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    Hiding under the skirt of their hired "assistant" is great optics.

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    Well, since SCOTUS is the highest court, it would naturally be a promotion for any nominee.

    If you’re going to present evidence that the nominee is unfit, what is the standard? What if someone claimed Kagan killed puppies when she was a HS student? But, the person couldn’t say when or where and had no corroborating witnesses?
    That's why I wanted the FBI to investigate tbh.

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    Hiding under the skirt of their hired "assistant" is great optics.
    The alternative is worse optics. Well, at least in 2018, because toxic masculinity, the patriarchy, etc. etc.

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    Right, they don't.

    And?

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    The alternative is worse optics. Well, at least in 2018, because toxic masculinity, the patriarchy, etc. etc.
    Yep, you're the real victim here, Darrin.

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    That's why I wanted the FBI to investigate tbh.
    “The last thing I will point out, the next person who refers to an FBI report as being worth anything, obviously doesn’t understand anything. FBI explicitly does not, in this or any other case, reach a conclusion, period. Period,” Biden said. “The reason why we cannot rely on the FBI report [is] you would not like it if we did because it is inconclusive. They say, ‘He said, she said, and they said. Period.”

    “So when people wave an FBI report before you, understand they do not, they do not reach conclusions,” Biden said.

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    Right, they don't.

    And?
    but we NEED one

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    Investigate does not mean conclude dumb .

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    “if” is Conservatese for “i 100% believe this but want to deflect any ridicule I get for believing it”
    Mmm, no

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    So, in a criminal trial, you have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Civil trial, you have preponderance of evidence, a slightly lower standard.


    So, what do we have in this case? And, I realize that this process is not a trial. Would like to know what spurraider thinks.
    Its an appointment. So it’s a political excerise. A senator needs to make sure their base is satisfied with their vote. And that other people who can help them with their base. Now the base MAY shift their thoughts and start to head scratch if a SC nominee does not behave in a manner consistent with their morals. And what they expect of a law abiding, honest man, being a judge and all.

    You had to know this. Feel free to add on.

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    Its an appointment. So it’s a political excerise. A senator needs to make sure their base is satisfied with their vote. And that other people who can help them with their base. Now the base MAY shift their thoughts and start to head scratch if a SC nominee does not behave in a manner consistent with their morals. And what they expect of a law abiding, honest man, being a judge and all.

    You had to know this. Feel free to add on.

    Is a “she said vs everyone else allegedly there saying ‘we don’t know wtf she’s talking about’” an adequate standard?

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    The alternative is worse optics. Well, at least in 2018, because toxic masculinity, the patriarchy, etc. etc.
    Slavery became toxic at one point in time and it kind of stuck... go figure.
    Patriarchy and your definition of masculinity may change. If masculine means “I’ll make the moves and sexual advances, you just lay there. Pretend like it feels good as well.” , it has changed already. Women even have a vote... wtf with these culture changes?

    I guess we should just die now, this is sooo hard to handle.

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    So much for Ms Ramirez

    You live for falling for fake , dont you?


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    Aren't they bringing in a lawyer to question her? Someone trained in process seems like a good person to call in. She'll be able to get to the best information and then they can decide based on that.

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    Aren't they bringing in a lawyer to question her? Someone trained in process seems like a good person to call in. She'll be able to get to the best information and then they can decide based on that.
    While they set up a vote on it the following morning? How much attention do you think they're paying to the hearing?

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    Stopped reading after that. Sorry.

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    Is a “she said vs everyone else allegedly there saying ‘we don’t know wtf she’s talking about’” an adequate standard?
    Uhhh...

    If you will recall, Republicans getting wind of her story thought it credible enough to have her heard. The president as well, but he does not count as he can change his mind in a millisecond.
    Can you explain this? Her story must have had some sense of honesty to it most likely I would venture. Dontcha think? They made the choice to take this up BEFORE we were fully informed of any of this. It made the rounds.

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    Stopped reading after that. Sorry.
    Of course you did.
    Conservatives are resistant to social change on the whole.
    And I would agree that some of it is ridiculous. But some, in our time, seems perfectly reasonable, to me anyhow.

    No need to apologize.
    You don’t need confusion.
    Black. White. Good.

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    Slavery became toxic at one point in time and it kind of stuck... go figure.
    Patriarchy and your definition of masculinity may change. If masculine means “I’ll make the moves and sexual advances, you just lay there. Pretend like it feels good as well.” , it has changed already. Women even have a vote... wtf with these culture changes?

    I guess we should just die now, this is sooo hard to handle.
    Someone "just laying there and pretending like it feels good" would be the result of "toxic femininity". Teach your daughters to not let their "toxic femininity" hold them back.

    Both patriarchy and toxic masculinity are broad terms feminist use to demonize men. And they are ineffective beyond that. Those terms didn't lead to the female vote. Working to earn the female vote led to it. That's how things change.

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    Fox News reported that ranking Democrat Dianne Feinstein said that Ford may not testify after all. Fox also reported that Kavanaugh's second accuser, Deborah Ramirez, has said she will not testify.

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    While they set up a vote on it the following morning? How much attention do you think they're paying to the hearing?
    Well a lot information is already out.

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    They can hear it sleep on it and then vote
    Do they need to sleep on it 5 days ?

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    Aren't they bringing in a lawyer to question her? Someone trained in process seems like a good person to call in. She'll be able to get to the best information and then they can decide based on that.
    Many of them are lawyers and go over this stuff with a very knowledgeable deep staff. They are quite good at questioning. Especially if it’s some evil CEO and they want cons uents to see them bashing the evil.
    But it does not look good having older white males doing the questioning in this case. It might appear they are not sympathetic.
    Optics.
    Its perfectly understandable.
    To me.
    Did I miss something?

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    Yes, they don't reach conclusions in those cases.

    What is your problem with that, TSA?

    Explain.

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