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    Zero tolerance policy is a recipe for the abuse of US citizens at the hands of border enforcement officers:

    After more than four hours, the officers called off the search. One of them asked Sandoval to sign some government forms. “She wanted me to give my consent,” Sandoval explained. “She said that if I signed the papers, they would take care of the hospital bill. They would be ‘good guys’ and pay, because it would be expensive.” Sandoval pushed the papers away.
    https://www.texasobserver.org/checkpoint-nation/

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    Even though CBP has a policy requiring that records be kept of all body cavity searches, the agency said it had nothing to send me when I filed a FOIA request for drug searches that did not result in an arrest, detention or deportation.

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    checkpoints mostly catch US citizens with small amounts of drugs:

    CBP’s own data suggests that its interior checkpoints do little to catch what it calls “unauthorized entrants” and instead ensnare U.S. citizens on minor drug charges. (Forty percent of its seizures were 1 ounce or less of marijuana taken from citizens.) From 2013 to 2016, interior checkpoints accounted for only 2 percent of CBP apprehensions of undo ented immigrants. In May, a circuit court judge in New Hampshire threw out charges against 16 people who were arrested for possessing small quan ies of drugs at a checkpoint manned by local police and Border Patrol agents, about 90 miles south of the Canadian border. “While the stated purpose of the checkpoints in this matter was screening for immigration violations,” the judge wrote, “the primary purpose of the action was detection and seizure of drugs,” which he ruled uncons utional.

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    culture of impunity:

    CBP operates with less oversight than your local police department despite having one of the largest federal budgets in Washington. The agency doesn’t reveal the names of agents or details of its internal proceedings in fatality or misconduct investigations. Until four years ago, CBP even kept its use-of-force policies secret; they were made public only after a congressional inquiry into a wrongful death resulted in an independent review. CBP hasn’t widely adopted dashboard or body cameras, although it began a six-month pilot project in May. In 2015, the Homeland Security Advisory Council, a panel of law enforcement experts formed by DHS, warned that CBP had no effective process to root out corruption and that its internal affairs office was woefully understaffed. “The true levels of corruption within CBP are not known,” the council warned. “Pockets of corruption could fester within CBP, potentially for years.”

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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    even hassled Beto O'Rourke

    O’Rourke’s opposition to CBP’s sweeping powers stems in part from his own encounter with border agents. In 2009, he and his 2-year-old son were detained at a checkpoint more than 70 miles from the border while agents pulled his truck apart. “They don’t have to explain why they’re holding you,” he said, “and you’re not given the right to an attorney.” O’Rourke told me that he and his son were held in a cell for close to 30 minutes before they were allowed to leave. “It was a strange feeling to be held against my will and to have my car searched,” he said. “I hadn’t committed any crime. I hadn’t even crossed the border.”

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    coming soon to a Supreme Court near you:

    Most recently, a federal judge in Massachusetts rejected the Trump administration’s bid to dismiss a lawsuit filed last year by 11 people who had their laptops and cell phones seized by officers at airports and border crossings around the country. That case will most likely be the next challenge to CBP’s authority to reach the Supreme Court.

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    CBP claims jurisdiction over the entire state of Michigan:

    CBP considers the Great Lakes a maritime border, which means that all of Michigan lies within the 100-mile border zone, and anyone can be subjected to a warrantless search at any time.

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    Most free country in the world my ass

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    even hassled Beto O'Rourke
    in Obama

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    It feels like being in a third world country every time I have to pass through these checkpoints in West Texas. I always want to tell these assholes to off since checkpoints should be uncons utional, but I'm the right color so when I just don't say and show my driver's license that has been it.

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    Agreed this a ridiculous practice to catch illegals. Simply punish employers. Don't give them benefits. Don't reward them with bull anchor babies. It's quite easy to solve the problem without these invasive measures.

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    absolutely true. Obama was the one who really ramped it up.

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    It's quite easy to solve the problem without these invasive measures.
    what is the problem, in your opinion?

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    what is the problem, in your opinion?
    libruls

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    duh, obviously

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    what is the problem, in your opinion?
    The problem I was discussing in my comment is people illegally entering the country.

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    the obvious solution to that would be some less onerous and costly way of processing them at the border.

    the overwhelming majority of migrants keep their court dates, why not let more of them in and establish a paper trail? give them temporary visas, and asylum review hearings.

    it would be a lot less expensive than detaining them all.
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    it would also be a lot less cruel for migrants.

    cruelty to the stranger is one of the main selling points of the system we have now.

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    Don't reward them with bull anchor babies. It's quite easy to solve the problem without these invasive measures.
    Actually, the anchor baby situation is quite a complicated problem to solve. Probably the most complicated.

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    Actually, the anchor baby situation is quite a complicated problem to solve. Probably the most complicated.
    Depends how ruthless you want to be tbh.

    European countries don't have birth right citizenship. So moving to that at least would be great first step.

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    Depends how ruthless you want to be tbh.

    European countries don't have birth right citizenship. So moving to that at least would be great first step.
    Europe doesn't have the US Cons ution. What would need to change is the 14th Amendment, thus requiring a Cons utional amendment. The bar is very high for that.

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    Zero tolerance policy is a recipe for the abuse of US citizens at the hands of border enforcement officers:

    https://www.texasobserver.org/checkpoint-nation/
    Blame the supreme court judges who ruled this kind of stuff is okay.

    Standard liberal response: "Judges don't legislate from the bench"

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    This is clearly an oversight problem, more than a policy problem. Not to mention the CBP is probably one of the biggest targets of organized crime, thus really susceptible to corruption. That's what makes it even more dangerous.

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    Europe doesn't have the US Cons ution. What would need to change is the 14th Amendment, thus requiring a Cons utional amendment. The bar is very high for that.
    Well Dems want to copy everything about Europe so I'm not sure who would be in disagreement.

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    Most free country in the world my ass
    In my personal experience - Germany has more daily freedoms. You can literally walk the street while sipping on a beer.

    But I don't think you will find a nation with more freedom of speech than USA

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