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    Republican jock-sniffers are going to moan and wail when when the Dems pull a Garland on one of yours
    I fully expect it. Just like Democrats regret changing the rules for judicial appointments to be approved with simple majorities.

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    which itself was a reaction to indiscriminate GOP filibusters.

    it's recriminations all the way down.

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    "they did it first" is not only preschool politics, it's the politics of our most exalted political ins utions.

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    Statement from Leland Keyser's attorney: "Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford."

    Having no recollection does not equal the party never happened.
    Stay strong.

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    Innocent until proven guilty is outdated. The progressives have moved on from that measly standard.

    Out: Innocent until proven guilty.
    In: Just believe all women.


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    Innocent until proven guilty is outdated. The progressives have moved on from that measly standard.

    Out: Innocent until proven guilty.
    In: Just believe all women.

    unfair to be sure, but legal standards of proof do not and have never applied to confirmation hearings.

    the Judiciary Committee isn't a court of law, it's a political body. the parameters of what it does is determined less and less by norms of deference and civility and more and more by pure political considerations for which both sides bear ample responsibility.

    they'll just have to muddle through the best they can.

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    Seems everyone (even her friends) are either denying or not recalling the situation. Not a good look for the "just believe her" crowd tbh imho

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    Kavanaugh will have to defend himself against an unsupported allegation of sexual assault, and also against inferences that he knew about and condoned Red team's galactically inept 11th hour smear campaign.

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    Seems everyone (even her friends) are either denying or not recalling the situation. Not a good look for the "just believe her" crowd tbh imho
    Typical red team response. Just because the other four people she claims were at the "party" all either deny it outright or say they never remember it happening you are still supposed to believe her without question.

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    Well he's already defending himself against unsupported allegations. There is no doubt about that.

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    Her female friend has to be a liar.

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    Typical red team response. Just because the other four people she claims were at the "party" all either deny it outright or say they never remember it happening you are still supposed to believe her without question.

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    Typical red team response. Just because the other four people she claims were at the "party" all either deny it outright or say they never remember it happening you are still supposed to believe her without question.
    are they supposed to disbelieve her without question?

    do you remember parties from 35 years ago where nothing memorable happened to you?

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    Her female friend has to be a liar.
    no one here has suggested that, except for you. has someone else called her friends liars?

    be specific, if you can.

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    are they supposed to disbelieve her without question?

    do you remember parties from 35 years ago where nothing memorable happened to you?
    She did more than claiming no memory of the party. She claimed not having memory of ever being at a gathering with him.

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    Zero corroborating witnesses?

    Good luck with that

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    Ford raised the allegation, she should be given the opportunity to lay out her story. At this point, we are all speculating because we don’t know the whole story Ford has to say. I think she’s lost credibility by handling this in a political way and by presenting no verifiable facts. But I would have to assume before she named her lifelong friend as a witness that she at least talked to her to see if she remembered. She had to know her friend would not corroborate her story before she came public, right? That raises enough questions in my mind that she must be heard. Maybe she’s just crazy, but maybe there is more to the story that we are yet to hear.

    Right now her story is highly suspect, but you have to see her hand to know if she was bluffing or not.

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    for better and for worse, Kavanaugh still has to defend himself. not just against Ford's allegations, but against the inference that he knew about and condoned Ed Whelan's smear campaign. it ain't all about Ford.

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    Kavanaugh has to count to 50, Ford doesn't.

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    In one key call, Kavanaugh told Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) that Ford had the wrong guy in mind, saying he had not attended a party like the one she described to The Washington Post. He and his allies also privately discussed a defense that would raise doubts that the attacker was Kavanaugh, rather than try to dispute that an incident involving Ford had happened.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...3da_story.html

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    there was a fight over whether or not there would be a public hearing.

    there will be one because "several" Republican senators have insisted on it.

    apparently, the GOP can't get to 50 votes without one.

    McGahn was originally opposed to a public hearing — as were many within the orbit of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) — but it became clear one would have to happen, two people familiar with their comments said. Ford, through her attorneys, said she would be willing to testify publicly, and several potential pivotal votes, such as Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), signaled that his confirmation could not move forward unless Ford was given a public airing.
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    The fact that Kavanaugh or anyone associated with him floated an alternate possibility rather than just denying it and leaving it at that doesn’t make Ford’s claim credible. He has very little information to mount a defense. A typical defense strategy is to try and see if mistaken iden y could explain the allegation. That’s common especially when the allegations are based on memory only. The problem is not only did it not remove all doubt like it was hyped to do, but he pointed the finger of blame at someone else with the same flimsy and mostly unverified claims. That he would mount a defense if he thought he was innocent is elementary and the obvious thing to do.

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    The fact that Kavanaugh or anyone associated with him floated an alternate possibility rather than just denying it and leaving it at that doesn’t make Ford’s claim credible. He has very little information to mount a defense. A typical defense strategy is to try and see if mistaken iden y could explain the allegation. That’s common especially when the allegations are based on memory only. The problem is not only did it not remove all doubt like it was hyped to do, but he pointed the finger of blame at someone else with the same flimsy and mostly unverified claims. That he would mount a defense if he thought he was innocent is elementary and the obvious thing to do.
    I agree with all that.

    But the way Ed Whelan did it did not reflect credit on himself or the man he was attempting to defend. What's worse, it opened up Kavanaugh to a line of questioning that could derail his nomination.

    Big unforced error for red team.

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    FBI investigation or the GOP (Gov't of Putin) is hiding from the truth. Subpoena the accomplice (Judge) or this is not about finding truth but just another GOP sham.

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    I agree with all that.

    But the way Ed Whelan did it did not reflect credit on himself or the man he was attempting to defend. What's worse, it opened up Kavanaugh to a line of questioning that could derail his nomination.

    Big unforced error for red team.
    I don’t think it does anything to derail. It just shows he has nothing to disprove it out of hand right now. But that’s generally the case when you have to prove a negative.

    There’s a story in the news today about a former aide of Feinstein who is trying to stall the confirmation and has been running the delay tactic from behind the scenes, including possibly paying Ford’s attorneys fees and for the lie detector test. I think that type of stuff is way more damaging than what Whelan did.

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