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    they made a mistake of not firing pop two years ago when I found out he didn't like Trump.
    fify

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    PATFO has been living off of Tim Duncan's greatness for 18 years and now they're getting schooled for the frauds that they are. It's all well and good when they can sit back, do nothing and watch greatness happen but it's another thing when greatness retires and you get exposed for not knowing how to do your job. The Spurs need an active GM who's willing to go out and get things done, not a guy who's more reclusive than Kawhi Leonard and a personal secretary to the head coach.
    Can you name a franchise that not been exposed when a great retires? How are Bulls going? How many lotteries have the Mavs been in since Dirk stopped being an allstar? How the Pistons been since Billups, Wallace and Co left? How the Suns been since Nash signed with the Lakers. How the Twolves been since KG was traded? Or the Magic since Howard wanted to go to LA. Or the Nuggets when Melo wanted NY.

    Newsflash, franchise players are the team. Management job is to make a championship team around them. Spurs won 5 and a few whistles here and there and they win more. In case you forgot, Spurs were in the WCF the season after Tim retired. Frauds? GTFO

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    You can tell how many brilliant minds are in this thread based on how many of them have ever been involved at any level of management in basketball that includes pay.

    Sorry fellas, pee-wee leagues don't count.

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    A couple of things are legit gripes but most of it is dumb . Armchair GMs will love it though.
    tbh

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    Biggest mistake was standing pat and what they did after every championship.

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    Long time lurker here, some of y'all might remember me for blowing up Jabari Young as Kawhi's mouthpiece on reddit and even putting his reddit burner accounts on blast.
    Since it's basically impossible to criticize PATFO on reddit I just wanted to point out the mistakes that have been made since the 2014 championship. Kind of like a collection. As great as Pop and RC are, it seems like they have lost their touch and been ing up plenty recently. With that being said I have watched about every game since 2014. I might've missed a combined 5 games in that time span.

    2014/2015:
    • Drafting Kyle Anderson instead of Nikola Jokic
    • Overplaying an injured Tony Parker who couldn't make a jump shot against the Clippers while Patty Mills was on fire


    2015/2016:
    • Drafting Nikola Milutinov instead of Larry Nance, Cedi Osman, etc.
    • Playing Boris Diaw and David West together all year so they can get outrebounded instead of staggering them with Duncan/Aldridge
    • Cutting Rasual Butler (R.I.P.) instead of Matt Bonner, cause Matt Bonner makes better sandwiches (which didn't have an effect on the results of that season at all to be fair)
    • Playing Kyle Anderson before Jonathon Simmons when Simmons was clearly the better player because of military pecking order


    2016/2017:
    • Playing Kyle Anderson before Jonathon Simmons when Simmons was clearly the better player because this is the military and not an NBA team (luckily by the time the Playoffs came around, Pop figured this out)
    • signing Bryn Forbes
    • Not letting Dedmon shoot jump shots, so the offense gets clogged up when he made every bail out jumper and even shot 3s at the same rate as Pau Gasol the year after when he went to the Hawks
    • Saying Kawhi gets paid to do everything, so he has to play lockdown defense and score 25 when this team was clearly too dependent on Kawhi and it was kind of insulting when he wasn't even the highest paid player. I bet that didn't sit well with him/his camp


    2017/2018:
    • Having Pau Gasol opt out to get a free agent who nobody knows about, because as reports said the Spurs were not interested in signing Chris Paul (So who did he opt out for? Paul George?)
    • Thinking Paul George would come to the Spurs
    • Resiging Patty Mills and Pau Gasol for a combined salary of 29 million (for that year) but letting Simmons and Dedmon walk when they could've been signed for 12 million combined
    • Saying we have to get more athletic in 2016 and then letting your 2 most athletic players walk for nothing in 2017
    • Resiging Patty Mills for 50 million (!!!!!) for 4 years (!!!!!!!)
    • Resigning Pau Gasol for 16.3 million (!!!!!)
    • Publicly criticizing Kawhi which has not only destroyed the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs, but also contributed to a big media circus around the situation. You don't speak on issues publicly. This has also put the Spurs in a bad light, they should've kept it in house. Kawhi though.
    • not trading Kawhi at midseason to Boston for Tatum & Brown
    • not playing Derrick White when he's clearly a better player than Patty Mills & Bryn Forbes
    • playing Mills, Parker and Forbes at the same time


    2017/2018

    • trading Danny Green instead of Mills or Gasol and getting Jacob Poetl back instead of Anonouby or Siakam ( the Raptors pick, I wouldve even thrown in another Spurs pick to get OG)
    • signing Dante Cunningham
    • signing Quincy Pondexter
    • playing Mills and Forbes at the same time
    • not signing any defenders



    add to that the usual Popovich antics like:


    • still using all-bench line ups when the team has been more top heavy and less deep for years
    • make playing in the NBA feel like a job (remember reports saying Kawhi wants Pop to lighten up in practice? Remember J Simmons saying first thing Pop taught him was Basketball is your job? Who would want that? It's still supposed to be fun)
    • have a military pecking order which allows young players with more talent to go play in the G League and have worse players get consistent minutes because they been here longer and playing a rookie over them wouldn't be fair
    • trying to unload Danny Green when he's at least a good defender while Patty Mills can't do anything elite and earns 150% of the money Danny earns cause Mills is his guy
    • I hate to say it, but I agree with Stephen Jackson that Pop has his guys and won't even play better players because he likes their personality more
    • pulling young guys after one mistake to mess with their confidence (Bertans)


    Bottom line is, they had all the tools and enough assets to contend for another 5 years minimum, but messed it up and are stuck in mediocrity now. I just hope the youth movement gets us back to contender status

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    You can tell how many brilliant minds are in this thread based on how many of them have ever been involved at any level of management in basketball that includes pay.

    Sorry fellas, pee-wee leagues don't count.
    ^Ignore this got people. Has the absolute most vanilla takes when it comes to sports. He thought Connor would knock out Khabib

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    Can you name a franchise that not been exposed when a great retires? How are Bulls going? How many lotteries have the Mavs been in since Dirk stopped being an allstar? How the Pistons been since Billups, Wallace and Co left? How the Suns been since Nash signed with the Lakers. How the Twolves been since KG was traded? Or the Magic since Howard wanted to go to LA. Or the Nuggets when Melo wanted NY.

    Newsflash, franchise players are the team. Management job is to make a championship team around them. Spurs won 5 and a few whistles here and there and they win more. In case you forgot, Spurs were in the WCF the season after Tim retired. Frauds? GTFO
    lmao comparing the Spurs to the Magic. If that's your standard then you should be pretty satisfied. That's like comparing your working career to the drunk bum on the corner. You look like a winner next to him.

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    ^Ignore this got people. Has the absolute most vanilla takes when it comes to sports. He thought Connor would knock out Khabib
    lmao

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    lmao comparing the Spurs to the Magic. If that's your standard then you should be pretty satisfied. That's like comparing your working career to the drunk bum on the corner. You look like a winner next to him.
    I just named 8 teams off the top of my head, but you just hold onto that one team I mentioned to make whatever point you have worthwhile.

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    I just named 8 teams off the top of my head, but you just hold onto that one team I mentioned to make whatever point you have worthwhile.
    why don't you mention the Warriors?

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    PATFO has been living off of Tim Duncan's greatness for 18 years and now they're getting schooled for the frauds that they are. It's all well and good when they can sit back, do nothing and watch greatness happen but it's another thing when greatness retires and you get exposed for not knowing how to do your job. The Spurs need an active GM who's willing to go out and get things done, not a guy who's more reclusive than Kawhi Leonard and a personal secretary to the head coach.
    There are hundreds of colleges in Amerika, not including the foreign leagues. Am I to believe that we can't fine ONE pg that can dribble and shoot throughout the entire world? ONE???? There are guys right now without an NBA contract that are better than Mills. Gasol is about 40 and moves like he's 50. When Popovich leaves, I hope who takes over for him aren't obsessed with old players

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    ^Ignore this got people. Has the absolute most vanilla takes when it comes to sports. He thought Connor would knock out Khabib
    I actually said it was a true 50/50 fight. Nice try.

    Accusing someone of vanilla takes on your ty alt account = the most vanilla take.

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    why don't you mention the Warriors?
    Warriors are well run with a huge support following being in San Fran. But they too have been irrelevant for years. They benefited to most from the salary increase and got Durant. Got Curry at 7th, Klay at 11, and Barnes also at 7. Draymond at 35 was the difference maker. To get a allstar calibre player in the second round is very uncommon. Spurs had Leonard at 15 and Walker at 17. Those the lowest we have drafted in years.

    In the last 10 years Warriors have drafted in the first round Anthony Randolf (14), Edoh (6), Ezile (30), Looney (30), Jones (28). 3 of them are no longer in the league. And I don't see a long future for Looney and Jones. For the Spurs, LJC (28) has been the biggest dud and he was more of a draft and stash for salary cap reasons. James Anderson (20) didn't work out due to early career injuries. Hill (26) and Joseph (28) have both had good careers. Hill has been a starter for many. I still think Kyle Anderson will have a good career at pick 30.

    But if you are comparing atm the best team to the spurs. How is being second make them frauds?

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    pop s up as often as the clintons

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    Have followed the Spurs closely since '90, and I'll have to say I agree with the OP.

    Love Pop for who he is and what he's done, but they've let emotions get in the way of doing what's best for the team multiple occasions.

    I'll never forgive them for the Patty and Pau deals, and plenty other decisions.

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    Boston never offered Tatum and Brown for Kawhi. That's a complete fantasy. Plus the numbers don't work. Their offer was most likely heavy on future picks & shedding salary.

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    Nothing in the OP would have changed the Spurs fortunes to date. They are still a mid level playoff team at best, bubble at worst. Friend stacking and riding, though perfectly within the rules, makes all the shuffling of common card players irrelevant.

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    I got one, playing David Lee over Dedmon in the playoffs

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    Small market teams that never benefit from a high draft pick traditionally don't stay relevant very long. The Spurs have had to stay successful with end of the draft picks and opportunistic signings, mostly for situational role players. You lose your anchor in TD and his supporting cast and yeah, you're going to not stay super-relevant unless you land some new talent.


    Pop and his staff have done pretty darn well, considering. Take a look at a franchise like Phoenix if you want to start counting mistakes.

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    OP must be a married woman given the nitpicking while completely ignoring the positive moves.

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    to think that duncan/spurs could be sitting on +8 rings...but no, pop and frontoffice had to waste those years away

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    Have followed the Spurs closely since '90, and I'll have to say I agree with the OP.

    Love Pop for who he is and what he's done, but they've let emotions get in the way of doing what's best for the team multiple occasions.

    I'll never forgive them for the Patty and Pau deals, and plenty other decisions.
    Pop likes to play it safe too much.

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    Pop likes to play it safe too much.
    mofo wants to reinvent nba, he wants to be a trend setter by winning his way against the norm

    he won with twin towers
    he won small ball after wasting 4-5 seasons assembling a team of smalls
    he won with the beautiful game
    now his trying to win against small ball + beautiful game with his bs turd towers, but his towers love to shoot jumpshots then play the inside game...

    and if you aint down with him, he show you the door....

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    ^Ignore this got people. Has the absolute most vanilla takes when it comes to sports. He thought Connor would knock out Khabib


    Thats like saying the Kings will beat the warriors in a seven game series

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