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i'm still waiting for the season where we finally acquire Brad Miller
Unless Butler wants to sign a long term extension this is not a possibility because Butlers price is too high. We would need to give them multiple draft picks and some of our best prospects. Doubt Spurs go "kamikaze" this year like you said.
I dont really see Patty getting traded this year but only to philly because of the coaching and Australia connections. Pau is more likely to move but even then a longshot.
i'm still waiting for the season where we finally acquire Brad Miller
I always thought White fits better on the bench. He can create for Patty on offense and cover for him on defense a bit. He also plays off the ball really well that fits with Marco and Gasol. I think Lonnie would've gotten more playing time this year and by the end he would be relied on as a spark off the bench. He still could be that player bc we are playing Cun and Pon for goodness sake, but this injury really hurt him as far as playing later on in the year.
The 76ers had the assets to become a contender they just overrated those assets & now said assets are exposed & hold even less value today. Seriously calling Fultz off limits & even Simmons in a trade for Kawhi was just beyond foolish.
spurs are making a trade this season.
I don't like standing by this philosophy because it ignores the fact that LMA is 33 years old going on 34. Do PATFO really think he's going to keep playing at an All Star level for much longer? Look how many minutes he's already logging. Why not maximize this season for LMA with the best team possible? Meanwhile, DD is 29. Do PATFO want to waste a DeRozan who is at the peak of his prime without the best team around him possible? You can't just throw this season aside and think next season. No, this team needs the calvary NOW. Then again, I admit it does seem fruitless with how the league let the Dubs get away with getting Cousins, who is progressing quicker in his rehab than they thought. Once they get him aboard and the er starts camping out at the three point line draining threes, it'll make an already unfair team that more unbeatable. So, it's really a damned if you and damned if you don't scenario. Basketball sucks now...
oh so that's why he's playing Gasol so much and Bertans/Poeltl/Metu so little
slitting wrists because they haven't made a trade 6 games into the season?
Good post and reasonable POV. It will be a worthy bump when they face a stronger stretch in the schedule and meltdowns happen.
We can then remember this warning.
people have done this ever since Leonard demanded a trade. It's a matter of adjusting expectations and just enjoying the team even if they lost so much value after Leonard left. Probably would be lucky to make it to the WCF given the quality of talent. Shouldn't preclude others from enjoying wins. I'm surprised some people haven't gotten over losing Leonard, as if there's something they can do about it apart from whining about Pop and the front office. Criticism on PATFO is warranted but it gets old after a while.
What a waste of a season...
essentially the endgame for 29 teams not named Golden State
Already??
Does anybody know what time it is?
Does anybody really care?
We are a zillion years from the trade deadline, and many teams around the league are in turmoil. Do not petrify your eggs before they're hatched.
We do not need prominence. We merely need competence...., no one of any prominence is coming this season. ...
I don't think we make a trade but, if we do I don't think it'll be moving our bad contracts. I think it would involve LMA if someone unexpected becomes available that pop think makes a difference.
Well, I think its unanimous that this team, nor any other, can take out the Warriors in a series.
But with the Rockets looking like we have just a good a chance as any other team, to end in the top 5 overall.
As White and Lonnie return and we continue to figure all the new faces out, I sincerely think we can improve into a top 5 team. With Pop on our side and DeRozan with that chip on his shoulder, I think our peak will be defined by what White and Lonnie can add to this core.
That's enough for me this season.
My desire to keep picks or let this be a lost year depends a lot on how the team looks come December. There's not a very good chance for the team to make noise without Murray, but they're window is still two or three years. If the team looks bad or mediocre to the point where they could realistically get a pick in the teens, then I wouldn't be willing to trade that pick. But if they are top-four in the conference and look to have a pick around 25, I'm willing to deal for some benefit to next year. A player like Porter makes as much sense for next year as he does for this year. Even if they aren't winning without Murray, having an integrated Porter with a healthy Murray is probably worth a lot. Something similar could be said with getting extension rights on Dinwiddie and cleaning away Pau's contract. Even a big move for a starting PG like Teague could make sense given the roster's flexibility to play big or small.
PATFO is more conservative than I am, and that's saved them from making trades I would have made in their place. But they've already shown a willingness to make some moves this year. As I've said a couple of times, they pretty much can't do so until December, but I also don't think the team traded for a win-now DeRozan with the idea that they weren't going to go "all-in" eventually. Pop knows time is short.
Your last sentence is the key...
What does Pop wanna do? He’s the one who holds the keys in which direction they go and how agreessive they are.
Pop seems like the type of person who wants to hand off the keys with the team in good shape. I still think Ime Udoka will replace him. I was hoping for Coach Bud, but he’s going thrive with the Bucks.
Some good points, especially PATFO's conservatism. Most of us have been here a while and the rule has been if there was a move to be done, it's most likely Pop won't do it, and one can argue it cost the Spurs a window of opportunity during the Big Three's twilight years. Kawhi was a boon but he's gone.
1. Trading for a PG makes little sense. Fills a gap this year, creates a glut next year. While it keeps the Spurs afloat this year it's bad for development next year.
2. Porter could be had especially if Washington blows it up this year. Gut feel tells me if the Spurs were to make a move it would probably for George Hill + filler (Hood, Nwaba/Dekker). Historically the deals that PATFO made have been okay to mildly disappointing and I'm not sure they'll make a trade that impresses the fan base. General rule, PATFO will never get anyone the fan base likes.
3. Number 25 is the pick's ceiling? Or 21? Not too much to expect the Spurs to make the most out of that range but it's a valuable trade chip, can be packaged with Pau. Not sure if Mills is tradable with that contract and that skill set.
4. PATFO has gotten rid of too many players with corporate knowledge that it's counterintuitive to think they'd make more. It gets tiring but the front office extremely values its 'corporate knowledge'.
5. Not sure about Dinwiddie, advanced stats don't do him any favors.
low expectations but liking what I see for the most part.
1 -- I think a number of PGs could start next to Murray and DeRozan. Teague would be dicey. I don't know if there'd be a glut, given that the team would likely have to send out like Mills and Bertans for Jeff. Then you'd have Teague and Murray start, and White and Forbes off the bench.
2 -- I think Hill as a buyout candidate may make a ton of sense. He probably wants to come back, and even a healthy (for this season) team could use him. His contract makes him an awkward trade target. Essentially, any trade involving him would also mean SA saving a ton of money next season. Cleveland would want to be paid for the cap savings even more than Hill. For the type of upgrade Hill is, that might not be worth it.
3 -- 21st-overall is a good pick. Moreover, if the team were sitting at 21 in February, there'd still be too much risk of the pick falling into the teens or even the lottery. A teens pick is valuable, not just for drafting, but it can be the main incentive in a deal for a lesser star. That's important for any trades involving future value. Certainly wouldn't use it just to dump Patty.
4 -- This is true, and I do think we underrate culture. Patty may well have been part of the group that got LMA's head on straight last year, just like Gay was with DeRozan this year. Rudy would have been worth his contract even if he were hobbled and weak on his way out of the league. Patty could be, not worth his deal, per se, but he could have more to do with how great the chemistry seems now than we want to admit.
5 -- Dinwiddie is one of the best iso scorers in the game, so it's not surprising that his advanced stats aren't great. I like that he's a microwave-type with wing size but who can also run the point a bit. I don't his grown into the bona-fide third/fourth-option type the team really needs now to rest DeRozan, but he could get there. The bench needs reliable points, and right now, only Beli can get them. Marco's inconsistency looms large though.
Jesus ain't walkin through that door, if that's what you mean.
Agreed with your view that it could be fine to be opportunistic with trades bc it might be more difficult to add players through cap space next season, so a trade for a contributor this season and next makes sense. I like Porter.
Somehow I don't see them getting a pick in the teens. When they get the guys back that are injured (minus Murray obviously) they will be a better team and the West outside GSW is up for grabs for a number of teams. Spurs aren't any worse than them at this point and DDR has surprised me with his ability to close games.
There's a chance they get further injuries and then really fall out and should one of LMA or DDR be unavailable for a stretch they will be in trouble (but that's the same for most teams outside the stacked ones, they rely on their stars a lot and skid heavily without them). Thus, I am inclined to be opportunistic with trades. I just think PATFO isn't opportunistic by nature and more inclined to stand pat. There's a number of coaches pets they could trade but won't.
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