Giving up contract year Danny Green was a very very stupid thing to do

[DAF86]

- Like I said, if the Raptors wouldn't budge on Gasol instead of Green, then they should have taken the puke into the season. If they were going to be forced to make an embarrassing trade, they should have had the resolve to wait until absolutely necessary.

- Best case scenario, is they get to the Finals, Curry or Durant get injured and they have a shot to win the championship. Short of that, they're still capable of giving them a compe ive series. Do that and they damn sure don't hurt their odds of re-signing the prick.

- Point is, Cousins wasn't the tipping point, genius.

- A then 31 year old DeRozan, who plays an archaic style, isn't getting the max. An Aldridge type extension is probably most likely.

- The Raptors can't end up looking stupid. They went from perennial pretenders to having a shot to be contenders (Curry or Durant injury caveat). Anyone with half a brain does that in a second.

Forget a Curry or Durant injury. If Kawhi stays healthy a Warriors/Raptors final would be pretty ing even. Specially with the Raptors getting HCA, which is pretty possible.

[daslicer]

- I realize that and said as much. My point was, the Raptors probably would have been desperate enough in season to offer DeRozan and Poeltl. So if the worst case scenario from waiting was to lose the 27th-30th pick vs 1) hoping they concede on Gasol instead of Green, 2) having a miniscule chance of repairing the relationship in season and 3) at least avoiding embarrassment until all options were exhausted, it would have been worth it.

- Had they not made the trade, that wouldn't have been enough to have a shot.

- Since the Spurs can't catch a break, I wouldn't rule out Leonard's re-signing; making the trade look even worse.

- Even if he bolts, it was still worth it. Opportunities to (pseudo) contend are scarce and should never be passed up. The Celtics were different than the Raptors because they already had the pieces to (pseudo) contend.

- Even you can't be this stupid. The biggest 3 aging out + the Durant signing ended any shot of the Spurs contending. Besides, Cousins won't be anywhere near what he was for minimum this season, if not ever.

- You're missing the point. The Raptors had hit their ceiling. Sure, it'll be difficult to build back to where they were, but aside from the money, the whole point of professional sports is to win a championship(s).

1.Spurs would have beaten them in 2017 if Kawhi didn't get hurt. I have debated this a million times in other threads so I'm not going to beat a dead horse.
2. You have to be pretty stupid to believe a 20-10 all-star bigman in his prime won't be a difference maker for the Warriors. They may not get Cousins at 100 percent but they'll get him around 80 percent and Cousins around 80 percent is still better than the majority of bigs in this league. In the Warriors offensive system with defenses not being able to focus on him it will allow him to create a lot of havoc.
3. Your argument in a nust is this was a great move for the Raptors even though they have no chance of beating the Warriors unless one of the Warriors big 4 get injured. I just don't buy into your argument. You will never change my mind but for me if the Raptors don't win a le this year and lose Kawhi next summer then this trade was an epic fail. So lets leave it at that. We have beaten this dead horse a bunch of times and neither of us are going to convince each other.
4. I'm just calling my shots now which is Raptors won't be winning this year and Kawhi will ditch them come summertime. If I'm wrong feel free to rub it in. If you feel Kawhi is going to stay with the Raptors then just be man enough to say it. We'll see who is right come July.
5. You can't assume the Raptors would be willing to depart with Derozan come mid season especially if they are having another great season and they are on a pace to win around 57-60 wins. You also have to factor in that Kawhi's demands to go to LA would have become louder every day and it would be very risky for Ujiri to pull that type of move and risk a huge fan backlash. Ujiri can easily sell this trade right now by telling the fans that they have a year to convince Kawhi to stay but I doubt he could sell the idea that they could convince Kawhi to stay just after being there for 3 months.

[TDMVPDPOY]

all i know, former spurs players usually take a on the spurs h2h games....

whether its the hatred for patfo or former big3 tosb holding them back fullfilling their potential cause they are down t he pecking order to get minutes...

[Mugen]

Forget a Curry or Durant injury. If Kawhi stays healthy a Warriors/Raptors final would be pretty ing even. Specially with the Raptors getting HCA, which is pretty possible.

[DAF86]

Dude, have you even seen the Raptors play? Serious question.

[YGWHI]

Dude, have you even seen the Raptors play? Serious question.

IMO it's too early for this. C's look weird now but their ceiling -esp in last months of regular season and playoffs- seems way higher than Raptors. We'll see.

[DAF86]

IMO it's too early for this. C's look weird now but their ceiling -esp in last months of regular season and playoffs- seems way higher than Raptors. We'll see.

The Raptors are a 60 wins team that just swapped Kawhi for DeRozan and got Danny Green as cherry on top. They are scary good and deep as . Most likely the deepest team in the entire league.

[HarlemHeat37]

IMO it's too early for this. C's look weird now but their ceiling -esp in last months of regular season and playoffs- seems way higher than Raptors. We'll see.

People seem to ignore that Boston's impressive run in the playoffs was without the cancerous Kyrie..

He doesn't know how to play PG or run a team, they have too many mouths to feed now..

[TDMVPDPOY]

his current form, whose to say he would play like this on the spurs this year if he wasnt traded??

and yes i take him over any midget when the league is going to a 6'8 players league

[HarlemHeat37]

He looks like he did in 2014-2015, but it's too early to believe he's back for good..tiny sample size..

Even if he is back in that form, why should we assume that he would have been the same player in the Spurs' antiquated system?

[JeffDuncan]

Danny is lighter on his feet now without Pop on his back.

[Dverde]

Part of it was getting the deal before uncle Dennis and wide receiver step dad blowing it up.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He looks like he did in 2014-2015, but it's too early to believe he's back for good..tiny sample size..

Even if he is back in that form, why should we assume that he would have been the same player in the Spurs' antiquated system?

Very true. I just feel like in a contract year he was gonna go all out. But the Raptors also have much better playmakers than the Spurs

[Prose]

I live in Toronto, situation is brutal

Interesting bro. I’m in oakville. What about you? What made you a spurs fan

[Fireball]

just watched the condensed game of the raps -- Danny was all over the place ... blocking shots ... raining threes ... happy for him. seems he just needed a new location and motivation.

Kawhi on the other hand can just die imo

[RC_Drunkford]

A HUGE part of Green's decline was because of the ineffective dribble penetration from Parker/Ginobili in recent years. When he is paired with a top point guard, suddenly he is back to his old self. Coincidence? I think not.

Mind boggling that Pop didn't consider this. We have that personell again with Derozan and White once he gets healthy and run a ton of motion offense. Green would be perfect for the starting unit right now

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Interesting bro. I’m in oakville. What about you? What made you a spurs fan

I’m in Vaughan. Grew up a huge David Robinson fan as a kid and it just snowballed from there

How about you?

[SpursDynasty85]

just watched the condensed game of the raps -- Danny was all over the place ... blocking shots ... raining threes ... happy for him. seems he just needed a new location and motivation.

Kawhi on the other hand can just die imo

He had a great start last year too. I think the injury mentioned was definitely a factor like he said.


Contract Danny seems motivated but still he had some mediocre seasons with us recently and he is getting up there in age. We definitely could've used him this year but I'm sure he was a must for the trade to work not only for his expiring but for Kawhi's transition.

[RC_Drunkford]

I still hope he comes back in the offseason when his contract expires. Although we should try to get somebody younger I guess. 3-and-D players are more valuable than ever, especially when they can defend in transition

[TD 21]

Forget a Curry or Durant injury. If Kawhi stays healthy a Warriors/Raptors final would be pretty ing even. Specially with the Raptors getting HCA, which is pretty possible.

Maybe. Warriors depth is shot. If they can't get a 3 and D wing in the buyout window or Iguodala can't pull an Horry and come alive in the WCF and Finals, their lack of 3 point shooting and wing/perimeter depth, as well as arrogance/fatigue, could prove costly.

Homecourt or not, I'd still favor them though because of the high end talent advantage, which would likely be exacerbated in this hypothetical matchup because Lowry generally wears down throughout the season and is terrible in the playoffs.

1.Spurs would have beaten them in 2017 if Kawhi didn't get hurt. I have debated this a million times in other threads so I'm not going to beat a dead horse.
2. You have to be pretty stupid to believe a 20-10 all-star bigman in his prime won't be a difference maker for the Warriors. They may not get Cousins at 100 percent but they'll get him around 80 percent and Cousins around 80 percent is still better than the majority of bigs in this league. In the Warriors offensive system with defenses not being able to focus on him it will allow him to create a lot of havoc.
3. Your argument in a nust is this was a great move for the Raptors even though they have no chance of beating the Warriors unless one of the Warriors big 4 get injured. I just don't buy into your argument. You will never change my mind but for me if the Raptors don't win a le this year and lose Kawhi next summer then this trade was an epic fail. So lets leave it at that. We have beaten this dead horse a bunch of times and neither of us are going to convince each other.
4. I'm just calling my shots now which is Raptors won't be winning this year and Kawhi will ditch them come summertime. If I'm wrong feel free to rub it in. If you feel Kawhi is going to stay with the Raptors then just be man enough to say it. We'll see who is right come July.
5. You can't assume the Raptors would be willing to depart with Derozan come mid season especially if they are having another great season and they are on a pace to win around 57-60 wins. You also have to factor in that Kawhi's demands to go to LA would have become louder every day and it would be very risky for Ujiri to pull that type of move and risk a huge fan backlash. Ujiri can easily sell this trade right now by telling the fans that they have a year to convince Kawhi to stay but I doubt he could sell the idea that they could convince Kawhi to stay just after being there for 3 months.

- Not a chance. That had 6 game series written all over it. Spurs were riding the wave of annihilating the Rockets in shorthanded fashion, while the Warriors were a combination of rusty and arrogant.

- You have to be extremely stupid to ignore the history of Achilles tears plus the role he'll play. He won't get the minutes or usage to put up big counting stats. He also has a massive ego and is used to being a ball stopper and sporting a monstrous usage rate. Can, at 28, he deal, in a contract year no less, with mostly being their version of Gasol?

- If you're conceivably one injury away (and they're due) from winning a championship against arguably the most top heavy team ever, that's about as good a position as you can be in right now.

- Ujiri loves attention and wanted to trade DeRozan anyway. He just needed a return he could sell. Even a half season of Leonard would have done the trick. Of course I can't say with certainty that he would have, but the same applies to you.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It sucks to think DG only picks up his game in a year that he's trying to get paid.

[callo1]

A HUGE part of Green's decline was because of the ineffective dribble penetration from Parker/Ginobili in recent years. When he is paired with a top point guard, suddenly he is back to his old self. Coincidence? I think not.

Been saying the same for years now. Spot on.

[koriwhat]

It sucks to think DG only picks up his game in a year that he's trying to get paid.

he did the same prior to the spurs resigning him. sickening tbh.

[dontouchmebwo]

It was EXTREMELY stupid, Green looks the most well rounded I've ever seen him, he can actually put the ball on the floor a bit now. Danny was back to elite role player status the beginning of last year too before he injured his groin and played injured.

[RD2191]

It was EXTREMELY stupid, Green looks the most well rounded I've ever seen him, he can actually put the ball on the floor a bit now. Danny was back to elite role player status the beginning of last year too before he injured his groin and played injured.

Danny needed a change of scenery tbh. His game was getting stale in SA. He'd be the same old bag if he were still in SA.