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    lower your expectations spurs fan...derozan is a great regular season player tbh

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    To be fair to DDR, he played 45 minutes in that game. That's an insane workload for such an early season game. He was exhausted toward the end. The Spurs don't have the personnel to give him a proper breather during games.

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    I think it's not fair to compare DeRozan with other HOF spurs players especially this early into the season. DD is arguably a top 5 scorer in the league and a underrated passer, but his biggest challenge will be the playoffs. He had great playoffs series in the last few years like against Bucks and Wizards, but unfortunately he was pretty bad against LeBron. This is the year for DD to break that cycle. LETS GO SPURS

    As a certified DeRozan stan, I think this is the year DeRozan finishes top 5 in MVP voting. If he can put up 26/6/6 on 48% and good defense, with Spurs finishing top 3, then he has a legit shot IMO.

    POP needs to have one of DD or LMA on the floor at all times. We can't have them both on the bench especially when your best player is Belineli taking difficult shots. Hopefully he sees this and makes the right adjustment. I would have DeRozan play the entire 1st quarter. Have LMA go to the bench at the 4 minute mark. And LMA start the 2nd quarter with DD coming back at the 7:30 minute mark. DeRozan can set the tone early in the 1st quarter.

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    DeRozan isn't better than Manu at offense, tbh. He isn't a better finisher, he isn't a better shooter nor a better passer.

    Put prime Manu on today's NBA and watch him become James Harden with defense and clutchness.
    that 100%

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    Manu had iron balls. He was the leader of the Olympic Gold team. The guy could easily averaged higher if not for Spurs system which also defined him as the most unselfish champion I know. I love Timmy but Manu was demi-god. Tony was the real flash, not Wade who Shaq dubbed because he’s superman. Tony would zoom pass 2-3 defenders quick in his youth. He led field goal avg in the paint among trees. The guy was fearless and at his size? But Demar is a more smooth scorer than the two. He’s closer to Gervin with how he scores in bunches. He will pick his spots and just score. Again more closer to Gervin than the two if you want the comparison. I think it’s up to Pops to pace his minutes so he has enough in the tank in the 4th quarter. At the end of the day, he will be a beloved Spur because of his loyalty and his jersey will be up there with the greatest along with LMA’s. I can’t wait for Murray, White and Walker to be back, especially LW4. I think he will be a beast. I think Spurs will be in a ring hunt in a year or two, also with Metu and Poeltl developing solid. For now Demar and LMA will both carry this team this year. GSG

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    I think demar will better than manu and tony stats wise...manu and tony won championships because they had Timmy on their side..but I think demar is a better player than the two..

    let see what demar can do as the season continues..
    he likely will be better than them stat wise. thats about it.

    but if the spurs win 1 championship while he's here, than we can at least open a discussion of him being better than them overall. he needs to perform well in the playoffs in big games.

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    i was actually thinking that derozan may be a better offensive player than leonard in that his all-around game (ball handling and passing) is more versatile.
    His ball handling and passing is better but his ability to score is worse. Kawhi cuts off his man with his body and reacts to players. DeRozan seems to think of what he wants to do beforehand and that isn't smart basketball wise.

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    Look what tony’s Doing in Charlotte...hahaha..

    if derozan had young Duncan on his side he can win a ring too..

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    i was actually thinking that derozan may be a better offensive player than leonard in that his all-around game (ball handling and passing) is more versatile.
    He definitely isn't a better offensive player than Kawhi... Knock it off... Being able to look flashier dribbling doesn't make u better... Kawhi is much more efficient with his movements... Just look at what raps fans have to say about Kawhi to see who wins that trade

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    It would have been great if we had at least one season of prime Manu as the 1st option. Let's pretend Timmy and TP were not playing. How would Manu do as the primary option. Manu sacrificed so much for the team and still managed to become a future HOF.

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    I think it's not fair to compare DeRozan with other HOF spurs players especially this early into the season. DD is arguably a top 5 scorer in the league and a underrated passer, but his biggest challenge will be the playoffs. He had great playoffs series in the last few years like against Bucks and Wizards, but unfortunately he was pretty bad against LeBron. This is the year for DD to break that cycle. LETS GO SPURS

    As a certified DeRozan stan, I think this is the year DeRozan finishes top 5 in MVP voting. If he can put up 26/6/6 on 48% and good defense, with Spurs finishing top 3, then he has a legit shot IMO.

    POP needs to have one of DD or LMA on the floor at all times. We can't have them both on the bench especially when your best player is Belineli taking difficult shots. Hopefully he sees this and makes the right adjustment. I would have DeRozan play the entire 1st quarter. Have LMA go to the bench at the 4 minute mark. And LMA start the 2nd quarter with DD coming back at the 7:30 minute mark. DeRozan can set the tone early in the 1st quarter.
    How is DD a top 5 scorer when he hasn't finished top 5 in scoring ever?

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    It would have been great if we had at least one season of prime Manu as the 1st option. Let's pretend Timmy and TP were not playing. How would Manu do as the primary option. Manu sacrificed so much for the team and still managed to become a future HOF.
    yup!! I’m thinking about this one too..what if manu played in Toronto or other teams? Can he carry a team on his shoulders?

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    How is DD a top 5 scorer when he hasn't finished top 5 in scoring ever?
    He was #5 in PPG back in 2016-2017. That was without a 3pt shot.

    1.Westbrook - 31ppg
    2. Harden - 29 PPG
    3.Isiah Thomas 28 PPG
    4. Anthony Davis- 28PPG
    5. DeRozan - 27 PPG

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    DeRozan's actually quite clutch. There's a stat somewhere attesting to it. He had his worst games againt LeBron, though, and that tends to be the ones most people remember him by, especially since they typically resulted to playoff exits.

    It's pretty unfair to compare him to Manu and Tony, though. Both of the latter have consistently been on very successful teams, helmed by a certain No. 21. Both have had more opportunities to prove themselves in the biggest of stages. Derozan, on the other hand, has only been to 3 or 4 of those, and has had to deal with a Top 5 all - time talent each time.

    I'm a fan of this team and I will root for him to succeed. If that means eclipsing two of the most beloved Spurs of all time, hey, is that not a reason to celebrate? For that means nothing less than more championships.

    That's why I don't get some of you denigrating his contributions so far. Rooting for him to fail just to keep the legacy or what you think are the hallowed place of our now - gone heroes intact.

    Well, Spurstalk.

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    Lol if Manu got 37 minutes his stats would be crazy when he was In his prime

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    Lol if Manu got 37 minutes his stats would be crazy when he was In his prime
    If Manu played 37 minutes on any sort of regular basis his foot would fall right off.

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    He was #5 in PPG back in 2016-2017. That was without a 3pt shot.

    1.Westbrook - 31ppg
    2. Harden - 29 PPG
    3.Isiah Thomas 28 PPG
    4. Anthony Davis- 28PPG
    5. DeRozan - 27 PPG
    ok...so ONE year he was fifth in scoring...and all of a sudden he is a top 5 scorer? fam gtfoh...that same year kawhi took almost 4 less shots per game, whie scoring only 2 points less and having a FG% of dam near 10% higher...and kawhi was barely touching his prime while derozean was in his...lets not even come close to pretending derozean was as good as kawhi on either offense or defense

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    ok...so ONE year he was fifth in scoring...and all of a sudden he is a top 5 scorer? fam gtfoh...that same year kawhi took almost 4 less shots per game, whie scoring only 2 points less and having a FG% of dam near 10% higher...and kawhi was barely touching his prime while derozean was in his...lets not even come close to pretending derozean was as good as kawhi on either offense or defense
    Not sure why you brought up Kawhi vs DeRozan. You said that DeRozan never finished top 5 and I corrected you with the facts. And again you are reaching. Kawhi did NOT have a FG% near 10% higher than DeRozan. In fact in 2016-2017 season, they were both respectively at 47% and 48%.

    Cheers

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    DeRozan's actually quite clutch. There's a stat somewhere attesting to it. He had his worst games againt LeBron, though, and that tends to be the ones most people remember him by, especially since they typically resulted to playoff exits.

    It's pretty unfair to compare him to Manu and Tony, though. Both of the latter have consistently been on very successful teams, helmed by a certain No. 21. Both have had more opportunities to prove themselves in the biggest of stages. Derozan, on the other hand, has only been to 3 or 4 of those, and has had to deal with a Top 5 all - time talent each time.

    I'm a fan of this team and I will root for him to succeed. If that means eclipsing two of the most beloved Spurs of all time, hey, is that not a reason to celebrate? For that means nothing less than more championships.

    That's why I don't get some of you denigrating his contributions so far. Rooting for him to fail just to keep the legacy or what you think are the hallowed place of our now - gone heroes intact.

    Well, Spurstalk.
    "quite clutch"? my guy...it's ok to acknowledge we got the worse player in the deal...no need to overhype him....we look pathetic...Raps fans are rejoicing right now, as they should...kawhi is a vastly suerior player to derozean, and of he were still a spur, anyone implying otherwise would be laughed out of the forum or possibly banned for being a troll

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    "quite clutch"? my guy...it's ok to acknowledge we got the worse player in the deal...no need to overhype him....we look pathetic...Raps fans are rejoicing right now, as they should...kawhi is a vastly suerior player to derozean, and of he were still a spur, anyone implying otherwise would be laughed out of the forum or possibly banned for being a troll
    we look pathetic? speak for yourself clown

    I am happy we got rid of Mute Cancer and got a real player tbqh

    had we kept Mute Cancer he would still be rehabing in NYC

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    DeRozan's actually quite clutch. There's a stat somewhere attesting to it. He had his worst games againt LeBron, though, and that tends to be the ones most people remember him by, especially since they typically resulted to playoff exits.

    It's pretty unfair to compare him to Manu and Tony, though. Both of the latter have consistently been on very successful teams, helmed by a certain No. 21. Both have had more opportunities to prove themselves in the biggest of stages. Derozan, on the other hand, has only been to 3 or 4 of those, and has had to deal with a Top 5 all - time talent each time.

    I'm a fan of this team and I will root for him to succeed. If that means eclipsing two of the most beloved Spurs of all time, hey, is that not a reason to celebrate? For that means nothing less than more championships.

    That's why I don't get some of you denigrating his contributions so far. Rooting for him to fail just to keep the legacy or what you think are the hallowed place of our now - gone heroes intact.

    Well, Spurstalk.











    How about **** NO!

    He is an absolute train wreck in late game situations and one of the least clutch playoff performers in NBA history. The Spurs ceiling if they get some lucky breaks is to get swept in the second round so DeRozan choking in the playoffs won't matter much since the Spurs don't have the personnel to have any payoff success anyway with how this team is structured.

    But make no mistake about it, DeRozan is one of the most anti clutch players of his generation. Wonderful regular season player, but come playoff time he falls off a cliff.

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    Lol if Manu got 37 minutes his stats would be crazy when he was In his prime
    Ginobili would be legendary in the no defense, 3pt offense, short shot clock era we're going into. He wasn't tough enough for 90s/00 ball, but if Curry, Durant, and harden can thrive ginobili would be at that level.

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    had we kept Mute Cancer he would still be rehabing in NYC

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    Ginobili would be legendary in the no defense, 3pt offense, short shot clock era we're going into. He wasn't tough enough for 90s/00 ball, but if Curry, Durant, and harden can thrive ginobili would be at that level.
    Ginobili wasn't tough? What now?

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    tp has mentored walker into a better player

    tp was a finals mvp
    people are forgetting that
    derozan is better then both now but both are past their prime

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