistance against the Presidency.
    True to form.

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    From Politico:

    Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said that “as soon as Democrats get gavels,” the party will vet the FBI’s handling of Ford’s claim against the Supreme Court nominee — even if Kavanaugh is already seated on the high court by that time. Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), who sits on the House Judiciary Committee, also said in an interview that the party could probe Kavanaugh’s denials of the allegations against him.

    “If they ramrod this nomination through, and we win the majority, we can still investigate this on the House side, and certainly the question as to whether a Supreme Court justice committed perjury is something you could look at,” Swalwell said in an interview. “Hopefully it doesn’t come to that; hopefully they do this right.”

    “Because,” he added, “it’s going to get investigated either way and it would be better not to have to investigate a sitting judge.”

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    Oh cool Chris has a problem with democrats doing exactly what the republicans have been doing to them for decades.

    Chris faux outrage is cute.

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