This Team Is Hideous To Watch

[R. DeMurre]

D'Antoni, CP3, & Harden are all still ringless,

so I couldn't ​care less.

[Keepin' it real]

Imagine how unwatchable they'll be by end of season after they've had all year to perfect their suckiness.

[J_Paco]

LOLOLOL

OP should think about investing in a new team unless he'll be "reacting" like this after ever loss.

[Dejounte]

This is all OP does. In every thread.

[SAGirl]

I'll preface and bold this for the apologists: I could care less about this game. This is about the bigger picture . . .

Today, they were out attempted and scored by 32 and 36 from 3, respectively. It's cliché, but this is the definition of insanity. If they even want to attempt to pretend to compete against the elite, they better get with the times yesterday instead of letting their players do whatever the they want and/or pretending they're smarter than everyone else.

Preseason or not, it should go without saying that Gay and Poeltl should never simultaneously start alongside the 3 constants; especially against the Rockets. The amount of congested, contested, faceup or fadeaway mid rangers they barfed up, was disgusting. Downright putrid basketball.

It should also go without saying that Mills and Forbes shouldn't play together and neither should Gasol and Bertans. On a team already lacking spacing in their starting lineup, they can't afford for their stretch bigs to play together.

I hear you. Not an apologist but I hope Pop is still testing lineups out and knows that this could be a problem and Will adjust.

[SAGirl]

lol epic meltdown after a pre-season game in a year we will be lucky to make the playoffs

I didn’t know your expectations were so low Splits.

[valleybeyond]

going to take time to transition to a new franchise plan after the former one walked/quit. not thrilled about demar/his hesitancy (inability?) to shoot the 3 (and well-made points about mid-range focused guards being archaic), but i think all of us have to adjust expectations from WCF/rings to playoffs/progressing beyond the first round. we aren't adding anything to the trophy case unless we benefit from multiple injuries (lol) or another duncan or nephew are added to the picture; might as well enjoy the ride in the meanwhile

[SAGirl]

going to take time to transition to a new franchise plan after the former one walked/quit. not thrilled about demar/his hesitancy (inability?) to shoot the 3 (and well-made points about mid-range focused guards being archaic), but i think all of us have to adjust expectations from WCF/rings to playoffs/progressing beyond the first round. we aren't adding anything to the trophy case unless we benefit from multiple injuries (lol) or another duncan or nephew are added to the picture; might as well enjoy the ride in the meanwhile

I think the issue is something that they can’t do much about. It will have to fix the lineups up. Their 3 main or most important players, none of them shoot the 3. To not have one significant star that’s a 3 point shooter is kind of a problem. So I think they did a good job looking shooters to surround these guys with. Not jumping to conclusions over one game I think they are still testing lineups out and probably will (injuries will also force them to)... but you get my point. I understand TD 21 point in terms of their lineup arrangements. Hopefully we see Bertans get an opportunity. I frankly don’t know if he will cut it or be good but it’s a long season... too soon to say nay.

Also, I totally get your point about expectations and enjoying the ride.

[valleybeyond]

I think the issue is something that they can’t do much about. It will have to fix the lineups up. Their 3 main or most important players, none of them shoot the 3. To not have one significant star that’s a 3 point shooter is kind of a problem. So I think they did a good job looking shooters to surround these guys with. Not jumping to conclusions over one game I think they are still testing lineups out and probably will (injuries will also force them to)... but you get my point. I understand TD 21 point in terms of their lineup arrangements. Hopefully we see Bertans get an opportunity. I frankly don’t know if he will cut it or be good but it’s a long season... too soon to say nay.

agreed on all points- i think the biggest difference between this iteration of the spurs and those prior is that you COULD surround someone like duncan w/ 3 point specialists and be okay. LMA is the closest thing we have to that these days, and he doesn't do enough in the post to warrant regular doubles (the mid range is inefficient enough for most teams to take a gamble and not double, not to mention it doesn't create nearly the same spacing as post play)...thereby making it less likely that we will have the same success with specialists like belli, bertans etc.

demar is great add in terms of talent, but again, he's no kobe or wade (two players that didn't differentiate their games based on range) - doesn't attract the same kind of attention on his drives to create the space specialists need.

its only the pre-season for this year, but you can forecast pretty well based on past trends for vets like LMA or demar. of course, i'll still watch bc pop's time is limited in the league and over the past 15/20 years i have vested significant emotional capital in this team lol, but i'm just saying our ceiling is far lower than 2 years ago (and that fans haven't adjusted to that new norm yet).

**Edit: i didn't see your edit about expectations before posting- clearly, you have adjusted yours haha**

[SAGirl]

agreed on all points- i think the biggest difference between this iteration of the spurs and those prior is that you COULD surround someone like duncan w/ 3 point specialists and be okay. LMA is the closest thing we have to that these days, and he doesn't do enough in the post to warrant regular doubles (the mid range is inefficient enough for most teams to take a gamble and not double, not to mention it doesn't create nearly the same spacing as post play)...thereby making it less likely that we will have the same success with specialists like belli, bertans etc.

demar is great add in terms of talent, but again, he's no kobe or wade (two players that didn't differentiate their games based on range) - doesn't attract the same kind of attention on his drives to create the space specialists need.

its only the pre-season for this year, but you can forecast pretty well based on past trends for vets like LMA or demar. of course, i'll still watch bc pop's time is limited in the league and over the past 15/20 years i have vested significant emotional capital in this team lol, but i'm just saying our ceiling is far lower than 2 years ago (and that fans haven't adjusted to that new norm yet).

**Edit: i didn't see your edit about expectations before posting- clearly, you have adjusted yours haha**

Great points. I went through a period of disappointment and adjustment after this summer and I wasn’t happy with the addition of Demar as everyone knows but frankly I have opened my eyes to how spoiled spurfan (myself included can be). I just looked around, saw other franchises with multiple coaches in the span of 3-4 years none of them awful but also not great. It could be worse. It could be a lot worse and I think this team has some young talent that’s exciting too, which is why the injuries suck. I don’t like some of their 3 pt specialists but I will adjust as a fan and they are necessary. I’d hope Davis gets more of an opportunity. PATFO paid him about 4 times what they paid Forbes but are relying more on Forbes than Davis... it’s made me wonder but that’s a point for a different thread.

[Fusternino]

Yeah Tobias Harris is making lots of 3's and grabbing boards right now . . . I think I'll prove to be right on shipping Kawhi to the Clippers for everything they had.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Wait. You could care less or you couldn’t? Smh.

[ceperez]

Great points. I went through a period of disappointment and adjustment after this summer and I wasn’t happy with the addition of Demar as everyone knows but frankly I have opened my eyes to how spoiled spurfan (myself included can be). I just looked around, saw other franchises with multiple coaches in the span of 3-4 years none of them awful but also not great. It could be worse. It could be a lot worse and I think this team has some young talent that’s exciting too, which is why the injuries suck. I don’t like some of their 3 pt specialists but I will adjust as a fan and they are necessary. I’d hope Davis gets more of an opportunity. PATFO paid him about 4 times what they paid Forbes but are relying more on Forbes than Davis... it’s made me wonder but that’s a point for a different thread.

PATFO paid Bertans more because that's what the market will pay for a 6'10" player vs a 6'2" player. It's not the utility of the player but the perception of the overall market. If Bertans was offered less, another team would likely have offered a better deal. These front offices have a better sense as to what the market is willing to pay for a kind of player. This also explains why centers that usually get paid a lot more have declined in value with the new NBA game.

[SAGirl]

PATFO paid Bertans more because that's what the market will pay for a 6'10" player vs a 6'2" player. It's not the utility of the player but the perception of the overall market. If Bertans was offered less, another team would likely have offered a better deal. These front offices have a better sense as to what the market is willing to pay for a kind of player. This also explains why centers that usually get paid a lot more have declined in value with the new NBA game.

These are all good points but my point was that they wanted him and were willing to pay more. It was probably not with the intention of staying buried.

[MaNu4Tres]

The MRI today will have playoff or lottery implications. If Murray is out for the year, I hope SA tries to be smart about this year and the future.

[r0drig0lac]

It should also go without saying that Mills and Forbes shouldn't play

this x1000

[TD 21]

It's not exactly breaking news to say they play archaically and gave their defense away in the off season, but they now have the league's least efficient shot selection, ranking 30th, with only 53% of their shots coming from the restricted area or 3.

Without so much as even a decent defense to fall back on any longer, they're insane to think they can win with any degree of consistency when they're fighting an uphill battle against math every game. Their only recourse is to basically hope it doesn't catch up to them in any given game.

An argument can be made that this is now the dumbest team in the league.

[Baam]

It's not exactly breaking news to say they play archaically and gave their defense away in the off season, but they now have the league's least efficient shot selection, ranking 30th, with only 53% of their shots coming from the restricted area or 3.

Without so much as even a decent defense to fall back on any longer, they're insane to think they can win with any degree of consistency when they're fighting an uphill battle against math every game. Their only recourse is to basically hope it doesn't catch up to them in any given game.

An argument can be made that this is now the dumbest team in the league.

Sad stuff, win-now trade and you don't make the POs... Pop and RC ed up. They put their career plans above the long term future of the team. For mediocrity...

They can still blow it up tho. But Pop prolly can't swallow that pill.

[Chinook]

Sad stuff, win-now trade and you don't make the POs... Pop and RC ed up. They put their career plans above the long term future of the team. For mediocrity...

They can still blow it up tho. But Pop prolly can't swallow that pill.

Nice to see you still around, Baam.

I didn't like the trade when it happened, and I don't like it now. For my own sanity, though, I have to assume PATFO has a plan to deal with the SF spot. If Murray were healthy, there'd be much greater incentive to go for a big trade to fix the problem now. But he's not, so it's not the worst plan to get a good pick and try again next year. As I've mentioned, I'd still like to see some cap clearing moves happen, because they have players with at least neutral value who make too much on a team with this many holes. But the long-term future of the team shouldn't be hurt much whether they start tanking now or in two years. , tanking ahead of the 2022 draft seems like the smartest plan anyway, especially if they can find a way to get another pick for that year.

[RC_Drunkford]

An argument can be made that this is now the dumbest team in the league.

so what does that make Pop and RC?