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    Agreed. Even with Murray down, Walker is still going to be behind Mills/Forbes/White/Derozan/Beli in the rotation. And it looks like Derozan is a lock for big minutes except for blowouts and the occasional rest game.

    That means Lonnie is either going to get scarce mop-up minutes in San Antonio, or still spend most of his time in Austin.
    Makes sense to essentially sit him for the year rehabbing and learning the system in Austin. His talent is off the charts. Just get him healthy and worked into the system...

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    Walker will definitely see minutes in Austin. Depends where Spurs is by All-Star. I think he gets reinserted in the line-up. We so much need his defensive hassle in the 2nd unit.

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    Forbes is doing alrite. Don't mess with what is working.

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    even if we have a complete roster demar should play atleast 35mpg because his only 29 and he is in his prime..heck, a 33 year old lebron had 37mpg last season..
    LeBron is juicing with HGH. It started in Miami, and continued ever since. He stopped the summer he came back to Cleveland, and his loss of body mass was shocking. The NBA was going to ins ute some new testing methods. If you remember, he took two weeks off for 'rest' that winter, and went back down to Miami.

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    Forbes starting over White will probably become a fluid situation. If Forbes and the team are going relatively well when White returns, then there's no need to make an immediate change.

    Walker might and should be in compe ion with Bertans/Cunningham for minutes. As has been discussed ad nauseam, he's the only hope for a 3 and D wing on the roster. No reason to not throw in the deep end (start) immediately and find out if he can swim.

    If so, it'll pave the way for Gay to exclusively defend PF's and allow for the limited Cunningham to come off the bench and compete with Bertans for the backup minutes.

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    Let's not inflate our expectations with White. Preseason, everyone was wondering if this "rookie" is NBA ready. Now everyone is think he's going to save the Spur's season when he's back.

    He's an extra body that will fill some defensive weakness in the wing. But that's about it. It'll take him a while from injury to become effective.

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    Forbes starting over White will probably become a fluid situation. If Forbes and the team are going relatively well when White returns, then there's no need to make an immediate change.

    Walker might and should be in compe ion with Bertans/Cunningham for minutes. As has been discussed ad nauseam, he's the only hope for a 3 and D wing on the roster. No reason to not throw in the deep end (start) immediately and find out if he can swim.

    If so, it'll pave the way for Gay to exclusively defend PF's and allow for the limited Cunningham to come off the bench and compete with Bertans for the backup minutes.
    When your not on your gutless worms schtick, you are a really good read...

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    Let's not inflate our expectations with White. Preseason, everyone was wondering if this "rookie" is NBA ready. Now everyone is think he's going to save the Spur's season when he's back.

    He's an extra body that will fill some defensive weakness in the wing. But that's about it. It'll take him a while from injury to become effective.
    People don't seem ready to admit that White shouldn't be expected to be consistent in his first season of playing time. He has skills, athleticism and decent size, but he's going to have a number of bad games. Forbes has been insanely steady this year. White could potentially do better, but he could do a lot worse. No reason to start him right now. Bryn's actually playing decently with guys and is up to a positive on/off now that he and Mills don't play together very much. He's going to have his hands full tomorrow, but if he can navigate Holliday well and give the stars a chance to decide the game, that's all you can ask.

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    People don't seem ready to admit that White shouldn't be expected to be consistent in his first season of playing time. He has skills, athleticism and decent size, but he's going to have a number of bad games. Forbes has been insanely steady this year. White could potentially do better, but he could do a lot worse. No reason to start him right now. Bryn's actually playing decently with guys and is up to a positive on/off now that he and Mills don't play together very much. He's going to have his hands full tomorrow, but if he can navigate Holliday well and give the stars a chance to decide the game, that's all you can ask.
    I have really enjoyed his developing into a reliable rotation piece and improving his D - all while playing out of position.

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    ... If your trolling good job but either way most trolls end up on my ignore list anyways...
    I never put irrational people on my ignore list, because I find them amusing.

    Anybody who thinks Forbes is anywhere close to being an adequate point guard is just somebody who has no ability to assess NBA bball.

    Forbes is bad at the point. He is just plain bad at it. All the praise of him sounds like people trying to console a loser.

    He needs to be replaced as the starter ASAP.

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    I never put irrational people on my ignore list, because I find them amusing.

    Anybody who thinks Forbes is anywhere close to being an adequate point guard is just somebody who has no ability to assess NBA bball.

    Forbes is bad at the point. He is just plain bad at it. All the praise of him sounds like people trying to console a loser.

    He needs to be replaced as the starter ASAP.
    I kind of agree with that, if Forbes is a starter, it's a sign that his team does not have a very high ceiling, or compe ive against good teams, we'll see.

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    Unless Bryn falls off a cliff or White immediately becomes the second coming of Jerry West, Forbes will continue to start and White will get a slow return to action. After a few weeks/couple of months Pop will be able to properly assess who works better with the starting unit/second unit and so forth. I think the real question is how much playing time will Patty relinquish?
    I am going with sasaint on this.

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    Good game?

    He's been leaps and bounds better this year. He's even getting some praise from NBA folks outside the organization as the next Pop "find."

    Pathetic take.
    So now Forbes has a higher ceiling than white?? Based on WHAT??!

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    People don't seem ready to admit that White shouldn't be expected to be consistent in his first season of playing time. He has skills, athleticism and decent size, but he's going to have a number of bad games. Forbes has been insanely steady this year. White could potentially do better, but he could do a lot worse. No reason to start him right now. Bryn's actually playing decently with guys and is up to a positive on/off now that he and Mills don't play together very much. He's going to have his hands full tomorrow, but if he can navigate Holliday well and give the stars a chance to decide the game, that's all you can ask.
    The only reason we know Forbes has been steady is because he IS PLAYING!!! before that he gave NO indication he was even as good as white... So why keep the guy who clearly has a higher ceiling on the bench because Forbes has been ok? Forbes at his ceiling won't take us anywhere but out of the first round.. white has all-star potential

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    How far have we fallen that Forbes is being considered as a long term starter

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    So now Forbes has a higher ceiling than white?? Based on WHAT??!
    I didn't say that. Re-read.

    I'm merely pointing out that his performance thus far has been better than most anyone on this board expected and goes beyond a single game.

    And familiarize yourself with what a Pop "find" is. It's not a first round pick like White. It's the second rounders, or undrafted guys that somehow manage to be important cogs, even starters. And lol, White is the guy I'm highest on among the young guys.

    You would know these things if your head hadn't been surgically transferred to the anal cavity of Kawhitter.

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    Forbes starting over White will probably become a fluid situation. If Forbes and the team are going relatively well when White returns, then there's no need to make an immediate change.

    Walker might and should be in compe ion with Bertans/Cunningham for minutes. As has been discussed ad nauseam, he's the only hope for a 3 and D wing on the roster. No reason to not throw in the deep end (start) immediately and find out if he can swim.

    If so, it'll pave the way for Gay to exclusively defend PF's and allow for the limited Cunningham to come off the bench and compete with Bertans for the backup minutes.
    This.

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    The only reason we know Forbes has been steady is because he IS PLAYING!!! before that he gave NO indication he was even as good as white... So why keep the guy who clearly has a higher ceiling on the bench because Forbes has been ok? Forbes at his ceiling won't take us anywhere but out of the first round.. white has all-star potential
    White has All-Star potential in a way that anyone who doesn't show that much ceiling but theoretically still has time for unreal gains does. Meaning that I don't think it's reasonable to argue he has that kind of ceiling, but it's technically not impossible, so whatever. You don't start guys to "find out what ceiling they have". You give them playing time, sure. But the Spurs are in the business of winning games right now. They aren't looking for boom-or-bust moves. White coming in and showing he's a steady player is a requirement to showing he's a steady starter. Forbes has been a steady player this year. Consistency is underrated. When the alternative is White still getting playing time, any perceived difference in upside isn't enough to warrant a change in the starting back court.

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    White has All-Star potential in a way that anyone who doesn't show that much ceiling but theoretically still has time for unreal gains does. Meaning that I don't think it's reasonable to argue he has that kind of ceiling, but it's technically not impossible, so whatever. You don't start guys to "find out what ceiling they have". You give them playing time, sure. But the Spurs are in the business of winning games right now. They aren't looking for boom-or-bust moves. White coming in and showing he's a steady player is a requirement to showing he's a steady starter. Forbes has been a steady player this year. Consistency is underrated. When the alternative is White still getting playing time, any perceived difference in upside isn't enough to warrant a change in the starting back court.
    White doesn't have All-Star potential. I think his ceiling is a 15pts 5 assists per game guy with Danny Green like defense. And that would make him the 2nd best guard on this roster

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    White doesn't have All-Star potential. I think his ceiling is a 15pts 5 assists per game guy with Danny Green like defense. And that would make him the 2nd best guard on this roster
    15 and 5 with Danny Green D is an all-star (at least in terms of on court value)...

    I agree with various people that Forbes has been a good enough player and fit (only though 7 games mind), that White will have to take the starting spot from him, if he does. Pop will start White from the bench; if the fit is good (and Forbes keeps up his play), he may stay there for a while - Pop likes a strong bench unit.

    In the longer term, White has a higher ceiling than Forbes. Forbes is neither big nor athletic for the one (never mind the two); White is a pretty big one (could be a two), and is a nba level athlete, not to mention is a better defender, ball-handler, and IMO passer.
    But which (if either) reaches their ceiling? We don't know yet... we will see. The guard who we should get rid of, if possible, is Mills.

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    Winter is coming, White Walker.

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    Winter is coming, White Walker.
    Indeed. I've also heard rumors of a break in the Wall, and wasn't there a Dragan sighting recently? Perilous times.

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    The real answer to the thread le's question:

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    Like, I've trade Forbes and both picks to a GM for the highest pick possible. Clears out the guard rotation next summer.

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    Indeed. I've also heard rumors of a break in the Wall, and wasn't there a Dragan sighting recently? Perilous times.
    <- Maybe the (John) Starks will come back

    *sees himself out of the room*

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