yea I knew. I forgot Butler was hurt last season. Demar averaged the assists but then he went to the playoffs and himself.
Butler wasn’t just hurt last season, he’s been dinged and banged up for most of his career. As for the playoffs, he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire, himself. Lower numbers, and two second round appearances. Who knows? Maybe if he actually made a conference finals like DD, he would have the bed, too.
If you could just isolate the on-the-court stuff. Butler is better. But you can't do that. DeRozan and Aldridge a great transition stars. I don't know if they can be more than that, and if so, what it would take to get them there. But when taking everything into account, I'd rather have DeRozan on the team than Butler. I just don't think the team could take another year or divisive .
Would still totally entertain trying to add Jimmy to the team, though.
All of my co-workers up in Minneapolis are saying that as good as Butler is, he isn’t worth the drama and and the distraction for the rest of the team. They are all hoping he gets traded quickly.
Good points on Nets
But people need to stop with this revisionist history on CoJo over Butler. The Spurs has just traded away their PG depth in the Kawhi-Hill trade. PG was a big need at that point in time ... the depth was Gary Neal, which is all you need to know.
Butler was fine at Marquette but showed no improvement from sop re to junior year. Let’s stop acting like he was a sure thing.
i've always liked butler and hated demar. butler has always been the better player.
i'm starting to warm up to demar and sour on butler though... not big on the drama he seems to bring...
would la want out with all the touches demar and butler would get?
if butler goes to the bucks i hope the spurs are a trade partner and can manage to swap gasol + something for john henson.
If I had could go back in time and do one draft do-over, it wouldn't even be Butler. It would've been Jokic over Anderson. Could have dodged the whole Gasol era and used Tim's cap space on a perimeter player.
I don't see the Nets making a play for Butler, especially since it seems like Kyrie isn't 100-percent leaving Boston. Rather, I'd try to tank this year and get a high pick to add to the max slots. They aren't at the point where it makes sense to trade away future value. They need to get guys committed to the franchise first.
that. First, Gasol is better first off. And the only guy I want from MKE (who could even possibly be on the block) is Middleton.
I understand your point, and Cojo gets a lot of flack for the "he was the roommate to RC's son". He's had a decent career in Toronto and Indiana. If Butler wasn't drafted by Chicago, how much run would he have gotten early in his career? Didn't the Spurs sign Patty that year too? 2011-12 season. 20 game win streak to end regular season and then start playoffs. Then Spurs loose 4 straight to Thunder. Patty and KL went off on the Warriors and Suns the last two games of the year in Spurs wins when Tim, Tony, Manu, and Pop didn't go on the road trip. Coach Bud took the helm in those games.
When Butler wanted out of Chicago, I really wanted the Spurs to swing a deal to acquire him (and RoLo). But three years later, he doesn't seem like a good fit here at all - and I won't even address the potential locker room issues. Middleton is a much better dream to dream today.
Yes I really want Middleton more than anyone right now. I feel that if we were able to land him while keeping the young guys then we could contend (not necessarily win but contend because GS is unfair).
Yeah. Mills was later that season and was the writing on the wall for Neal.
CoJo just took a while to develop and by the time he was useful, Spurs needed all the cap room they could get to sign Aldridge.
Khris seems like the piece to perfectly fill the glaring hole we have at SF. But I don't think there is any way we could could swing a deal to bring him here and still keep the guys we need to keep to be really compe ive.
What would it take to get Middleton? Is he even on the block?
I have no intel about that. He wouldn't be if I were in charge of the Bucks. I was just responding to an earlier post.
i'm taking henson over gasol easily. 27, $18 mil/two years remaining... pau is 38, $32 mil/two years remaining.
henson can actually run, finish at the rim a lot better, and his defense can improve whereas pau's is only going to get worse.
Try actually representing the contracts fairly first. Henson has $20M/2 and Pau has $22.8M guaranteed. That they can get out of most of his second year is exactly why he's more valuable than Henson.
i'm taking henson over gasol easily. 27, $18 mil/two years remaining... pau is 38, $32 mil/two years remaining.
henson can actually run, finish at the rim a lot better, and his defense can improve whereas pau's is only going to get worse.
Saying vague like "he can run" doesn't mean anything. He was worse than Gasol last year, and he was dog compared to Gasol the year before. Moreover, he's completely redundant with Poeltl and isn't a great fit for a SL that needs spacing and passing. You even describe John's D as something that "can improve" like that's a plus. The biggest reason to hope it improves is because it's been pretty ty for years. What sucks is that Henson's offense is even worse. The only reason why we're even talking about him is because he had a pretty good year last year. But MKE keeps trying to upgrade his spot, from drafting centers in back-to-back years to signing Lopez this summer. Maybe they don't like him for a reason?
Pau for Butler centered trade would be a win, imo
henson's had ty coaches. that's why the bucks have managed to underachieve in the east even with giannis.
not saying he'll be an all star but he can produce more under pop than pau will.
None. He’s cancerous.
I'd only trade for him if we're not giving up anything of value. I don't really like the guy anymore. Decent player, but not someone I care to have on the team. A worse version of Kawhi, but would come with similar issues. No thanks.
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DJ, Demar, Butler, Gay, LMA is an intriguing thought. I think this group would have a chance to dethrone Dubs. RJ/Pops should explore especially if they can convince Butler to extend.
I just can't see how the Spurs could land him unless some team helps them out in a 3 way deal. Spurs just lost a top 5 league player I would hope they have inquired about Butler. You definitely don't want to give up to much for a Butler rental. DeMar, LMA, Lonnie and DJ off limits I think, so any other Spur could be traded.
Do not want Butler. Disgruntled players who demand trades - If they are willing to stab one team in the back they are more than willing to do it a second time.
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