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    Put me in the camp calling bull on "medically necessary" also.
    Dr. Fabbs co-signing

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    A) Why is "gender confusion" more prevalent in the West?

    B) Why is "gender confusion" becoming ever so more prevalent in the USA?


    Those are the important questions we should be asking. Self reflect on what we are projecting and teaching our youth

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    "Although also unnamed, this seems to refer to Drummond et al. (2008), which followed up 25 kids assessed in childhood for gender issues: 15 of the 25 received official diagnoses for their gender dysphoria, and 10 were judged to be experiencing the feelings, but to be “subthreshold” for an official diagnosis. That is, the alleged criticism is that including “subthreshold” cases would water down the results from cases who are formally diagnosed. The irrelevance of that claim is again easily seen by looking at it directly: Of the 15 kids who received a diagnosis, two continued to be transgender in adulthood (13/15 = 87% desistance), and of the 10 without a diagnosis, one continued to be transgender (9/10 = 90% desistance)."

    https://www.psypost.org/2017/12/many...ay-trans-50499

    This is from my second link. This may not be accurate. Perhaps there is more relevant information or this is an outright lie. If this is true the "medical professionals" don't know and this is 100% child abuse.

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    From the article:

    "“The vast majority of gender dysphoric children affirmed as the opposite sex go on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones are permanently sterilized as a result,” the American College of Pediatricians states in “Protect Children: Vote No on AB 2119.” "

    They are enabling children to permanently damage their body. What is worse is some studies show that many of the kids grow out of gender dysmorphia. Child abuse.
    Don't forget the 40% suicide rate

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    But islam didn't cuck you.

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    Don't forget the 40% suicide rate
    Yeah, I mentioned the 41% attempted suicide on the first page.

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    I didn't say child abuse. I said the parents, who more than likely suffer from mental illness, that coerce children into this stuff so they have a conversation topic or a "special" or "unique" child is disgusting.
    Do you have some numbers on how prevalent this is?

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    Some of you guys are so obsessed with the whole gender dysphoria and gender confusion that are missing the forest from the tree.

    The related paragraph of law:
    The right of minors and nonminors in foster care to health care and mental health care described in paragraph (4) of subdivision (a) of Section 16001.9 includes covered gender affirming health care and gender affirming mental health care. This right is subject to existing laws governing consent to health care for minors and nonminors and does not limit, add, or otherwise affect applicable laws governing consent to health care.

    There's no doubt a lot of these kids go through an extremely difficult psychological period (and their parents too). The whole suicide rate doesn't just come from becoming transgender, but from the fact that these are very troubled individuals (for whatever reason, it really doesn't matter).

    They're not stupid and they're not weird, they're just going through a troubling period with their gender and sexuality. They have specific mental health issues that need to be addressed by professionals, that understand that 'gender confusion' or whatever you want to call it is a real issue.

    Even for kids that 'grow out of it', they don't just breeze through it. There's peer pressure, social pressure, sometimes family pressure. It's a difficult path they travel, and having a professional that's able to help them through it is important, and California is stepping up to the table here to assist these kids.

    tbh, tattooing your calves and shouting out "they're all gots" is easy, but this is difficult stuff families go through, and it's serious. It's not even new, really, in the past it was all taboo and not spoken about, and you still had suicides and everything else.

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    I don't think many are against them having access to a therapist to discuss their mental disorder tbh.

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    Why would one need to go as far as adopting to show genuine concern?
    You're content to leave them in the custody of the state while whining about how the state treats their mental health with your tax dollars. This makes me question how much you actually care about the children.

    Do any other conditions of California foster care concern you, or is it just the (maybe) couple dozen per year that may need health care related to gender iden y?

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    You're content to leave them in the custody of the state while whining about how the state treats their mental health with your tax dollars. This makes me question how much you actually care about the children.

    Do any other conditions of California foster care concern you, or is it just the (maybe) couple dozen per year that may need health care related to gender iden y?
    I didn't know we were talking about only State custody would-be-forced trannys.

    How many trannys have you adopted?

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    I don't think many are against them having access to a therapist to discuss their mental disorder tbh.
    Legit therapists yes, that minority.
    Perverts with agendas, no.

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    I didn't know we were talking about only State custody would-be-forced trannys.
    That's because the op was disingenuous and you didn't read the article

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    I didn't know we were talking about only State custody would-be-forced trannys.
    That's probably because you didn't read the legislation.

    How many trannys have you adopted?
    I'm not accusing the state of child abuse.

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    That's probably because you didn't read the legislation.
    Do you think Bruce Jenner could have been saved with competent intervention?

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    Do you think Bruce Jenner could have been saved with competent intervention?
    You're pretty ignorant tbh

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    You're pretty ignorant tbh
    Do you wish you could be cucked by the demonic Kardashian cult and then tranny'd?

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    Do you think Bruce Jenner could have been saved with competent intervention?
    I don't have the medical authority to speak on how Ms. Jenner's life may have been different, but I do know that medical philosophies and practices aren't typically guided by a single example of a patient.

    "But what about this well-known celebrity" is not usually a good argument in a discussion about broad medical practice.

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    lol gossipy Flabbs

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    Do you wish you could be cucked by the demonic Kardashian cult and then tranny'd?
    That's pretty stupid.

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    That's pretty stupid.
    Well I thought there was a chance you might not want to.

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    That's because the op was disingenuous and you didn't read the article
    Never implied anything else. I had links. There was nothing disingenuous about it.

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    Never implied anything else. I had links. There was nothing disingenuous about it.
    You and The Federalist sure downplayed the out of this being about foster kids.

    muh taxes over something that's barely a blip on overall spend.

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    You and The Federalist sure downplayed the out of this being about foster kids.

    muh taxes over something that's barely a blip on overall spend.
    didn't even mention this legislation was geared specifically towards foster kids.

    Totally not disingenuous. Totally.

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    You and The Federalist sure downplayed the out of this being about foster kids.

    muh taxes over something that's barely a blip on overall spend.
    That's the le. I don't think I made a single comment about taxes(could be wrong). My greatest concern has been the abuse/permanent damage of children.

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