Oakland isn't going to beat a quality team without a pass rush. They were 6-10 WITH Mack.
Reality....6-10 again, more 5-11 than 7-9.
I knew the Raiders would be terrible and figured Gruden was way out of touch, but he's surprisingly doing a great job gathering assets..
Trading the overrated Mack before paying him made a lot of sense, since the Raiders aren't going to win right now with one the worst QBs in the NFL..getting a #1 for an average WR is one of the best moves in years
A top 5 pick plus all these assets and if somehow they can unload Carr for anything it's looking like Herbert will be the new franchise QB of the Las Vegas Raiders
great move by chucky tbh, getting a mid first will speed up the rebuild from the post carr wreck era and all you had to give up was a mediocre receiving talent
silver lining for cow fans is that Cooper is used to playing with a bad qb already
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Lynch to IR.
Couch mode
Herbert staying in schoo for senior year.
Probably the Hawaiian lefty Alabama dude in 2020.
His next step is to replace Carr. The man knows what he's doing.. he's just faking being out of touch imoI knew the Raiders would be terrible and figured Gruden was way out of touch, but he's surprisingly doing a great job gathering assets..
Trading the overrated Mack before paying him made a lot of sense, since the Raiders aren't going to win right now with one the worst QBs in the NFL..getting a #1 for an average WR is one of the best moves in years
Don't know why he isn't at least trading a 2nd or 3rd for him. Don't hold out for a 1st. They already have enough 1sts.
the giants will give more than a first in the offseason. the eagles were offered a first + fourth for Foles
Foles is gone in free agency after this year, and the Eagles aren't winning a damn thing this year. If this is true, Doug Pederson is stupider than I thought.
Giants trade away a top 5 pick for an average at best QB (with any other picks or not), they deserve to be ed forever.
Carr is one of those OL dependent QB's. He was Pro Bowl caliber in 2016 because he had the top ranked OL in the NFL that year. This year, it's fallen apart. It wouldn't be better for him in that department if he went to the Giants.
On a side note, spurraider21 , I'm beginning to love what Jon Gruden is going from a Raiders perspective. He's basically using the last of the Oakland years as tanking proxy like the OKC Thunder's last couple in Seattle (when they drafted Durant/Westbrook, etc). He's going to build a uva team that will compete with Mahomes and Co. for not only divisional supremacy, but AFC supremacy in 4-5 years.
Sure, if they kept guys like Mack and Cooper around, they'd be an 8-8 or so team, but who the wants to be that? That was their ceiling, especially with the old and declining OL, and Gruden knew it. He wants to start from scratch and build a young championship contender. Tough to tank and ac ulate oodles of cap space when you have a HOF caliber $22 million a year edge defender on your roster who is older than the rest of your core. Instead they save $110+ Million over five years that can be spread around at any point in the future to their new young core (since cap space carries over).
mack should have been kept regardless. if they're planning on dumping Carr anyway, then the whole "you cant afford to pay 2 guys that kind of money" excuse no longer flies.
the mack trade was a disaster imo. in every way. the decision, the compensation, and the timing.
Right, Mack was a superstar, but even with the money, would Mack really want to spend his prime years playing for a completely rebuilding from scratch team? Trubisky is bad right now, but there's hope he gets better soon enough. Not the same with Carr; he peaked before his broken leg injury and before the offensive line got old and injured. He's probably top-tier backup NFL QB quality at this point, which is fair considering where he was drafted.
Let's say Mack is good enough to decide and win 3-4 games per regular season on his own. Doesn't that also hurt the tank job? Also, that $141 million dollars over 6 years would add to the giant pile of money needed to re-sign the new generation of stars in 4-5 years. It's not that they can't afford Mack now; it's that not having a star who will be close to 30 when the next generation is up for new contracts will open up their window to re-sign all of their own and add a few mercenaries to have a long championship window by then. It's a very long-winded variation for Gruden, but I think it's going to work out. They just have to get QB right for starters, and if Herbert isn't coming out this year, they should wait until 2020 to draft the right QB.
Reggie McKenzie fired.
he was definitely a big upgrade to 2000's/2010's Al Davis. he's been good about keeping us in a comfortable cap spot. his free agent signings have been very hit and miss, but he generally structures contracts so that we can move on in 1 or 2 years if things dont go well (Sean Smith) without any cap penalties, but he also delivered with some big signings that panned out well (Rodney Hudson, Michael Crabtree)
his tenure started off quite poorly by hiring Dennis Allen, who simply wasn't ready and was pretty incompetent. but he did well to bring in Jack Del Rio, who assembled a pretty solid staff and turned the team around. but his undoing was poor drafting. outside of maybe a handful of picks, our draft classes have been disasters. the FO also made the poor decision of letting Bill Musgrave go (who had turned the Raiders into a top tier offense) in favor of the young "up and comer" Todd Downing. our offense went to last year and that ultimately led to Del Rio's dismissal in favor of Gruden.
it's also fairly clear that McKenzie had no part in the firing of Del Rio and hiring of Gruden.
ultimately McKenzie was a decent GM who took a team from ground zero and gave a promising product for a few years which fizzled out due to poor drafting and over-reliance on FA's to fill those voids. He should get work elsewhere. This also cements Gruden as the Czar of the Raiders.
for reference, McKenzie's first draft as GM with the Raiders was in 2012.
0 players from the 2012 draft class are on the roster
0 players from the 2013 draft class are on the roster
3 players from the 2014 draft class are on the roster (Carr, Gabe Jackson, Justin Ellis)... this was his home run drafted. Also Khalil Mack
1 player from the 2015 draft class is on the roster (backup C, Jon Feliciano)... Amari Cooper also here
3 players from the 2016 draft class are on the roster (1 starter)
4 players from the 2017 class are on the roster (1 starter)
to only have 11 draft picks on your roster after 6 years is pretty crap. only 5 of our 22 starters are guys we drafted.
He did a good job of getting out of cap , tho, tbh.
Above all tho, I really feel bad for the Oakland area fans. I dont know if there is a more loyal, fierce fanbase in all of sports and I thought it was the Cowboy fanbase living in Texas for so long, but being here the last ten years I think Raider fans are a more loyal fanbase instead of the typical re ed, bud light drinking tool always saying, "but..but five rings" when they get shat all over for being irrelevant and unsuccessful for a quarter century.
I feel an NFL team has a good shot at bombing in Vegas and I hope they do because Oakland really loves their team and there are at least three NFL teams that should move before the Raiders.
Sweet, the city of Oakland is suing the Raiders and the NFL.
Good. Hope they win. The exploitation and extortion of cities by sports teams is a real problem and needs a landmark judgement to stop that ASAP.
they aint winning tbh
Sad truth, but can always hope and wish. Sad indictment on our country how often it happens.
Peterman now a raider.
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Because Gruden wants to tank faster.
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