Giving up contract year Danny Green was a very very stupid thing to do

[daslicer]

clippers can give him max 140-150m using their capspace
plays closer to home...
winning? i doubt he cares anymore...

You are probably right about him not caring about winning anymore. Honestly if he never wins another ring I'm satisfied.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Couldn’t say it better myself. Worst part is I can’t escape this since I’m in Toronto visiting my in-laws. my life

I live in Toronto, situation is brutal

[TDMVPDPOY]

danny was clearly declining, just because its a contract year he put work in? fck that clown...

but why did they patfo threw him in part of the deal? wasnt there anyone else available to throw in? fkn patfo doing stupid as usual...

besides the 3 tosb, seriously the last 2-3 yeaars i question some of the patfo stupid moves

dedmon
lee
simmons
anderson
green
kawhi

thats basically a good roster rotation right there...

[coachmac87]

He has been on fire so far. Spurs desperately could have used him.

He’s playing with an all star point guard

[TDMVPDPOY]

He’s playing with an all star point guard

beats playing with a freeloader pg who wont pass him or anyone not name duncan the ball...

[Kurgan]

beats playing with a freeloader pg who wont pass him or anyone not name duncan the ball...

parker has always held back the spurs. and he still wanted to play for three more years. beyond selfish human being.

[vy65]

Spurs tried for a ing year to resolve the issues with Kawhi. It's the reason why allegedly they passed up on a trade with Boston before the trade deadline because they believed the issues Kawhi was having could be resolved. Michael C Wright reported during the summertime how Kawhi hid and ran from Spurs team doctors when they tried to meet him in the NY NBA headquarters. That's when I was convinced the relationship was beyond repair. Kawhi by doing what he did in NYC proved to be a brainwashed basket case controlled by his uncle. The way him and his uncle felt about the Spurs was never going to change. They were adamant for the relationship to come to an end hence why Kawhi faked injury for a year and was unreachable for the most part. Kawhi was leaving and the only way he stays was if the Spurs became the LA Spurs.

It's funny you say it's conceivable that Kawhi would stay in Toronto if they are winning considering the Spurs were always winning when he played full seasons. They had 2 back to back 60 plus win season with him and he still wanted out. I really do believe Kawhi has a huge ego and believes that he can win anywhere regardless of the talent around him so winning is not going to be enough for Toronto to keep him. There is a small chance in that he could stay in Toronto and if he does then I will admit the Spurs lost the trade but the odds of him staying in Toronto is as high as Trump going a day without telling a lie. 90 percent chance Kawhi will be a Clipper next summer.

Yet the spurs still believed that, during the early part of the summer, the relationship was still salvageable. It wasn’t until June that the trade demand came out. Prior to that all reports (and the FOs front office) was that everything was salvageable. In that light, the trade was a pennies on the dollar panic move.

I’m not saying he’s going to stay in Toronto. I have no clue. All I’m saying is that it’s possible and if it comes to pass, PATFO will need to be taken out back and put down.

[daslicer]

Yet the spurs still believed that, during the early part of the summer, the relationship was still salvageable. It wasn’t until June that the trade demand came out. Prior to that all reports (and the FOs front office) was that everything was salvageable. In that light, the trade was a pennies on the dollar panic move.

I’m not saying he’s going to stay in Toronto. I have no clue. All I’m saying is that it’s possible and if it comes to pass, PATFO will need to be taken out back and put down.

I feel the Spurs were in denial for most of the year about what was going on. The Spurs were equivalent to that stupid cuck who catches his wife cheating a bunch of times but wants to still believe the wife still loves them. They just couldn't accept what was going on and wanted to believe Kawhi would come to his senses that's why they wasted a whole entire year trying to placate him. They screwed up big time and should have tried to trade Kawhi immediately around December. They couldn't have gotten a lot of great offers around that time of year.

If you want to be upset at PATFO I would say be upset about how they didn't trade Kawhi earlier around last season. I have heard the Celtics were willing to give up anything for Kawhi around December of last year but the Spurs stupidly passed them up. They could have gotten Tatum and some solid players along with picks. That will always hurt. After Kawhi put it out to the rest of world he wanted to be in LA the Spurs were screwed out of getting good value for him. Don't be stupid and believe any GM was going to give up fair value for a basket case player just for a 1 year rental.

Spurs were never going to get equal value in any scenario just for offering a 1 year rental for Kawhi. The bottom line is the relationship wasn't salvageable and PATFO screwed up by waiting until the summer time to trade Kawhi. I don't understand why people like you can't accept it. It sucks and it's just one of those lose lose situations.

[vy65]

I feel the Spurs were in denial for most of the year about what was going on. The Spurs were equivalent to that stupid cuck who catches his wife cheating a bunch of times but wants to still believe the wife still loves them. They just couldn't accept what was going on and wanted to believe Kawhi would come to his senses that's why they wasted a whole entire year trying to placate him. They screwed up big time and should have tried to trade Kawhi immediately around December. They couldn't have gotten a lot of great offers around that time of year.

Is this supposed to be an excuse for PATFO?

If you want to be upset at PATFO I would say be upset about how they didn't trade Kawhi earlier around last season. I have heard the Celtics were willing to give up anything for Kawhi around December of last year but the Spurs stupidly passed them up. They could have gotten Tatum and some solid players along with picks. That will always hurt. After Kawhi put it out to the rest of world he wanted to be in LA the Spurs were screwed out of getting good value for him. Don't be stupid and believe any GM was going to give up fair value for a basket case player just for a 1 year rental.

No. I'm upset that they sold too soon, that they didn't give themselves more time, and made a rash decision based on what appears to be a few weeks of information. They brought LMA back into the fold. PG re-upped with OKC after all but promising to go to LA. A lot can happen over the course of a year, particularly when you can offer a super-max deal. That they traded a top-3 talent at all and especially for value is the immense failure - not waiting too long to trade him

Spurs were never going to get equal value in any scenario just for offering a 1 year rental for Kawhi. The bottom line is the relationship wasn't salvageable and PATFO screwed up by waiting until the summer time to trade Kawhi. I don't understand why people like you can't accept it. It sucks and it's just one of those lose lose situations.

Agree they were never going to get equal value. How do you know the relationship wasn't salvageable? For someone like Kawhi, I'd easily risk him walking for nothing if it bought me another year to bring him back into the fold. The alternative is the pile of we currently have as a team.

[daslicer]

Is this supposed to be an excuse for PATFO?



No. I'm upset that they sold too soon, that they didn't give themselves more time, and made a rash decision based on what appears to be a few weeks of information. They brought LMA back into the fold. PG re-upped with OKC after all but promising to go to LA. A lot can happen over the course of a year, particularly when you can offer a super-max deal. That they traded a top-3 talent at all and especially for value is the immense failure - not waiting too long to trade him



Agree they were never going to get equal value. How do you know the relationship wasn't salvageable? For someone like Kawhi, I'd easily risk him walking for nothing if it bought me another year to bring him back into the fold. The alternative is the pile of we currently have as a team.

1.I'm not giving PATFO any excuses. I just called them a bunch of dumb cucks for being in denial of the situation. How is that an excuse. Like I said before they should have traded him earlier before the summertime which would have resulted in them getting better value.
2. The PG example can't be used for Kawhi. PG was not a guy obsessed with endorsements and controlled by a uncle who is also controlled by a bunch of greedy Jews. Factor in that PG was willing to have open communications with OKC throughout the whole entire year while Kawhi wasn't with the Spurs.
3. I feel the relationship wasn't salvageable because the motther er went into hiding for a whole entire year and cut off communications with the Spurs until he was forced to have an exit interview with them. He also faked an injury. He just didn't want to be in SA.
4. The injuries to Dejounte,Lonnie,White pretty much destroyed the Spurs ability to be a really good team. We don't know how good they would have been had those guys been all healthy. So basically you preferred to have a 1 year rental of Kawhi and then to rebuild. I'm not going to argue which strategy would have been better just that I don't think either way Kawhi was going to stay a Spurs long term.

[therealtruth]

PATFO already know that DDR/Gay can make game saving plays like that double block on Tatum that Danny and Kawhi made (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjcNzFyV6_I).

[YGWHI]

1.I'm not giving PATFO any excuses. I just called them a bunch of dumb cucks for being in denial of the situation. How is that an excuse. Like I said before they should have traded him earlier before the summertime which would have resulted in them getting better value.

PATFO has issues to read players' situations lately.

Pop said he didn't know that LMA was upset until he asked for a trade.
Most articles said the Spurs ignored how much Kawhi was angry until he stopped communication with them and let his uncle to take control.

Or PATFO is losing "the touch" ...Or they're making mistakes by minimizing complex situations.

[daslicer]

PATFO has issues to read players' situations lately.

Pop said he didn't know that LMA was upset until he asked for a trade.
Most articles said the Spurs ignored how much Kawhi was angry until he stopped communication with them and let his uncle to take control.

Or PATFO is losing "the touch" ...Or they're making mistakes by minimizing complex situations.

I agree they don't know how to read players.

[Hoops Czar]

PATFO has issues to read players' situations lately.

Pop said he didn't know that LMA was upset until he asked for a trade.
Most articles said the Spurs ignored how much Kawhi was angry until he stopped communication with them and let his uncle to take control.

Or PATFO is losing "the touch" ...Or they're making mistakes by minimizing complex situations.

They really do need to hire a team psychologist to deal with diva players and uncles.

[YGWHI]

They really do need to hire a team psychologist to deal with diva players and uncles.

Of course they need one. League have changed, players have changed, PATFO is too much old school to deal with these changes and new NBA era.

To be fair, they had a psychologist that was Spurs' "mental training coach" in previous years. Didn't know what happened to him.

[objective]

They should focus on developing front office talent from within.

Promoting interns from the crap Magic who can snuggle so sweetly with their old internmates on other teams to get deals done ... it's bad for business.

Just like getting Lindsay who immediately pushed Scola on his former team.

No more loyalties above the Spurs

[TD 21]

1. Like I said before national media has said this was the best trade the Spurs could do considering the cir stance. I know you are stupid but damn your reading comprehension sucks.
2. So they gifted the Raptors a great team for 1 year whose best case scenario is getting curbstomped by the Warriors in the Finals. I consider gifting when a team wins a championship off a trade ala Lakers with Kobe,Gasol,Kareem.
3. What's the point of keeping Kawhi a few months longer if they are going to get a penny on the dollar trade anyways. I actually think Spurs would have gotten worse offers if they kept Kawhi longer considering no team would be stupid enough to trade even a good asset like Demar for 3-4 month rental. Spurs were in a lose lose situation with Kawhi considering players in the last year of their contract don't get much in return plus Kawhi's demand to go to LA scared off a lot of potential suitors. Look at the Kyrie Irving trade the Cavs did that's the type of trade you are more likely to get more so than a PG type of trade.
4. I'm glad you were smart enough to realize the Spurs weren't beating the Warriors. Proves a broke clock is right at least twice a day.
5. Derozan is a LA guy. That's the only place I could see him wanting to leave the Spurs for but I doubt the Clippers or Lakers will be interested in him in 2 years. More likely he stays if the Spurs give him the max and you gotta factor in the no state tax. Also with the Spurs he's allowed to maintain the same type of role he had with the Raptors.
6. Raptors winning the trade all depends on the results of it. Don't be stupid this is a results oriented league. If they end up with not winning a le and Kawhi leaves they will end up looking stupid since they gave up an all-star caliber player in his prime just for a 1 year rental. They will start feeling that pain when they are a 30 win team next season without Kawhi. I can admit the Spurs do end up losing on the trade if Kawhi stays with the Raptors.
7. at calling me a racist. Yes you can say I'm a racist but I tend to hate all races equally. I don't think there is a superior race since all races have flaws. I like to say proudly it's because I'm intolerant that I'm tolerant.
8. I recommend that you buy some tampons to help deal with the PMS you are suffering from due to Kawhi's departure.

- Like I said, if the Raptors wouldn't budge on Gasol instead of Green, then they should have taken the puke into the season. If they were going to be forced to make an embarrassing trade, they should have had the resolve to wait until absolutely necessary.

- Best case scenario, is they get to the Finals, Curry or Durant get injured and they have a shot to win the championship. Short of that, they're still capable of giving them a compe ive series. Do that and they damn sure don't hurt their odds of re-signing the prick.

- Point is, Cousins wasn't the tipping point, genius.

- A then 31 year old DeRozan, who plays an archaic style, isn't getting the max. An Aldridge type extension is probably most likely.

- The Raptors can't end up looking stupid. They went from perennial pretenders to having a shot to be contenders (Curry or Durant injury caveat). Anyone with half a brain does that in a second.

[YGWHI]

They should focus on developing front office talent from within.

Promoting interns from the crap Magic who can snuggle so sweetly with their old internmates on other teams to get deals done ... it's bad for business.

Just like getting Lindsay who immediately pushed Scola on his former team.

No more loyalties above the Spurs

[daslicer]

- Like I said, if the Raptors wouldn't budge on Gasol instead of Green, then they should have taken the puke into the season. If they were going to be forced to make an embarrassing trade, they should have had the resolve to wait until absolutely necessary.

- Best case scenario, is they get to the Finals, Curry or Durant get injured and they have a shot to win the championship. Short of that, they're still capable of giving them a compe ive series. Do that and they damn sure don't hurt their odds of re-signing the prick.

- Point is, Cousins wasn't the tipping point, genius.

- A then 31 year old DeRozan, who plays an archaic style, isn't getting the max. An Aldridge type extension is probably most likely.

- The Raptors can't end up looking stupid. They went from perennial pretenders to having a shot to be contenders (Curry or Durant injury caveat). Anyone with half a brain does that in a second.

1. If the Spurs waited longer they were going to get an even worse offer. All the offers prior to the Demar offer were even tier. I don't see teams giving up anything of good value for a 1 year rental. You can keep screaming until you are blue in the face but it just wasn't going to happen for spurs when it comes to getting a good deal.
2. So basically the Raptors have to hope for Curry or Durant to tear an ACL. Most likely that will not happen. Let's be real Raptors are not winning against the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's not even guaranteed the Raptors will come out of the East.
3. Kawhi will be a Clipper. Spurs were 60 plus win team the last 2 years and he still wanted out. His ego is so big that I'm sure he believes he can win anywhere regardless of talent.
4. Raptors will look stupid when they are a 30 win team next fall. I guess most GM's don't have half a brain since all of them were not willing to give up anything of value to get Kawhi. For example Boston wasn't willing to give up any member for their core of Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Irving for Kawhi because they knew he was a 1 year rental that would bail on them. Very stupid to gamble on a 1 year rental when it doesn't make you the favorites to win the le.
5. at saying Cousins wasn't the tipping point. Cousins is a 20-10 player and he gives the Warriors an inside presence that they have never had. He makes the Warriors even harder to defend. You can't be stupid to believe adding a 20-10 player who is perennial all-star is not going to tip the scales in their favor.
6. Feel free to gloat if Kawhi stays in Toronto next summer but I'm confident I will get the last laugh when he bolts to the Clippers.
7. I don't care if Derozan gets the max or if he doesn't. Point is if the Spurs want to keep him they will be able to.

[TD 21]

1. If the Spurs waited longer they were going to get an even worse offer. All the offers prior to the Demar offer were even tier. I don't see teams giving up anything of good value for a 1 year rental. You can keep screaming until you are blue in the face but it just wasn't going to happen for spurs when it comes to getting a good deal.
2. So basically the Raptors have to hope for Curry or Durant to tear an ACL. Most likely that will not happen. Let's be real Raptors are not winning against the Warriors in a 7 game series. It's not even guaranteed the Raptors will come out of the East.
3. Kawhi will be a Clipper. Spurs were 60 plus win team the last 2 years and he still wanted out. His ego is so big that I'm sure he believes he can win anywhere regardless of talent.
4. Raptors will look stupid when they are a 30 win team next fall. I guess most GM's don't have half a brain since all of them were not willing to give up anything of value to get Kawhi. For example Boston wasn't willing to give up any member for their core of Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Irving for Kawhi because they knew he was a 1 year rental that would bail on them. Very stupid to gamble on a 1 year rental when it doesn't make you the favorites to win the le.
5. at saying Cousins wasn't the tipping point. Cousins is a 20-10 player and he gives the Warriors an inside presence that they have never had. He makes the Warriors even harder to defend. You can't be stupid to believe adding a 20-10 player who is perennial all-star is not going to tip the scales in their favor.
6. Feel free to gloat if Kawhi stays in Toronto next summer but I'm confident I will get the last laugh when he bolts to the Clippers.
7. I don't care if Derozan gets the max or if he doesn't. Point is if the Spurs want to keep him they will be able to.

- I realize that and said as much. My point was, the Raptors probably would have been desperate enough in season to offer DeRozan and Poeltl. So if the worst case scenario from waiting was to lose the 27th-30th pick vs 1) hoping they concede on Gasol instead of Green, 2) having a miniscule chance of repairing the relationship in season and 3) at least avoiding embarrassment until all options were exhausted, it would have been worth it.

- Had they not made the trade, that wouldn't have been enough to have a shot.

- Since the Spurs can't catch a break, I wouldn't rule out Leonard's re-signing; making the trade look even worse.

- Even if he bolts, it was still worth it. Opportunities to (pseudo) contend are scarce and should never be passed up. The Celtics were different than the Raptors because they already had the pieces to (pseudo) contend.

- Even you can't be this stupid. The biggest 3 aging out + the Durant signing ended any shot of the Spurs contending. Besides, Cousins won't be anywhere near what he was for minimum this season, if not ever.

- You're missing the point. The Raptors had hit their ceiling. Sure, it'll be difficult to build back to where they were, but aside from the money, the whole point of professional sports is to win a championship(s).

[JeffDuncan]

As long as we're off topic, I've been watching a little of SAC vs OKC. The best part so far was the Thunder Girls.

The Spurs organization has become incredibly stupid.

[rogcl1]

There was no way to predict the injuries to the young guys so even a declining Green would now help the current perimeter defense. Green did set the nets on fire in his last game at a sizzling 1 for 9 rate.

[gambit1990]

if the spurs doctors detected green’s groin injury last season then his trade value would’ve been higher/maybe the spurs would’ve held on to him.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Danny on fire again tonight

[hitmantb]

A HUGE part of Green's decline was because of the ineffective dribble penetration from Parker/Ginobili in recent years. When he is paired with a top point guard, suddenly he is back to his old self. Coincidence? I think not.