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    I think players with different roles should not be compared. Example, Tony Parker or Manu were never legit 1st options. They were always surrounded with HOF talents. Whereas DeRozan never had that luxury.

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    I think players with different roles should not be compared. Example, Tony Parker or Manu were never legit 1st options. They were always surrounded with HOF talents. Whereas DeRozan never had that luxury.
    Parker was the #1 option in the Spurs for a few years even FMVP and runner up LMVP

    New to basketball?

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    Ginobili wasn't tough? What now?
    As in durability. Now days every small hit is a foul and the days of enforcers (save golden State) is over.

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    Parker was the #1 option in the Spurs for a few years even FMVP and runner up LMVP

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    No I watched the Spurs play back in 2007. They had multiple HOF players. That was my point really.

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    I think players with different roles should not be compared. Example, Tony Parker or Manu were never legit 1st options. They were always surrounded with HOF talents. Whereas DeRozan never had that luxury.
    That works both ways, tbh. Not having to share touches with HoF teammates means more raw stats for you.

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    I think players with different roles should not be compared. Example, Tony Parker or Manu were legit 1st options. They were always HOF talents. Whereas DeRozan never had that luxury.
    fixed it for you

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    thanks I guess

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    That works both ways, tbh. Not having to share touches with HoF teammates means more raw stats for you.
    Yes but in the end I think it also comes down to team records. Derozan played on a team who won 50+ games for multiple seasons and he was the primary option and go to scorer. All in all, TP and Manu are spurs legends and I would rather if we never compared DeRozan with them this early on. We might be setting ourselves up for disappointment. Best approach is to lower our expectations! cheers

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    Tony Parker was absolutely a first option for the Spurs. Not sure how thats deniable. He was the first option on the Spurs in 2012 and 2013 for sure.

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    No I watched the Spurs play back in 2007. They had multiple HOF players. That was my point really.
    Doubt you really watched

    parker was our centerpiece and go to guy for a few years

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    Doubt you really watched

    parker was our centerpiece and go to guy for a few years
    So Tim Duncan was the 2nd option? I always thought the "better" player was the 1st option.

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    So Tim Duncan was the 2nd option? I always thought the "better" player was the 1st option.
    Parker was an elite system player from 2011-2013, legit MVP candidate due to Pop..

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    So Tim Duncan was the 2nd option? I always thought the "better" player was the 1st option.
    Of course Duncan was the 2nd option when Parker was the 1st.

    Duncan was also the 3d or 4th option when Kawhi emerged.

    your ignorance of Spurs basketball is glaring

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    DeRozan playing 25-30 minutes would probably look pretty great. 45 minutes was too much run for him and he was worn out at the end of the game and in the OT. The Lakers end of the bench scrubs looked good in OT because all the other guys on the floor were worn out.

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    Dude is having to run the point due to injuries. He played mega minutes last night, and visably lost his legs down the stretch.

    Derozan is a stud on offense, and will improve dramatically on defense by the end of the year.

    I am just glad that LA and DeMar can be seen next to one another on the bench chatting it up, both laughing and smiling, something we would have never seen out of the guy he replaced.

    Derozan has never played for a great coach until now.

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    Probably better in a “who gives a if they ring” kinda way. But as for impact to a franchise? There is zero comparison yet. Probably will never get to Timmy-Tony-Manu status.

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    Of course Duncan was the 2nd option when Parker was the 1st.

    Duncan was also the 3d or 4th option when Kawhi emerged.

    your ignorance of Spurs basketball is glaring
    I wasn't talking about older Duncan. I was specifically talking about 2006-2007 season.

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    not better than manu.

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    I wasn't talking about older Duncan. I was specifically talking about 2006-2007 season.
    No you werent. You literally said aparker was never a 1st option

    this is what you said:

    I think players with different roles should not be compared. Example, Tony Parker or Manu were never legit 1st options. They were always surrounded with HOF talents. Whereas DeRozan never had that luxury.
    as me and other have told you that is simply not true. Parker was a 1st option a few years.

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    DeRozan is fun to watch. He has a little Manu to his game. If he had Manu’s effort on defense and will to win, he would be a better player. I think Manu also didn’t rely on one on one moves to create for others. That’s not a rip on DeRozen. He hasn’t looked selfish, but he creates more like Tony except Tony creating happened on the 2nd pass after he created, but DeRozen gets his on the first pass...hence a bunch of assists.

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    No you werent. You literally said aparker was never a 1st option

    this is what you said:




    as me and other have told you that is simply not true. Parker was a 1st option a few years.
    I certainly meant that he was never a true first option during Tim Duncan's prime. Moving on

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    DeRozan is fun to watch. He has a little Manu to his game. If he had Manu’s effort on defense and will to win, he would be a better player. I think Manu also didn’t rely on one on one moves to create for others. That’s not a rip on DeRozen. He hasn’t looked selfish, but he creates more like Tony except Tony creating happened on the 2nd pass after he created, but DeRozen gets his on the first pass...hence a bunch of assists.
    Last year in Toronto, DeRozan had many hockey assists because of the offense they ran. The offense was always 1) DeRozan drives and kicks to the open player on the perimeter and then they proceed to move the ball to an even more open man. This year what I am liking so far is DD playing in the post. This is where Dwane Casey was an idiot for misusing DeRozan. DD killed the defense in the post especially when they switch and a smaller defender guards DeRozan. I never understood why Casey loved running 3 point guards at the same time when you have a DeRozan who can do pretty much all the facilitating. So far I am liking DD playing more in the post and running screen and rolls with LMA. LMA is getting wide open looks a lot of the time.

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    So Tim Duncan was the 2nd option? I always thought the "better" player was the 1st option.
    So then Lowry was the 1st option for the Raptors the last 5+ years?

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    I certainly meant that he was never a true first option during Tim Duncan's prime. Moving on
    No you didnt. You were comparing Manu and Parker never being 1st option as opposed to Derozan

    read your post again.

    As proven Parker was a 1st option for a few years so your theory has been proven wrong. Moving on

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    Parker was never been a first option he was just a side kick of Timmy.

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