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    originalists and other interested people can find the Senate debates regarding the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (the immediate precursor to the 14th Amendment) here. seems pretty clear the majority then thought persons born on US soil are citizens regardless of the immigration status of their parents. they understood they were creating standards for citizenship and civil rights beyond freed slaves.

    https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampag....db&recNum=602
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    it's interesting reading

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    it's interesting reading
    nice find; thanks for sharing.

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    nice find; thanks for sharing.
    can't take credit for myself, saw it @skantrow on Twitter

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    All of the lefts wetdream Europe doesn't have birth right citizenship but it's racist for America to not want it.

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    All of the lefts wetdream Europe doesn't have birth right citizenship but it's racist for America to not want it.
    we're not Europe. thanks for clearing that up.

    there are normative arguments against birthright citizenship. yours is that Hispanics aren't smart enough to be proper citizens and vote (or will vote) en bloc for the Democrats.

    were there any others I left out?

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    All of the lefts wetdream Europe doesn't have birth right citizenship but it's racist for America to not want it.
    lol Nathan doesn't care about the cons ution.

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    just curious, Nathan89, who exactly gets to be in your ethnostate after the par ion of the USA?

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    Legal immigrants aren’t ruining the country.
    How are illegal immigrants ruining the country?

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    Birthright citizenship in the 21st century is very puzzling

    Major example of why I oppose socialist aspects in America

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    brown skin+ Spanish surname = underperforming. (based on SATs and "group differences" in IQ propounded by Chuck).

    you think Hispanics are too stupid to be proper US citizens.



    you say "they" all stick together and vote alike, but Trump got 35% of the Hispanic vote and about 50% of Hispanics in Florida.

    seems you don't have faith that Republicans can possibly win over new migrants. do you think it's because they're lazy and greedy?
    No, there are intelligent Hispanics and I'd take them into the country legally. That's a merit based system. It's not discriminatory. Yes, they appear to underperform on tests which is a threat to the country. That's why we need a merit based system.

    That's Cubans that have different inclinations for obvious reasons than the vast majority of Hispanics.

    I see a polls showing that Trump got 29% and Clinton got 65% of the vote.

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    No, there are intelligent Hispanics and I'd take them into the country legally. That's a merit based system. It's not discriminatory. Yes, they appear to underperform on tests which is a threat to the country. That's why we need a merit based system.

    That's Cubans that have different inclinations for obvious reasons than the vast majority of Hispanics.

    I see a polls showing that Trump got 29% and Clinton got 65% of the vote.

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    lol Nathan doesn't care about the cons ution.
    he sounds somewhat like Sen. Cowen in the Senate debate posted on the previous page.

    a proper "white man's government" protects and includes white men; others by definition should be excluded and not protected.

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    we're not Europe. thanks for clearing that up.

    there are normative arguments against birthright citizenship. yours is that Hispanics aren't smart enough to be proper citizens and vote (or will vote) en bloc for the Democrats.

    were there any others I left out?
    Just calling out the idiocy of positioning this as racism when it's pretty common practice to not reward illegal entry into your country.

    No, I'm for merit based legal immigration. Hispanics wouldn't be discriminated on under that standard.

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    I see a polls showing that Trump got 29% and Clinton got 65% of the vote.
    that's about right; my cite was mistaken

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    Just calling out the idiocy of positioning this as racism when it's pretty common practice to not reward illegal entry into your country.

    No, I'm for merit based legal immigration. Hispanics wouldn't be discriminated on under that standard.
    how would you do it?

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    just curious, Nathan89, who exactly gets to be in your ethnostate after the par ion of the USA?
    Quote any comment that indicates this or my conversation with you is over.

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    lol Nathan doesn't care about the cons ution.
    The supreme Court will rule on it.

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    you said you desire a par ion of the US because immigration from Central America is ruining the country or soon will.

    presumably you'd also exclude other "low performing" groups as defined by Chuck.

    which groups would those be, by the way?

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    I'd have a merit based legal system. That's not an "ethnostate". We already have loads of diversity in the country so that's just moronic. No one is pushing for an ethnostate state. You know I'm not but talking in bad faith.

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    The supreme Court will rule on it.
    wish in one hand and in the other, you'll see which one fills up faster.

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    I'd have a merit based legal system. That's not an "ethnostate". We already have loads of diversity in the country so that's just moronic. No one is pushing for an ethnostate state. You know I'm not but talking in bad faith.
    on the contrary, you're using invidiously defined merit as a fig leaf for racism.

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    Anybody on the right ever read a history book or have any sort of understanding as to why the countries in central and south america are the way they are today?

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    how would this so-called merit based system work?

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