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    You forgot me as well.

    The big deal is Russia interference.
    Not the fact that Trump won.
    Again.

    The election was going to be close anyway. If you look at how the electoral college went no one would have guessed it. Hillary WON some very close contests as well. What did the Russians do wrong? It was their way of showing us they could f with elections. They practically shoved it in our face. The reaction specifically by Trump to the interference has been carried out by congress and dealt with. We will find more.
    I predict that the evidence will show that Trump wins nothing without Russia's help. Too bad our system is slow and we cannot undo the fact that this fraud actually was recognized as President when he stole the presidency and I predict we will learn that fact in time.

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    I predict that the evidence will show that Trump wins nothing without Russia's help. Too bad our system is slow and we cannot undo the fact that this fraud actually was recognized as President when he stole the presidency and I predict we will learn that fact in time.

    Well, good luck with that.

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    I predict that the evidence will show that Trump wins nothing without Russia's help. Too bad our system is slow and we cannot undo the fact that this fraud actually was recognized as President when he stole the presidency and I predict we will learn that fact in time.
    Fair enough.

    We will never find out everything, but I predict you are wrong.
    There was a significant backlash already brewing. We learned a lot about silent voters that did not necessarily like Trump but clearly did not want Hillary. You must also understand that some (a minor amount) of propaganda has been used against a Trump by the Russians.

    Interfere is the operative description. We chose our leader. A huge error imo, but we chose him.

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    Don't forget - one of the items stolen was the actual Hillary campaign strategy/game plan/ and given to the Trump campaign - this was huge in coordinating where Trump directed his efforts or saved his resources to attack elsewhere in order to win.

    I disagree with those that continue to parrot the "no votes were changed" or the "russia didn't affect the outcome" lines because it can and will be proven to be bs.
    It's damn hard to prove counterfactuals, but one can hardly imagine a worse breach of campaign security than having the field operations plans stolen.

    Having just skimmed the WaPo and AP articles about the June indictments of Russian hackers, there's nothing there to indicate Trump or his campaign were knowingly in contact with the Russians responsible, but an unnamed person was in contact with both.

    Roger Stone?

    Assuming so, there are a few gaps to be filled in to get to criminal conspiracy.

    I get the superciliousness, I even get the ire and rage.

    What I don't get is your dead certainty about the result of conspiracy charges (against Trump and his campaign) that haven't been brought and may not even be pending.

    We'll see.

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    When someone commits crimes (Manafort/Flynn/Gates etc -)

    why do you automatically overlook them and immediately go to your default? (protecting Trump)

    They are criminals who worked for a criminal campaign headed by a criminal and a traitor, why is that something you continue to defend?

    Had Obama and his entire cabinet been busted - would you be here 24/7 defending Obama's team and Obama's felonies?

    You drank the kool-aid a long time ago and cannot even see how misguided your defense of criminals and traitors is anymore.
    Stop dodging.

    Which of those several felonies had anything to do with colluding with Russia during the election? Name one.

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    When you’re ing stupid enough to whatabout and make up false equivalence arguments to defend the di able nature of today’s party of trump, there is nothing objective about you.
    Wrong account fat dip . Go back to your trailer house with your fat wife and talk about Jesus.

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    Wrong account fat dip . Go back to your trailer house with your fat wife and talk about Jesus.
    He's Spurs Homer. His xanax and lithium wears off so he starts sweating. Unsure of the need to log into different accounts just to rattle off swear words.

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    He's Spurs Homer. His xanax and lithium wears off so he starts sweating. Unsure of the need to log into different accounts just to rattle off swear words.
    Why am I talking to myself?

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    Why am I talking to myself?
    I'm such a dumb . I keep ing my alts charade up.

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    When you’re ing stupid enough to whatabout and make up false equivalence arguments to defend the di able nature of today’s party of trump, there is nothing objective about you.
    I must have missed where I defended Trump or raised a false equivalence?

    Can you point out where I did?

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    All I known is that there is much more red meat here than in the Hilary e-mail scandal. It will come down to what Stone knew and when did he know it and what was he telling the Trump campaign before Assage released Hillary's hacked email.

    Right now, obstructing justice by firing Comey, going after Rosenthal, and trying to go after Mueller and then appoint his own boy to investigate him...its overwhelming..

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    All I known is that there is much more red meat here than in the Hilary e-mail scandal. It will come down to what Stone knew and when did he know it and what was he telling the Trump campaign before Assage released Hillary's hacked email.

    Right now, obstructing justice by firing Comey, going after Rosenthal, and trying to go after Mueller and then appoint his own boy to investigate him...its overwhelming..
    Yates, too

    boasting in public to Russians that he fired Comey to stop the Russian investigation

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