Woj: Free agent forward Dante Cunningham has agreed to a deal with the Spurs

[SAGirl]

No thanks. Since you used that for your argument, I think you should be the one to provide that information to add credence to your argument given the inherent flaw of what you said without comparisons.

I am in a tablet. It's easy to look for it. More difficult to be linking the stuff. I wouldn't have said it if it weren't true. Might post it later but there's really not much of a point to these discussions tbh. The guy is gone so /shrug.

Actually, Kawhi might be gone too, though I hope not... And I have believed he will not be traded.

[Chinook]

Doesn't support your point IMO.

No, but it does refute your point that the Spurs winning games with Leonard and Anderson means Anderson himself played well. A much stronger point would have been Kyle's and Leonard's 20.8 net rating in 2016-2017, which was highest for both players. That would (with your caveats noted) imply that Leonard and Anderson made each other better. I wouldn't disagree with that and wanted Kyle back as you seem to be forgetting. But Kyle last year was not as good as Leonard, and especially offensively, he didn't want to be that guy enough even without Kawhi. I think we can agree on that. SA with Leonard this year is much better than they were last year without him, including the talent drop from Anderson to the others. Anderson was worth quite a bit to me, and I was really confident SA would quickly match an MLE deal when it was offered. Them giving Bertans almost as much and Forbes anything at all just highlights that. I still think the team will be just fine without him, though.

[Mugen]

Is this thread already longer than the "Thank you TP" thread?

[MVPCues]

I am in a tablet. It's easy to look for it. More difficult to be linking the stuff. I wouldn't have said it if it weren't true. Might post it later but there's really not much of a point to these discussions tbh. The guy is gone so /shrug.

Actually, Kawhi might be gone too, though I hope not... And I have believed he will not be traded.

Yeah, fair enough. The logic flaw just struck me. I think you know I'm not a Kyle hater, but hope doesn't spring eternal with me. He had plenty of chances. Solid and very versatile player who needed to develop a shot so he could be more of a threat. He didn't do that. Matching his offer was sort of 50/50 with me.

[cd98]

What team would he make a difference in a series against?

He has shown he can guard Harden effectively. He has also shown that he can use his length to guard multiple positions, so when the Spurs play a team, like GSW, he is valuable because he can switch. In fact, the trend to move to long players is one the Spurs have been doing for the last several years because length in wingspan and height in positionless basketball make switching much easier and also allows the Spurs to take advantage of switches on offense.

Replacing him with a vet minimum is a downgrade, even if Anderson isn't a superstar. I would have loved to see a defensive line up that included Kawhi, Anderson, Murray, and LMA. We didn't have that in 2017 because Murray and Anderson were not good enough yet.

[gambit1990]

Is this thread already longer than the "Thank you TP" thread?

[gambit1990]

better than signing rodney stuckey at least...

[ernest787]

did someone just seriously try to say Fathead is an asset against the Dubs?!?!?!?

[TimDunkem]

did someone just seriously try to say Fathead is an asset against the Dubs?!?!?!?

I mean...What do you say to that? It's just pure rubbish.

[cd021]

Honestly you're probably right. I'd rather give him the rest of the MLE so we have him under 4 years of a low cost contract. Start developing him sooner too.

But I don't think PATFO will do that.

Agreed. I think PATFO used the rest of the MLE on Cunningham, so it is probably not possible. But if they used the mini MLE instead, then they could offer Metu a 3 or 4 year deal for dirt cheap.

[LittleCriminal]

Okie dokie. They had Kawhi last year too, yet Kyle flourished.

After 4 years, 8pts 5reb in 30 minutes of action is not flourishing..
Quit with this nonsense in which you speak.

[LittleCriminal]

did someone just seriously try to say Fathead is an asset against the Dubs?!?!?!?

Who speaks such nonsense?
Only a player fan would even think to say that.. Not an actual spur fan.
Was it dpg?? Sahurl? Another troll?

[SAGirl]

No, but it does refute your point that the Spurs winning games with Leonard and Anderson means Anderson himself played well. A much stronger point would have been Kyle's and Leonard's 20.8 net rating in 2016-2017, which was highest for both players. That would (with your caveats noted) imply that Leonard and Anderson made each other better. I wouldn't disagree with that and wanted Kyle back as you seem to be forgetting. But Kyle last year was not as good as Leonard, and especially offensively, he didn't want to be that guy enough even without Kawhi. I think we can agree on that. SA with Leonard this year is much better than they were last year without him, including the talent drop from Anderson to the others. Anderson was worth quite a bit to me, and I was really confident SA would quickly match an MLE deal when it was offered. Them giving Bertans almost as much and Forbes anything at all just highlights that. I still think the team will be just fine without him, though.

If they have Kawhi they will be fine. Would have been fine last season too had he come back after ASB. Without Kawhi it's anyone's guess how this goes.

I never compared KA to Kiwi. Very few guys can really give you all Kawhi gives you if healthy and committed. He's a legit MVP and those guys are pretty unique.

FWIW, I expect improvements from the guards. I like both Dijon and Derrick and think/hope Murray will be better offensively and White will be helpful right away when given opportunities. That alone will make the team better.

[Fusternino]

Agreed. I think PATFO used the rest of the MLE on Cunningham, so it is probably not possible. But if they used the mini MLE instead, then they could offer Metu a 3 or 4 year deal for dirt cheap.

Yeah, I saw that. What are the rules for the mini-MLE? Can the last two years be team options just like with a first round pick?

[Seventyniner]

did someone just seriously try to say Fathead is an asset against the Dubs?!?!?!?

They would be right if they did.

[sasaint]

Did he really just say Anderson never got blown by?

I was skimming and missed the "by." Had me feeling sorry for Kyle.

[cd021]

Yeah, I saw that. What are the rules for the mini-MLE? Can the last two years be team options just like with a first round pick?

The Spurs can't sign Metu with the MMLE, I think, but could with the regular MLE. I was talking about Cunningham and whether the Spurs gave him a 1 year deal using the MMLE. I think It is a max of two years, unless I am confusing it with another exception.

I was hoping Metu would sign a four year deal, similar to Isaac Bonga's- which starts out at only $1 million

[TheCerebral1]

Scrub bench player. That's all. He has no value at 31. He'll be waived by November 1st.

[jyra]

So multiple sites now have his salary listed as $2,487,000 and Belinelli's contract taking up the rest of the MLE.

I really want to know why he wasn't signed to a minimum deal. I would have meant only about 300k less for Cunningham while allowing the remaining MLE to be used for signing a rookie like Metu/Blossomgame to a non minimum deal like mentioned above or to get a buyout guy later in the season if they didn't want to use it now. On top of that the team also could have saved around $1M in paid salary, explanation courtesy of Chinook:

One-year vet-min deals only count as second-year min deals. The player gets paid for their tenure, but the difference is covered by the league as opposed to the team. That's why 1-and-1 deals for players like Manu are kind of stupid unless that player retires, because they just cost the team money for no reason.

The second year minimum for this season is $1,512,601. To expand a little on that here is also the corresponding excerpt from the cbafaq:

When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, 10-day or Rest-of-Season contract at the minimum salary, the league reimburses the team for part of his salary -- any amount above the minimum salary for a two-year veteran. For example, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran in 2017-18 is $1,471,382, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $2,328,652, the league would reimburse the team $857,270. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive than younger veterans.

Seems like a waste to not take advantage of this opportunity.

[Chinook]

So multiple sites now have his salary listed as $2,487,000 and Belinelli's contract taking up the rest of the MLE.

I really want to know why he wasn't signed to a minimum deal. I would have meant only about 300k less for Cunningham while allowing the remaining MLE to be used for signing a rookie like Metu/Blossomgame to a non minimum deal like mentioned above or to get a buyout guy later in the season if they didn't want to use it now. On top of that the team also could have saved around $1M in paid salary, explanation courtesy of Chinook:



The second year minimum for this season is $1,512,601. To expand a little on that here is also the corresponding excerpt from the cbafaq:




Seems like a waste to not take advantage of this opportunity.

I'm not sure those sites are correct. But even if they are, $300k is not nothing, especially to a player like Cun, and it could have been the difference in him signing with SA over a compe or. If I were looking for a job, and one company offered like 14 percent more, I'd definitely go into it with them as the "team" to beat.

I completely agree that from the Spurs' perspective, it would have been nice to save that cap space. But if Cunningham is supposed to be part of the rotation this year, then it's not a bad price to pay. I'd still prefer that they used the LLE rather than the MLE to make this happen, though, because the latter could be used to sign a guy for three or four years.

[Dverde]

Getting a good vibe from him so far. DeMar name dropped him the other day as an important roster guy.

[ceperez]

Getting a good vibe from him so far. DeMar name dropped him the other day as an important roster guy.

Maybe! He's got size 6'8" and can hit the three. Did he not play with DeMar in Toronto?

[Chinook]

I have unjustifiably high hopes for him too. TD21 said Cun was a guy expecting to get a solid rotation spot. I disagree, but I do think he can earn one pretty easily if he embraces the tone-setting role. With LMA being quiet, DeRozan being new and Murray being green, there's no one really projecting the hard-nosed edge I think the team will need to take the next step. Cunningham seems like he can do it. Bertans might follow. The team doesn't have an ace defender anymore, but they do have the physical talent.

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Cun

no. never this

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Cun

no. never this

We used to have a LDN, could his replacement be a Cunny?