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    Yes. And maybe his 3-point shooting alone would entice the Suns to take him. Ultimately, however, I think we are playing games on fantasy trades; PATFO not gonna do anything except possibly replace Q-Pon with a buy-out.
    this, except I think it could be Huestis or Brandon Paul.

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    this, except I think it could be Huestis or Brandon Paul.
    Yep. Guest is is my bet.

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    Wizards fans are high on Poeltl, apparently. Mills/Bertans/Poetl might get it done for OPJ.

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    Wizards fans are high on Poeltl, apparently. Mills/Bertans/Poetl might get it done for OPJ.
    would have to attach Gasol to it to make the numbers work. That would make our roster super thin

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    would have to attach Gasol to it to make the numbers work. That would make our roster super thin
    Actually, the number are good in the proposed deal. Wizz would never do that, OFC.

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    Actually, the number are good in the proposed deal. Wizz would never do that, OFC.
    It's legal, but it would require the Spurs to go into the tax. I agree it would not work.

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    Grunfeld is an awful GM and the Wiz need shooters and depth at other positions. Maybe if we attach Forbes in the offseason. Wizards are really far over the cap and have no other way to get players outside of trades.

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    Grunfeld is an awful GM and the Wiz need shooters and depth at other positions. Maybe if we attach Forbes in the offseason. Wizards are really far over the cap and have no other way to get players outside of trades.
    How would you assess the risk reward on that trade you proposed?

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    How would you assess the risk reward on that trade you proposed?
    Bertans/Mills/Forbes/Poetl for OPJ? Honestly, a lot depends on if Milutinov is actually decent and can be brought over for cheap. Gay, Cunningham, and Q-Pon are our free agents next season. So we would need to replace 6 players (net loss of 3 from the trade). I suppose these would be Milutinov, Blossomgame, both picks. We can bring back Gay with Early Bird rights but not entirely sure how that would work. Assuming Milutinov eats part of the MLE then we can use the remainder of it to sign one more player. Our roster would be:

    White/DDR/OPJ/LMA/Gasol
    Murray/Walker/Gay/Metu/Milutinov
    MLE or pick/Marco/Blossomgame/MLE or pick/MLE or pick

    I really think our MLE would be best spent on the 4/5 positions. That roster should be a huge defensive upgrade but I would worry about our front court depth.

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    Bertans/Mills/Forbes/Poetl for OPJ? Honestly, a lot depends on if Milutinov is actually decent and can be brought over for cheap. Gay, Cunningham, and Q-Pon are our free agents next season. So we would need to replace 6 players (net loss of 3 from the trade). I suppose these would be Milutinov, Blossomgame, both picks. We can bring back Gay with Early Bird rights but not entirely sure how that would work. Assuming Milutinov eats part of the MLE then we can use the remainder of it to sign one more player. Our roster would be:

    White/DDR/OPJ/LMA/Gasol
    Murray/Walker/Gay/Metu/Milutinov
    MLE or pick/Marco/Blossomgame/MLE or pick/MLE or pick

    I really think our MLE would be best spent on the 4/5 positions. That roster should be a huge defensive upgrade but I would worry about our front court depth.
    High Risk and losing a pick. One thing PATFO does that not very many people realize is that they minimize risk and set people up to succeed. It's no accident with the amount of success stories they have. Pressure is almost never talked about when you make trades. What are the cir stances and environment do you put people in by the decisions you make and how you make them. I believe the term is metaphysical if I'm not mistaken. But anyways, that's a high risk trade with not a high reward. I don't think either team would do it.

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    something like this would put us about 3 million under the luxury tax. We'd have to move Beli and waive and stretch Pau. Big man depth would be suspect though

    http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...32317142662467

    LA/Tyson Chandler/Milutinov
    Gay/Cunningham/Metu
    Otto Porter/Stanley Johnson/Rookie SF
    DeRozan/Walker/Forbes
    Murray/White/Calderon

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    High Risk and losing a pick. One thing PATFO does that not very many people realize is that they minimize risk and set people up to succeed. It's no accident with the amount of success stories they have. Pressure is almost never talked about when you make trades. What are the cir stances and environment do you put people in by the decisions you make and how you make them. I believe the term is metaphysical if I'm not mistaken. But anyways, that's a high risk trade with not a high reward. I don't think either team would do it.
    I didn't include a pick, just players. If re-signing Gay is actually super easy then we only need 5 players to pick up next season, 2 of which will come from picks. Blossomgame with surely take a 2 year minimum deal and we still have the entire MLE. Maybe we can get Pat Beverly for real as our third-string PG.

    The upside is that OPJ is being given the Durant treatment by Wall/Beal/and even Scott Brooks. Wizards are very eager to get rid of him due to his deflated stats in comparison to his salary. Maybe we can even demand a second round pick.

    I truly believe OPJ can be a 16/8 guy for us and provide some much needed defense.

    Wizards cap situation is nightmare and they need bodies. Our front line does get quite a bit younger but I would also LMA is playing the 5 a lot.

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    something like this would put us about 3 million under the luxury tax. We'd have to move Beli and waive and stretch Pau. Big man depth would be suspect though

    http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?...32317142662467

    LA/Tyson Chandler/Milutinov
    Gay/Cunningham/Metu
    Otto Porter/Stanley Johnson/Rookie SF
    DeRozan/Walker/Forbes
    Murray/White/Calderon
    Big no from me on Calderon. Pop would be too tempted to actually play him.

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    Big no from me on Calderon. Pop would be too tempted to actually play him.
    you can change Cunningham/Chandler/Calderon with 3 other players available for the minimum. Actually we got the Bi-Annual exception to sign one 3rd stringer for 3.4 million, 2 would have to be vet. min. guys

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    Should be noted that it's really hard to do three-for-one or four-for-one types of trades during the season. Teams won't have more than a roster spot or two open, and you can't temporarily go over the 15-man limit to make a deal work. The Spurs have essentially 14 guys on the roster. That'd help if they end up being sellers. It's not a great thing when they're buyers though, because they're so close to the tax that getting back even two min deals in addition to their main catch could push them over the threshold.

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    I'd view this as a trade in the offseason. Would be stupid to do it at the deadline

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    I wonder what it would take to get a guy like T Prince from Atl? Any guy with upside on a rookie scale deal? Would something like the Toronto pick + next years 1st + Milutinov get it done? Or maybe put Poetl and Mills in the deal and take back Plumlee?

    My thought process isn't really focused on Prince, it's just that it is really hard to make the numbers work going after a OPJ or other SF's on a large contract. We might have a better shot going after someone with a year or two of experience on a rookie deal and paying with future picks to get it done.

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    Labissiere would be intriguing. He’s all I’d really care for the Spurs to have that Sac would realistically be willing to part with. Actually, they might not want to anyway

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    Realistic trades the Spurs could make to acquire a wing:

    -With the Lakers: Gasol for Caldwell-Pope and Beasley.

    -With the Hawks: Gasol and a pick (or Bertans, Murray or White) for Kent Bazemore.

    -With the Suns: Gasol and a pick (or Bertans, Murray or White) for Trevor Ariza.

    -With the Nets: Gasol and a pick (or Bertans, Murray or White) for DeMarre Carroll or Allen Crabbe or Jared Dudley.

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    none of those players are worth it

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    I wonder what it would take to get a guy like T Prince from Atl? Any guy with upside on a rookie scale deal? Would something like the Toronto pick + next years 1st + Milutinov get it done? Or maybe put Poetl and Mills in the deal and take back Plumlee?

    My thought process isn't really focused on Prince, it's just that it is really hard to make the numbers work going after a OPJ or other SF's on a large contract. We might have a better shot going after someone with a year or two of experience on a rookie deal and paying with future picks to get it done.
    impossible
    his evolution is incredible and he will probably get the max in atlanta, spurs have absolutely nothing that would make the hawks even think about it

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    none of those players are worth it
    Well, Spurs better stand pat then because there aren't other options out there.

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    Well, Spurs better stand pat then because there aren't other options out there.
    that's what I've come to realize already. save the picks.. I can wait. gonna be a fun draft this year. twice on the board in the first.

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    That’s what I am talking about it’s great Drozzz is balling and LMA and Gay Playing hard. Get a high 9 to 15 pick and we got our SF. Then just need to get rid of most of our bench and we loaded up for another run.

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    or we could even package the picks for someone like Josh Jackson, Justin Jackson, or Mikal Bridges for example... Teams get a desperate at draft time. Everyone thinks they got the next MJ or something

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