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Amazing how you omitted a guy by the name of Tim Duncan who had a resurgence from 2012-2015.
Best defensive wing combo in the league since that span and both had above average 3 point shooting for their position, nobody else in the league had that. They cleaned up for senior citizens like Parker, Ginobili, Gasol, and bad defenders like Mills big time. They were a big reason for Tim's resurgence as Tim no longer had to clean up after 37 years old Bowen or Richard Jefferson, and could rely on them to spread the defense.
Offensively, Parker and Ginobili became completely ineffective in dribble penetrations in recent years, and as a result greatly hindered Green's quality of catches in his catch-and-shoot game.
It is refreshing to see these two in Toronto. Every position they have is strong defensively, and when you add Green/Leonard it just becomes ridiculous. Lowry is a top point guard in his own right and can do everything 2012 Parker can do.
When they don't have to scramble around to cover for everyone on help defense, their offense really blossoms. Seriously, if Durant had to do what Leonard had to do in Spurs defensively, he wouldn't be nearly as effective on offense.
This Raptors team, IF HEALTHY, will make it out of the East and is a warrior injury away (honestly not too far fetched, Durant/Curry were both very close to season enders last two seasons) from being able to take it all. Four straight finals is a lot of wear and tear and Warriors looked completely vulnerable without Iguodala, and needed Chris Paul injury to get past the Rockets last year.
Last edited by hitmantb; 10-23-2018 at 12:17 AM.
Amazing how you omitted a guy by the name of Tim Duncan who had a resurgence from 2012-2015.
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Here's hoping it never gets to 359. like this deserves to be locked/pinked.
when u have 4 perimeter players on ur roster who can play defense 48mins, but u go and trot out mental midgets or the turd towers....
3tosb shouldve retired after the last championship
parker best form year cucking a team mate, weak year also with alot of players out injured thats why he was always in mvp talks, then goes bend over in a grizz sweep first round...lol, shouldve been let go or traded, lol corporate culture my ass...
Duncan was still playing at a high level after 2014. His knee went out half way through his final season. So GTFO here with your nonsense.
this is completely not controversial. But kawhi became something else, which caused green to suffer, LMA was a factor too "muh touches"
Also, don't sell BOBO short.
Tim is my favorite player of all time, and I rank him higher than any media.
But 2012-2015 Tim's recovery was a distant secondary factor. In fact, for most of Tim's career, his championship contention is directly related to the wing strength. 99 Elie/Elliot, weak wing play and could not contend with Lakers from 00-02, then Bowen/Ginobili from 03-07 getting him most rings. Tim's struggle from 08-11 had as much to do with his own decline as the poor quality of wing play. From 2012-2015, he benefited more from playing with Leonard/Green than the other way around, increasingly so as he aged. You really think we had a miraculous turn around season in 2012, more because of Tim than Leonard?
In 2013 finals, it really wouldn't have been close at all if Green/Leonard did not punch way above their weight class at the time. And in 2014 finals, just when I thought Spurs was headed for a 98 Jazz disappointment after losing home court, Leonard CANCELED OUT LeBron three straight games! Can you imagine if 98 Jazz had someone who canceled out Jordan three straight games? We do not ring that year if Leonard played an average finals.
Last edited by hitmantb; 10-22-2018 at 09:52 PM.
If Tim retires after 2012 then the Spurs don't win another le. Green,Kawhi were equally reliant on Tim as Tim was on them from 2012-2015.
Don't know about this, but what those guys did to CHA tonight was nasty.
Tim Duncan was absolutely the best Spur in the 2014 playoffs. If you say otherwise, you better back it up, because you're wrong.
treadmill team till they got kawhi which extended the 3tosb careers, all of a sudden spurs become contenders again due to youth and perimeter players added
wcf/finals/finals/first round exit++++ this is when the spurs drafted kawhi, that was a good 3-4 year run...b4 that, where was the 3tosb during the enrique parker reign with the keys to the car? fkn fodder team...
when the spurs had any 4 of this rotation diaw/jax/kawhi/green/ginoboli/rj.... they mismanage how to utilize 4 perimeter players who can give you solid 2-way performance, they were all above avg 2way players, instead of having any 2 of the combos on the floor and 2 off the bench to keep the team defense up 48min, pop goes and chuck in turd tower rotations or mental midgets out there....
Celtics are arguably better, brah. Don't put the cart before the horse.
IMO Irving and Hayward will never be the same again, these were serious injuries.
They also have chemistry issues. They need to make Tatum undisputed #1 but that will cause issue with Irving/Hayward. They won't be able to resolve this without some trades.
Keep in mind, Pop never gave Leonard free reign on offense until finals game 3. There is a reason Leonard's first statement to Pop after winning it all was "THANK YOU FOR TRUSTING ME, OH MY GOD". For all the injury drama we know of, think about how much politics Leonard had to deal with to "earn his shots" versus the veterans, up until that point.
Tim Duncan was absolutely the best Spur in the 2014 playoffs. If you say otherwise, you better back it up, because you're wrong.
And as much as we all remembered Tim's heroic/unexpected post-ups against Thunder in OT, it was Leonard's ridiculous mid-air steal on Westbrook that sealed the game.
When Pop finally allowed Leonard to be Spurs #1 option, he delivered on the biggest stage against best player in the league at the time playing the same position. We are not talking about Andre Iguodala "doing good" vs LeBron. We are talking about tying LeBron on the overall stat sheet three straight games, in a tied play-off series.
Last edited by hitmantb; 10-22-2018 at 10:12 PM.
Duncan was tosb in 2013 when he made it to all-nba first team. Shocker you found a way to bring in Parker to justify calling Duncan a TOSB. I'm done with your stupid ass. Your shtick is old and lame. ing dip .
Fun stuff.
Doesn't matter.
The playoffs are more than one game.
Life is rough.
One play that Leonard makes apparently erases everything Duncan did prior to that.
Duncan was #1 in 2014. Zero question about it. But apparently Danny was the key to our team.
Kawhi's actual words were "thanks for pushing me".
if spurs didnt do a ghill for kawhi trade
they still be fodder team in 12-14+
we dont know how kawhi would develop on the pacers
but spurs will still be fodder
I sincerely wished Duncan took that FMVP, it would have rightfully put him above LeBron. Heck I wish we won 2013 finals game 6 on a vintage Duncan performance, Duncan takes FMVP and Spurs loses to Thunder in 2014 post season, I would have liked that better than what happened by a big margin.Fun stuff.
Doesn't matter.
The playoffs are more than one game.
Life is rough.
One play that Leonard makes apparently erases everything Duncan did prior to that.
Duncan was #1 in 2014. Zero question about it. But apparently Danny was the key to our team.
Life is not fair. Leonard took the FMVP and in most people's eyes, that made him player of the post season on many books. To mainstream media/fans, Duncan was carried by Leonard on the big stage for his last ring. And this wasn't anywhere near as ridiculous as a statement compared to say, Curry losing FMVP to Andre Iguodala in 2015 with half the game score.
dont forget there were other turds ahead of kawhi when it came to the green light for chucking...
>Tim Duncan was absolutely the best Spur in the 2014 playoffs.
It helps if you're ing literate. No one, including your thread le, is talking about the ing Finals.
Calculated bomb
He's just trying to be a subtle troll. I would say the worst thing the Kawhi trade did to this forum is destabilize it. You have a bunch of bandwagon fans who were never really spur fans to begin with and it's starting to show with Kawhi slurping and will only become magnified the more the Spurs lose. Kori should just create Raptors Talk for these clowns much like how she used to have Pistons Talk back in the day.
OP is correct..he didn't say Green and Leonard were the best players during that span, he said they were the reason for the resurgence and that's absolutely true..SA's best attribute was having 2 great wing defenders with 40% 3-point shooting in a league that began trending towards the perimeter..they were the ONLY team in the league that had that from 2013 to 2015..
The big 3 were still the big 3, but the upgrade from Mason/Bogans/Jefferson and whoever else to Green/Kawhi was the biggest difference..
Playing wordgames to hedge the initial statement to make it sound better doesn't work when the OP doubled down already.
Come on man you at least used to support decent troll attempts.
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