The Rockets are prepared to offer a package that includes FOUR first-round picks to the Timberwolves for Jimmy Butler, reports ESPN.
I don't understand why PATFO isn't doing everything they can to get Butler. They built this team to compete now not the future. They're stuck in this no mans land and I'm not sure what the they're doing tbh. I mean either blow it up and go for a full rebuild or go all in for a le.
doesn't fit the culture,
Although I actually think he would be the perfect leader this team is missing, cause Jimmy just wants to win. That's why he's mad at Wiggins and KAT. And he's a Texan. But for sure Pop doesn't want a player like him and the Spurs really don't have any assets to get him
The reason is they're too damn cheap. These are the same guys who were keeping the Supermax offer for Kawhi in their back pocket.
No way in they max out 5 years for Butler who is almost 30 and had real, verifiable injuries and surgeries.
They'd rather give Pau and Fatty $100 million and group hug.
They’ve changed the CBA. In order for both teams to take advantage of Pau’s contract, he must be traded during this season. After this season, even though he is only guaranteed 6M, they’d have to take back his full matching salary. If he isn’t traded by the deadline, he’ll either be waved or stretched in the off-season.
It’s easy to say it’s KAT and Wiggins, but it isn’t so. He had a reputation of being ty to the youngsters in Chicago, too. Being a bas doesn’t make you a leader.
Pau's almost certainly not getting traded after the season. His partial guarantee loses all value after the trade deadline under the current CBA. If he is traded, it'll be as a salary dump, likely costing SA value rather than as part of a package for a useful player. Pau's value is mainly that a team could send out worse salary for him now and waive Pau before July to save on the difference. Someone like Kent Bazemore might be a fit under that scenario.
However, after the deadline, Pau's outgoing salary drops to $6.7 Million, making him unable to garner an expensive matching deal. The other team also has to be able to take the full $16.8 Million to complete the deal, even though they are only able to send out $10 Million or so. That imbalance makes finding a deal much harder.
Teodosic is healthy and getting DNP-CDS for the Clippers. He's well behind in the rotation.
He might be a buyout candidate at the deadline. Can't see him being a legit trade target as he isn't playing, frequently gets hurt, and has a 15% trade kicker. But I could see a buyout and the Spurs being interested.
Better defender than Mills in my opinion, even though he's a bad defender.
Won't it be easier to aquire some type of asset with the Gasol partial guaranteed contract? I mean it wouldn't make a lot of sense to do that, but if you take one of those bad contracts that were signed due to the cap jump, shouldn't that at least get us some nice draft picks? I think that partial guaranteed deal makes it pretty easy to move to a team that wants to shred some salary for cap space, since they could stretch Pau's 6.7 million
No. The new CBA makes it to where only the guaranteed portion of a player's contract for the current year (before the trade deadline) or following year (after the deadline) counts when factoring in trades. So a team can't trade a $16-Million player for Pau then waive Gasol to save money. Gasol would only count as a $6.7-Million player (his guarantee for next year) going out, which can match up to $8.4 Million or $11.7 Million, depending on where the Spurs are in relation to the tax threshold. A team doesn't really save any money by trading for him at that low of a rate. If they do the trade by the deadline, the other team can send back $20.9 Million or so, with presumably a similar salary on the books for next year. It gives them much more incentive to do so.
So if Pau gets traded it will be this year. Sounds good. What options do we have with that price range and who would be worth it? Bazemore was mentioned as one...
But I guess if we got creative we could send Pau out using him as cap relief for a worse contract.. might be the only way to send him out and get something without attaching an asset.
Here is a list of players that may be options for a Pau salary dump. Each of the following players has 2+ years left on their contracts and make more than 16+ million per year. I tried to leave out stars like Mike Conley and options that would probably require more than just salary. Batum is a stretch but he's making 24 million per right now so yeah. There really isn't much out there.
Atlanta - Kent Bazemore
Charlotte - Batum, Biyombo
Cleveland - George Hill
Miami - Tyler Johnson
Orlando - Timofey Mozgov ...
Memphis - Chandler Parsons ...
Minnesota - Dieng
Phoenix - Ryan Anderson
I still think Mills+Bertans+both picks for Butler and Bates-Diop is a fleece that could be had.
Would NBA 2k even accept that trade lol
Interesting. I'm not sure if PATFO would send Gasol to a franchise he doesn't really want to play for. Besides it would really stop us from signing free agents in the future. It would only make sense if it's a larger package to bring a 3rd star player in or get a lottery pick
The reality of this made me feel really sad... Then again they just sent Kawhi and Green to Toronto.
I'm actually talking myself into George Hill for Pau and Pondexter. I love how he plays in Spursy systems. He'd help the defense and is familiar with a lot that we do and with the ball movement he should be very effective offensively. He could also play next to Murray so it doesn't hurt is short term or long term. And the space he takes next year is not gonna really effect much in the grand scheme of things. He'd be a much better option on defense than now. Preferably I'd like a 3 and keep DeMar a 2 but at this point beggars can't be choosers. I also think PATFO will give it time for the best option available should they actually do intend to trade Pau but George Hill should be relatively easy to get and his market should be a dry.
Forbes/Mills/Murray
Hill/White/Walker
DeRozan/Belinelli/
Cunningham/Gay/Bertans
LMA/Poeltl/Metu
Edit: Cleveland also has decent filler players like Channing Frye, Nwaba, and maybe Dekker. Hill and Frye would be a good get IMO in a PATFO kind of way...
Last edited by Immortal Spur; 10-26-2018 at 10:52 AM.
If the Spurs keep Gasol, can we ALL - looking at you PATFO slurpers - agree that his contract was a boneheaded move? The only silver lining slurpers continued to refer to was the so-called "tradeability" of the contract.
3 years and 48 mill for Kent Bazemore at best.Today's Spurs.
trade him for Mills str8 up lol3 years and 48 mill for Kent Bazemore at best.
we can agree that it's boneheaded ever since they gave him the deal
Rockets willing to trade 4 first round picks for Jimmy. Chinook is that allowed? Every time I propose a trade where we give up multiple firsts you rulebook experts tell me it's not allowed because the NBA will stop teams from Brooklyn'ing themselves
Well, yeah, those of us with a brain did, but there were always the loyal PATFO apologists looking to polish this turd.
Neither Stephenson nor Beasley will ever play for Pop.
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