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    very true, but very hard to see how it will prevent white supremacists from voting for Republicans next month.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/gab-...upport-2018-10
    Do you find it disturbing that the Russians have more success getting people to vote in the US than the Dems have?

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    Which is why each party wants their people on the supreme court, since they will have the final say in these matters.
    The SCOTUS does generally defer to precedent though, and never is a sure fire political tool. Many cases to name here old and new (Roe, Obamacare, etc). The fact that there’s precedent to it means that the bar is somewhat lower.

    Let's look at the hispanic community. It's written that only about 16% of registered voters actually vote. How many of the overall community do you think actually registers to vote? If a community of common goal folks cannot turn out to vote, what's the odds they are going to build their communities? So few get involved. , many people don't even want to mend family ties, much less community ones.
    Turnout is cities is big, regardless of demographics. This is why the GOP hasn’t won the popular vote in a while and it’s becoming a trend more than a blip in the radar. The fact that a small bump in participation from minorities like African Americans and Hispanics could cement that is troublesome to an extent, especially because those communities are particularly tribal.

    I have no doubt states would vote in laws that are uncons utional if they could get away with it. The framers of the cons ution knew this as well.
    But the point is that it’s not necessarily a people’s problem, it’s a legal problem right now. Like if this would be left to the States, we’ll probably see a fairly different map on this issue right now.

    I don't think it will because these are es on the radar, not long lasting signals. There too much political rhetoric from each side, and too little fact and understanding. Because of this, the debate gets condensed into "they want to take our guns" vs "They want moar gunz". Neither is true, but those strawmen prevent any real discourse and I believe that's the goal.

    But the supreme court doesn't act over night, nor does congress. Congress can pass a bill and it be signed into law, but if it's uncons utional, it will be challenged and overturned.
    I agree that the current polarization level is counterproductive. But, again, this is discussing the now. The political landscape in the US wasn’t like this 50 years ago, why assume it’ll look like this 50 years from now?
    Historically these levels of polarization end up with either a very ugly event (see: civil war) or a long period of hegemony (see: Reagan/Bush admins).

    As far as the SCOTUS, yes that’s how it works, but there’s already precedent from the court that the 2nd amendment (or any amendment really) is not beyond being regulated as long as it’s specifically tailored for some purpose, some of which are contemporary. For example, on er, some arguments centered around which weapons are most common for home self-defense. Weapons that clearly did not exist when the 2nd Amendment was written, and might no longer be the popular choice when and if that topic is revisited.

    The term "immediate" is subjective. We only discuss it during these events. If that's any indication of what the rest of the country does, what does that tell you? Why would it change?
    You and I (or ST) might only discuss this during these events, but the actual political machinery that sustains a lot of this (ie: NRA, anti-gun lobbies) work every day. They have to, because politics is by and large about public opinion.

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    Do you find it disturbing that the Russians have more success getting people to vote in the US than the Dems have?
    that's a slight exaggeration, I do not think so.

    but, if true, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving cohort.

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    had they been willing to be the party of good unashamedly, they might have done a little bit better.

    people like good .

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    that's a slight exaggeration, I do not think so.

    but, if true, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving cohort.
    The Dems are saying it's true. Isn't this what the Mueller investigation is all about?

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    Do you find it disturbing that the Russians have more success getting people to vote in the US than the Dems have?
    What was their turnout given straight from Ria Novosti?

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    "The SCOTUS does generally defer to precedent"

    "2nd amendment (or any amendment really) is not beyond being regulated"

    "politics is by and large about public opinion"

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    What was their turnout given straight from Ria Novosti?
    Trump 1

    Clinton 0

    POTUS total

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    Trump 1

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    Yes.

    You got something correct.

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    Anything to avoid talking about dead Jews and how we got there.
    How did we get there?

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    Yes.

    You got something correct.
    "Russians gave the election to Trump!"

    "Russians didn't effect the voter turnout"

    tick tock

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    "Russians gave the election to Trump!"

    "Russians didn't effect the voter turnout"

    tick tock
    No.

    and No.

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    How did we get there?
    a gaslighting, bird president, who sows racial hatred and coddles white nationalists doesn't have "nothing" to do with it. the hysteria Trump is whipping up about the so-called caravan invasion definitely did.

    you should watch the 2016 closing commercial featuring Soros, Yellen and Blankfein on the previous page to get a flavor of what I'm talking about.

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    Pence just had a Christian missionary cosplaying as a rabbi pray for a list of Republican candidates. Didn't even mention the names of the dead.

    Wonder who the intended audience for that was. It sure as wasn't Pittsburgh or the Tree of Life synagogue.

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    a gaslighting, bird president, who sows racial hatred and coddles white nationalists doesn't have "nothing" to do with it. the hysteria Trump is whipping up about the so-called caravan invasion definitely did.

    you should watch the 2016 closing commercial featuring Soros, Yellen and Blankfein on the previous page to get a flavor of what I'm talking about.

    Are we talking about the same guy who moved the Israeli embassy and has son-in-law Kushner?

    And the perp hated Trump?

    Seems legit. I’d definitely run with that.

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    having Jewish relatives does not immunize Trump from responsibility for what he says.

    the perp hated Trump because he wasn't doing enough to protect the country. he shot up a synagogue because he thought George Soros was behind the caravan.

    wherever did that notion come from?

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    Pence just had a Christian missionary cosplaying as a rabbi pray for a list of Republican candidates. Didn't even mention the names of the dead.

    Wonder who the intended audience for that was. It sure as wasn't Pittsburgh or the Tree of Life synagogue.
    it's even worse than the time the White House released a Holocaust Remembrance Day (2017) statement that didn't mention Jews or anti-semitism.

    De-judaized it, Conway and Sessions did this recently too.
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    same thing happened in this thread.

    people tried to erase the Jews and the anti-semitism and make it all about guns and security.

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    having Jewish relatives does not immunize Trump from responsibility for what he says.

    the perp hated Trump because he wasn't doing enough to protect the country. he shot up a synagogue because he thought George Soros was behind the caravan.

    wherever did that notion come from?

    This is probably a good enough argument for people already inclined to believe it. Some dumbass shill on CNN said Trump has radicalized more people than ISIS.

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    sure looks like Trump radicalized Cesar Sayoc.

    the Soros/caravan conspiracy theory has been percolating around for about six months in the right wing press and on Fox News.

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    face it, the US system was designed to prevent demagogues from rising to the highest office and that's what we've got.

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    face it, the US system was designed to prevent demagogues from rising to the highest office and that's what we've got.
    Rock the vote next time. The system didn't count on low voter turnout. It must not really matter to most.

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    Rock the vote next time. The system didn't count on low voter turnout. It must not really matter to most.
    I'd put it the other way around. The political parties are so out of touch with the people, most of them don't see any personal stake in voting for either one.

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    I'd put it the other way around. The political parties are so out of touch with the people, most of them don't see any personal stake in voting for either one.
    When it gets as bad as your sermons make it out to be, people might be moved to get off their fat asses and vote.

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    When it gets as bad as your sermons make it out to be, people might be moved to get off their fat asses and vote.
    Who knows?

    I never believed in the worse to get better thing. Things can always get worse.

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