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    Nope, but the average white community has felt left behind by the progressive agenda... the Rust Belt is one area that isn't likely to slip in vast white majority in the coming decades, and as more minorities (especially Hispanics) become a higher proportion of the overall US population, and the progressive agenda keeps rolling along, the average whites in the Rust Belt will continue to trend further and further to the right.

    There's a reason Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin etc have the highest industrial pollution rates in the country. They always vote NO on any "green" act that comes down the pipe that would raise costs of anything. They're very practical and price elastic and vote with their brains and wallets and not their hearts. The majority of them don't have a traditional bachelor's degree and that won't change for the foreseeable future. They're more street smart than book smart. They are more practical than intellectual. That all favors the right.

    The main thing that favors the left is that they aren't super religious up there on average. But I don't think that really holds the cards up there. It's all about the demographics that aren't changing compared to states like Florida, Texas, California, the Northeast, Colorado, etc.
    It's all in your head. The demographic consensus was that conservatives were on the road to extinction 4 years ago... never happened. This is really easy, the GOP can't continue to lose the popular vote the way they have in the general. It gives them a very slim margin to win. I don't know if Trump is the guy to buck that trend. He wasn't in the previous election.

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    You wouldn't need to convert. She'd probably cut your head off on video with a black banner in the background. Bet she loves Jews.
    I seriously hope you're joking


    The Muslims I met in that Little Levant district couldn't be nicer and more moderate... probably 1 older woman with hijab was all I say... most of the women were wearing American clothes... Lebanese-American IT girl I met was dating a white American guy... Jordanian people are super pro American... Jordanian falafel was absolutely delicious at the place I went there... the majority there are Shiite, not Sunni, in fact

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    I actually believe that the old dogs in congress keep change from happening. They bark a lot but there's no real bite. Could be a good thing for the GOP if the old folks stick around on the blue side. Young folks get too energetic with their legislation.
    Of course it's great for the GOP... some people really need to be told to let go.

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    It's all in your head. The demographic consensus was that conservatives were on the road to extinction 4 years ago... never happened. This is really easy, the GOP can't continue to lose the popular vote the way they have in the general. It gives them a very slim margin to win. I don't know if Trump is the guy to buck that trend. He wasn't in the previous election.
    Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 and won it in 2004. It happens.


    I think a lot of the people who voted against him for emotional reasons and were skeptical about how well he'd do, or afraid he'd drop nukes on any old place he felt like, well those fears were NOT justified and he will get more votes...

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    If anything, we get two years of government freeze, which is not a terrible thing...

    Unless Donnie starts ruling by Executive Order, which actually would be a terrible move, IMVHO...

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    GALEN DRUKE11:49 PM
    CNN has called the Texas 7th for Democrat Lizzie Fletcher. I went to Houston to report on the race there this summer. Literally dotted with country clubs, the area is yet another well-educated, well-to-do urban/suburban district that has swung dramatically toward Democrats in recent years. In fact, it swung the most of any district outside of Utah from Romney to Clinton between 2012 and 2016 — a whole 23 points.

    This is a symbolic win for Democrats. The district has been represented by Republicans since George H.W. Bush won it over half a century ago, in a then almost solidly blue Texas. That win was a sign of what was to come. In a highly urban, rapidly growing Texas, Democrats would certainly like to see this as a sign of what’s to come in for them as well.

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    I don't have a beef with Joe personally, he's just not a great candidate at this point in his career and with the current climate.
    He wasn't a good candidate his last two attempts. Idk why so many Dems think he'd be good at it now.

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    Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 and won it in 2004. It happens.

    I think a lot of the people who voted against him for emotional reasons and were skeptical about how well he'd do, or afraid he'd drop nukes on any old place he felt like, well those fears were NOT justified and he will get more votes...
    Bush was riding 9/11... no president had that much support back then... that's why I'm saying the best Trump can do is start a war before the election...

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    If anything, we get two years of government freeze, which is not a terrible thing...

    Unless Donnie starts ruling by Executive Order, which actually would be a terrible move, IMVHO...
    Correct, that would be an atrocious move for Trump. He'd be better off sucking it up and letting nothing happen and blame it on the Democratic House blocking everything.

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    Rick Scott's absolutely atrocious Spanish is awful

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    He wasn't a good candidate his last two attempts. Idk why so many Dems think he'd be good at it now.
    Because he's the only visible white guy candidate in the party right now, outside of Bernie... Maybe Beto can now take over...

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    What makes you think hispanics only vote democrat? They weren't hispanics there when Obama or Bill won either. The point is in bency eventually has a price.
    Yeah. Middle aged Hispanics of multiple generations are probably more conservative than rural whites.

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    Bush was riding 9/11... no president had that much support back then... that's why I'm saying the best Trump can do is start a war before the election...
    Trump can't just start a war, either. There would have to be legitimate reason or provocation. Hopefully nothing on US soil, obviously. But the Democratic congress would have some say in blocking some unjustified war.

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    Correct, that would be an atrocious move for Trump. He'd be better off sucking it up and letting nothing happen and blame it on the Democratic House blocking everything.
    yup, but the real question is if he has the discipline to do that, and I'm willing to bet he doesn't.

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    Because he's the only visible white guy candidate in the party right now, outside of Bernie... Maybe Beto can now take over...
    Beto is a Whexican like me in 8th grade going to middle school in South San, tbh.

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    When you don't have arguments, attack the messenger. Facts.

    I asked to list his 'policies and deregulation', I've got none back. Your turn.
    He gave you the results. You write them off b/c it suits you. Record unemployment; eh, no big deal. Wiping out Obama's ISIS in blitzkrieg time; eh, big .

    "attacking the messenger"

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    Yeah. Middle aged Hispanics of multiple generations are probably more conservative than rural whites.
    Hispanics are extremely catholic too. The only reason they're not a lock GOP voters is because the GOP keeps talking about them like they're trash.

    They didn't learn anything from Reagan, after he amnestied and brought over all those Cuban exiles... that has been a solid GOP voting block in Florida for generations.

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    Of course it's great for the GOP... some people really need to be told to let go.
    They won't let go because it's not just them, it's their family, their heritage, all their donors and cons uents, and their "friends" on the other side of the isle. They won't relinquish that power for nothing, no in' way. Just look at McCain... stayed there until he died.

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    He gave you the results. You write them off b/c it suits you. Record unemployment; eh, no big deal. Wiping out Obama's ISIS in blitzkrieg time; eh, big .

    "attacking the messenger"
    To be fair I was using some satire. Most of that can be dissected and debunked, but the general GOPer probably believes it to be true. It will be debate talking points though. The Dems have 2 years to get ahead of it.

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    NATE SILVER 11:56PM
    Steve King has now pulled into a tie in the Iowa 4th. Maybe I should have listened to The Upshot when they said that race would tighten.



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    Hispanics are extremely catholic too. The only reason they're not a lock GOP voters is because the GOP keeps talking about them like they're trash.

    They didn't learn anything from Reagan, after he amnestied and brought over all those Cuban exiles... that has been a solid GOP voting block in Florida for generations.
    I was wondering why Trump didn't just say "4000 refugees headed our way? , send the welcome wagon.. we welcome them!"

    That would have squashed a lot of momentum.

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    Trump...

    GOOD:

    - conquered Raqqa and defeated 95% of ISIS
    - stabilized the situation with North Korea (for now)
    - has fostered large-scale job growth
    - has boomed the economy
    - removed the individual health insurance mandate
    - distanced himself with the Access Hollywood and other scandals crap
    - put in 2 good SCOTUS judges

    BAD:

    - re-lifted sanctions on Iran, giving monopoly to OPEC and raising gas prices here
    - tariffs
    - no wall... but that was impractical to begin with, for the most part
    - angered Syria and Russia which were potential powerful allies for us

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    He gave you the results. You write them off b/c it suits you. Record unemployment; eh, no big deal. Wiping out Obama's ISIS in blitzkrieg time; eh, big .

    "attacking the messenger"
    What results? Unemployment was already heavily on the decline when he took over, the economy was booming, facts. It's not like he was handed a recession or anything, AND, I specifically gave him credit for not ing it up, so it's not like I'm pretending he screwed it up.

    Another chance to list his famous policies and deregulation slips by. I already listed his supposedly biggest accomplishments, did I miss anything? You can correct me if I'm wrong, state your case.

    And when you say I'm crying you're attacking the messenger... I'm stating my opinion and having a civil convo with another poster. I disagree with people here all the time, tbh...

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    Hispanics are extremely catholic too. The only reason they're not a lock GOP voters is because the GOP keeps talking about them like they're trash.

    They didn't learn anything from Reagan, after he amnestied and brought over all those Cuban exiles... that has been a solid GOP voting block in Florida for generations.
    I agree... I don't think it's too late for the GOP to flip the Hispanic vote considering they are socially conservative of the rest of the world for the most part. They can't just let EVERYONE in, but they need to appreciate them more and give the hardest working people a chance

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    Ugh, ing Pelosi ugly face again.... this is what's wrong with the Dems... need fresh faces...
    lol if she is speaker of house
    Lol is she loses speaker of house

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