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    I don't trust Calipari players in general
    I guess you added the couple exceptions thing to CYA, but there are some very successful / great pro players who have played for Calipari.

    Devin Booker
    Anthony Davis
    Julius Randle
    Enes Kanter
    Brandon Knight
    John Wall
    DeMarcus Cousins
    Eric Bledsoe
    Tyreke Evans
    Derrick Rose
    Marcus Camby

    To name a few. Few coaches can say they put that many good to great players into the pro leagues

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    Jimmy Butler is pretty overrated, to me, but KAT is waaaaaaaaaay overrated. I don't trust Calipari players in general, with a couple exceptions. They are lazy players who never improve much and now Minnesota has tons of cap room stuck to Towns and Wiggins. They're screwed.
    Towns is 22, hasn't missed a game in his NBA career and just averaged 21 and 12. You'd rather have a player of his caliber than not. The skyrocketing cap will offset some of the risk involved (the cap is supposed to jump to $120 million a year after his deal kicks in, jumping $18 million in two years)

    Wiggins deal is rough but it's movable, assuming that they don't expect too much back for him.

    Dieng's deal is awful, they'd be good to try and unload him in a Butler deal.

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    how about trade pau+filler to get butler and whatever in return

    then sign duncan to minimum...

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    how about trade pau+filler to get butler and whatever in return

    then sign duncan to minimum...
    I'm on the record as not being really enamored with butler and wouldn't give up a ton for him but, the dysfunction and apparent bad blood between the owner and Thibs may be driving the price way down. It's hard to see minny getting a real return for him the way this is going down. I think patfo owes it to themselves to probe a deal centered around Pau and mills and a pick just to see how low the price is dropping.

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    So does this mean Thibs is also gonna get fired soon?

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    So does this mean Thibs is also gonna get fired soon?
    If Thibs doesn't get fired for this, then he definitely is holding on to some compromising pictures of the owner or something.

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    I'm on the record as not being really enamored with butler and wouldn't give up a ton for him but, the dysfunction and apparent bad blood between the owner and Thibs may be driving the price way down. It's hard to see minny getting a real return for him the way this is going down. I think patfo owes it to themselves to probe a deal centered around Pau and mills and a pick just to see how low the price is dropping.
    It’s a shot at the moon, but this happens, Spurs could go really deep. DJ, Demar, Butler, Bertran, LMA

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    Man, Jimmy really makes sense for a win now team like the Spurs. Unlike others I'm not really high on DJ or Walker but I'd still hate to lose young prospects for a 1 year rental.

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    I’d pay that Tornto pick and salary relief for a 1 year Jimmy rental.

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    Moving towards the deadline I'd do Mills/Bertans and both picks for Butler and Bates-Diop.

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    After last year I'm surprised any spurs fans are willing to trade for a cancerous diva who is oft injured and wants to be in LA

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    After last year I'm surprised any spurs fans are willing to trade for a cancerous diva who is oft injured and wants to be in LA
    He's a poor man's Kawhi who can pass plus he did like that IG comment about him on the Spurs. That's where the wanting him comes from.

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    He's a poor man's Kawhi who can pass plus he did like that IG comment about him on the Spurs. That's where the wanting him comes from.
    I heard he started liking several comments about a lot of different teams that day. He has a bad at ude. I don’t think he’s gonna get along with hardly any team he goes to.

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    Moving towards the deadline I'd do Mills/Bertans and both picks for Butler and Bates-Diop.
    The offer would go down, not up. No way Spurs offer 2 1sts for 30 games + playoffs of Butler without assurances that he'd re-sign.

    Also, Gasol would make more sense because he only has partial money remaining after next season.

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    The offer would go down, not up. No way Spurs offer 2 1sts for 30 games + playoffs of Butler without assurances that he'd re-sign.

    Also, Gasol would make more sense because he only has partial money remaining after next season.
    You can never make any sense of Gasol’s last contract.

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    You can never make any sense of Gasol’s last contract.
    He walked in to see Pop with a Tim Duncan mask on. just kidding.

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    The whole 3 max contract teams are coming to an end eventually and I don't think it's the way to go. It's only relevant now because of the Warriors. They essentially have 4 max contracts, (Green, Klay, Durant took very small discounts) and Curry is on supermax. Cousins took an insane discount. This is an outliner here.

    And also because the cap jumped a few years ago, there are a lot of bad contracts for role players, which has resulted in Allstar potential players getting max deals (Barnes, Porter, Adams, Wiggins for example.) I would rather commit to Wil Barton and Gary Harris for 30mil between them and surround them around to all starts like LMA and DD. Than adding Bulter for example. Unfortunately, we spent that money on Mills and Gasol. Hopefully, Walker and Murray can be those awesome role players to help our two stars.

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    The offer would go down, not up. No way Spurs offer 2 1sts for 30 games + playoffs of Butler without assurances that he'd re-sign.

    Also, Gasol would make more sense because he only has partial money remaining after next season.
    I'm assuming that Butler would stay and part of him getting him to do that is keeping Gasol. Bertans can't be moved until 12/15 anyways.

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    I heard he started liking several comments about a lot of different teams that day. He has a bad at ude. I don’t think he’s gonna get along with hardly any team he goes to.
    I agee. Still wish Spurs would've drafted him. Thibbs & bulls FO is also cancer imo.

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    at ude problem but his been playing on loser mentality teams

    put him on spurs with lma/dd and pop, we are back in the ball game...

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    I do agree on some level Butler is "toxic" in the sense LeBron is where his complaints are legitimate but doesn't have the leadership ability to deal with them appropriately. He would do well on the Spurs.

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    I guess you added the couple exceptions thing to CYA, but there are some very successful / great pro players who have played for Calipari.

    Devin Booker
    Anthony Davis
    Julius Randle
    Enes Kanter
    Brandon Knight
    John Wall
    DeMarcus Cousins
    Eric Bledsoe
    Tyreke Evans
    Derrick Rose
    Marcus Camby

    To name a few. Few coaches can say they put that many good to great players into the pro leagues
    Nah, every single one of those except for two are horribly overrated. Take Booker as an example. Empty stats out the wazoo. Cousins is the same. Lots of stats, no idea how to win basketball games. These are all five star guys Calipari took and failed to teach anything about the game of basketball to. Look at Rose. Supreme talent, just junk upstairs. No idea how to play once his athleticism went away. The only two I value much at all are Davis and Wall. Randle has surprised me. The rest I wouldn't bother with.

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    Towns is 22, hasn't missed a game in his NBA career and just averaged 21 and 12. You'd rather have a player of his caliber than not. The skyrocketing cap will offset some of the risk involved (the cap is supposed to jump to $120 million a year after his deal kicks in, jumping $18 million in two years)

    Wiggins deal is rough but it's movable, assuming that they don't expect too much back for him.

    Dieng's deal is awful, they'd be good to try and unload him in a Butler deal.
    I'd be surprised if KAT does much more than this. Again, a Calipari player. They barely ever improve, and they certainly never become leaders or learn how to make other players better. I mean, DRob was dragging Vinny Del Negro deep into the playoffs year after year and what the has KAT done? What will he ever do? He's just a talented guy who doesn't know how to play basketball. He's so suspect, in fact, that he's on the verge of running the best player on his team out of the city.

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    I'm assuming that Butler would stay and part of him getting him to do that is keeping Gasol. Bertans can't be moved until 12/15 anyways.
    Bertans and probably Forbes can't be moved until 1/15, not 12/15 like outside free agents (Cunningham and Pondexter, for example).

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    Bertans and probably Forbes can't be moved until 1/15, not 12/15 like outside free agents (Cunningham and Pondexter, for example).
    Just checked on RealGM and you're right-it's 1/15 for both. Still close to the trade deadline.

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