Giving up contract year Danny Green was a very very stupid thing to do

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DESTROTING THE SPURS YET AGAIN

[Chinook]

Irving didn't request a trade until weeks after the draft.

The Cavs tried to trade Irving first.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/c...-of-cleveland/

They were shopping Aldridge and Green on draft day but not neccessarily together. Cleveland was one of the teams they were talking to but it was not for Irving.

The plan on CLE's part was to move Irving for Bledsoe and the fourth-overall pick, then move that pick and filler to Indy for PG. The Spurs tried to trade Aldridge to Phoenix for the same pick and Green and the pick to Cleveland. The Suns balked at such a high price for Aldridge, and the Spurs backed away from doing any deal involving him once the Cavs made it clear they weren't trading Irving to SA. The Spurs may also have had contingent trades for a Paul signing, which we know didn't happen.

So anyways, yes, the Spurs weren't going to dump Green (or Aldridge) for nothing. They really wanted to get a superstar to put next to Leonard and tried to make that happen. When that failed, the Spurs backed off trade talks altogether and instead worked on patching things up with Aldridge. Unlike with Kawhi, Aldridge was willing to be talked down, so the team never got forced to trade him for whatever they could get.

And if there was a deal on the table, what happened?

I'm taking this to apply to this year rather than last. PATFO told Kawhi they had a deal for a star on the table, and if Leonard committed, they'd pull the trigger and (in their belief), because a real powerhouse that would win the West/ le. Leonard balked. David Aldridge suspected that trade was for Kemba Walker. I believe it was for DeRozan given the smoke coming out from Toronto about being willing to trade any of their players for a top-10 pick. I'm thinking the deal was DeMar would have been something like Green, Gasol, 18 and a future pick for DeRozan. For Walker, it would have been Green, Murray and 18 for Kemba. You're welcome to disagree with my speculation, but I am going off reports posted here during the summer. You were around here then and should remember these reports yourself.

[tmtcsc]

2 games in to the season and trading Green away was a mistake? Holding on to fossils too long was a mistake. Bums like Green and Parker should have been gone a long time ago. Last year around this same time, everyone was talking about how Green really worked on his game and could finally dribble and drive to the basket. Meanwhile, his defense had been going to for the previous 3 seasons. Nah, we're fine. This thing needed an overhaul. We still have some hangers-on that need to go.

[TimDunkem]

Don't care about that scrub Green although it hurts right now with all the guards down and the defense in question.

What's upsetting is that we only got back Poodle.

[BillMc]

. PATFO told Kawhi they had a deal for a star on the table, and if Leonard committed, they'd pull the trigger and (in their belief), because a real powerhouse that would win the West/ le. Leonard balked. David Aldridge suspected that trade was for Kemba Walker. I believe it was for DeRozan given the smoke coming out from Toronto about being willing to trade any of their players for a top-10 pick. I'm thinking the deal was DeMar would have been something like Green, Gasol, 18 and a future pick for DeRozan. For Walker, it would have been Green, Murray and 18 for Kemba. You're welcome to disagree with my speculation, but I am going off reports posted here during the summer. You were around here then and should remember these reports yourself.

I'd heard that too. We can only wonder how good a Kemba/Kawhi/LMA core or a DeMar/Kawhi/LMA core could be. Warrior beaters? Unlikely but maybe

[Spurtacular]

Should've been Mills instead of Green and we needed to get in addition to Poeltl and the pick one of OG and Siakam if not both.

Complete fleece. Gave them $5M to help with the tax payment due to Kawhi's 15% trade kicker, too.

Yup. I made that thread. Think a wuss mod may have closed it.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Fuxk Danny Green. This dude has been starting out hot for the past 3 years only to be garbage shooting the ball later on in the season. We had too many guards on our roster and there was literally no way of seeing 3 of them go down with injury before the season began. Tbh Green is done. By January you will see his decline... Again

[Fusternino]

Yup. I made that thread. Think a wuss mod may have closed it.

Raps just acted like they were doing us a favor with that trade. Even the last minute demand for $5M.

Fortunately, Gay is playing really well and next draft is loaded at the SF position. The one bright spot about Forbes playing is some team will become delusional into thinking he's an asset and we can ship him and both picks for a pick in the 12-16 range.

[Spurtacular]

Raps just acted like they were doing us a favor with that trade. Even the last minute demand for $5M.

Fortunately, Gay is playing really well and next draft is loaded at the SF position. The one bright spot about Forbes playing is some team will become delusional into thinking he's an asset and we can ship him and both picks for a pick in the 12-16 range.

You're dreaming.

[Keepin' it real]

Fuxk Danny Green. This dude has been starting out hot for the past 3 years only to be garbage shooting the ball later on in the season. We had too many guards on our roster and there was literally no way of seeing 3 of them go down with injury before the season began. Tbh Green is done. By January you will see his decline... Again

By January? How about by next week?

[Fusternino]

You're dreaming.

There's some truly awful GM's in this league.

[Spurtacular]

There's some truly awful GM's in this league.

They're still not that awful.

[Hoops Czar]

The Cavs tried to trade Irving first.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/c...-of-cleveland/



The plan on CLE's part was to move Irving for Bledsoe and the fourth-overall pick, then move that pick and filler to Indy for PG. The Spurs tried to trade Aldridge to Phoenix for the same pick and Green and the pick to Cleveland. The Suns balked at such a high price for Aldridge, and the Spurs backed away from doing any deal involving him once the Cavs made it clear they weren't trading Irving to SA. The Spurs may also have had contingent trades for a Paul signing, which we know didn't happen.

So anyways, yes, the Spurs weren't going to dump Green (or Aldridge) for nothing. They really wanted to get a superstar to put next to Leonard and tried to make that happen. When that failed, the Spurs backed off trade talks altogether and instead worked on patching things up with Aldridge. Unlike with Kawhi, Aldridge was willing to be talked down, so the team never got forced to trade him for whatever they could get.

Kyrie being shopped by Cleveland may have instigated his trade request but those facts were unknown at the time of his request. From the article you quoted...

For many, the swap from the Cavaliers to the Celtics last August was vexing. Irving was a champion on a contending franchise with a transcendent star, LeBron James. Who walks away from that?What they didn't know was Cleveland had explored trading Kyrie in June, long before he asked out, a fact conveniently omitted when word of his demand leaked. Irving made the decision to remain silent while the details of his request were, in his word, "distorted."
"I didn't feel the need to say anything because I knew the truth, and so did they," he says. "So it didn't matter what others said."
Still, for a split second, Irving winces, as though someone has pricked him with a pin.
"They didn't want me there," he says

When Irving became available, the Spurs never made a formal offer, just a lot of speculation of whom the Spurs could offer. I believe K-Love's name came up on draft day as a possible target but the Spurs were desperately trying to move up in the draft and it made sense to name drop Danny and LMA because they were the Spurs' only real assets along with Dejounte. In fact, I think they would have shopped Dejounte and Aldridge for Irving had they made a play for him and Aldridge and Green for Love. No reason to sign Irving and stunt Murray's development/growth by burying him in the depth chart.

IIRC, the Spurs were desperate to dump LMA and the Spurs actually wanted the Sun's draft pick for themselves and the Suns shot down the deal emphatically. I think the Spurs were even willing to take the corpse of Tyson Chandler in the deal.

'm taking this to apply to this year rather than last. PATFO told Kawhi they had a deal for a star on the table, and if Leonard committed, they'd pull the trigger and (in their belief), because a real powerhouse that would win the West/ le. Leonard balked. David Aldridge suspected that trade was for Kemba Walker. I believe it was for DeRozan given the smoke coming out from Toronto about being willing to trade any of their players for a top-10 pick. I'm thinking the deal was DeMar would have been something like Green, Gasol, 18 and a future pick for DeRozan. For Walker, it would have been Green, Murray and 18 for Kemba. You're welcome to disagree with my speculation, but I am going off reports posted here during the summer. You were around here then and should remember these reports yourself.

Yes, I heard the speculation but why wait until Kawhi was halfway out the door to bribe him to stay? The Spurs could have done this a year earlier but instead, they chose to chase a ghost in CP3 who was obviously using the Spurs to get a fifth year from the Clippers. I think the only one's who couldn't see it were the two dead heads running the front office. And when that failed, they literally destroyed their remaining cap space on Mills and Gasol. I don't believe the Spurs had anything on the table last offseason I remember hearing something along the lines the Spurs would bring in a third star to pair with Kawhi and Aldridge but that was kind of impossible without moving Gasol and Paddy's contract or Tony's contract ( more reasonable but for sentimental reasons, extremely unlikely).

[Chinook]

Kyrie being shopped by Cleveland may have instigated his trade request but those facts were unknown at the time of his request.

They were known back in June:

https://www.obsev.com/sports/lebron-...ing-trade.html

Irving was available during draft night, and the Spurs made an offer. By the time Irving made his trade request, Aldridge was off the table, and the Cavs had already shut down the offer in the first place. Remember too that this is after PATFO had given Mills and Gasol their new contracts. Making a move for another guard at August would have been hard, especially without trading Aldridge.

When Irving became available, the Spurs never made a formal offer, just a lot of speculation of whom the Spurs could offer. I believe K-Love's name came up on draft day as a possible target but the Spurs were desperately trying to move up in the draft and it made sense to name drop Danny and LMA because they were the Spurs' only real assets along with Dejounte. In fact, I think they would have shopped Dejounte and Aldridge for Irving had they made a play for him and Aldridge and Green for Love. No reason to sign Irving and stunt Murray's development/growth by burying him in the depth chart.

We can go over and over what was rumored, reported and speculated at the time. But that was a long time ago. I will say that Murray seemed to have been part of the Irving package, given how he was handled in the summer league that year. Of course, there's zero reason to believe Murray and Irving would not have played together under Pop, seeing as the Spurs play Murray at the two regularly. If Mills and Murray play together, Kyrie and Murray totally would have been able to.

IIRC, the Spurs were desperate to dump LMA and the Spurs actually wanted the Sun's draft pick for themselves and the Suns shot down the deal emphatically. I think the Spurs were even willing to take the corpse of Tyson Chandler in the deal.

It was reported/rumored SA was shopping LMA for a high pick and that they were not able to find a partner. Anything about what PATFO would have been willing to take back besides a high pick or how close they were to agreeing to a lesser offer is speculation. Pop himself said that he told Aldridge he'd only trade him for a star player, so if there's any evidence out there, it points to the Spurs not being desperate to dump LMA and toward them not placing a tremendously high value on a draft pick. Looking at how they played the Leonard trade, it seems even more obvious that they weren't looking to dump Aldridge for a package containing mostly future value. This isn't about you or us agreeing with their priorities or execution. Just looking at what we heard paints a picture different than you're arguing existed.

Yes, I heard the speculation but why wait until Kawhi was halfway out the door to bribe him to stay? The Spurs could have done this a year earlier but instead, they chose to chase a ghost in CP3 who was obviously using the Spurs to get a fifth year from the Clippers. I think the only one's who couldn't see it were the two dead heads running the front office. And when that failed, they literally destroyed their remaining cap space on Mills and Gasol. I don't believe the Spurs had anything on the table last offseason I remember hearing something along the lines the Spurs would bring in a third star to pair with Kawhi and Aldridge but that was kind of impossible without moving Gasol and Paddy's contract or Tony's contract ( more reasonable but for sentimental reasons, extremely unlikely).

You're en led to think that way. I've certainly had my own share of disagreements with PATFO, even though I'm mostly content with the mixture of talent and potential on their roster. We're getting away from the point that started this exchange, though. I do think there were very few scenarios where Green remained a Spur this season. The team needed an upgrade at the guard spot, and with Walker there as backup and potentially Murray there for defensive purposes, Danny just didn't have a place on the team. But his contract and track record made him very tradeable, even if clubs would not have given up value for him by himself. The difference between having a team take on Danny and having that same team take on Mills is huge. If Kemba/DeRozan was really on the table for something PATFO could meet, I don't think there's any way in Danny wasn't part of that.

[DAF86]

There's just no way PATFO couldn't work their way into giving up Mills or Gasol instead of Green. ing horrible front office job.

[Hoops Czar]

Chinook That article doesn't even mention the Spurs. Why would the Spurs pull Aldridge off the table? He didn't even sign his extension until October of that year.

[kobyz]

We should have demend raptors to throw in at least delon wright

[Kawhitstorm]

Who knows if RC had any choice. Kawhi had put the Spurs in a bad position.

Blame Pop-a-zit

[DJR210]

Having a pick on the line has been great, it's allowed me to be a fan of the Raptors and cheer like I give a about them.

[Kawhitstorm]

There's just no way PATFO couldn't work their way into giving up Mills or Gasol instead of Green. ing horrible front office job.

: "I'm the decider! I'm always the smartest person in the room, you can't tell me anything!"

[kobyz]

Spurs should not have traded kawhi at all, what a stupid decision, even in that situation and even if there 99% he left after the season, you take your chance and that one year, unless you getting a superstar for him... Pop once again was caught up in his morals...

[therealtruth]

I'm glad they threw Green in. I think he'll do a lot better out of Pop's system.

[Kurgan]

danny wilted next to the corpse of tony parker. now he's thriving playing next to a real point guard in lowry. that parker contract extension killed this franchise but good

[ceperez]

Sad times. It was bad enough to move Kawhi but the wing stop duo...

Raptors are going to march straight into the finals because defense wins playoff games.

Their only obstacle is Boston. Now Stevens is a brilliant coach, but they might not be a good matchup against an equally young and athletic team like the Raptors.

Offensively, both teams are about even, but you can't argue that the Raps have a air tight defensive core in Ibaka, Siakam, Anunoby, Leonard, Green. This team if healthy might not lose a single Eastern conference game.

[ElNono]

It was the right thing to do, on both sides, tbh, he was too comfy on the Spurs and in San Antonio clubs... now he has to go out there and start again, showing teams he's worth a fat stack of money...

The Spurs will try to offset some of his vastly overrated defense with some extra offense in guys like White, etc...