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    I thought it was a bit screwed up when Poetl went down and no one bothered to foul or call time out.
    I noticed that, too. The team reaction wasn't what you'd expect when one of the "family" is hurting. A bad sign.

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    I thought it was a bit screwed up when Poetl went down and no one bothered to foul or call time out.
    yeah i'm glad i'm not the only one who noticed it. He was literally limping back and forth. They didn't want to foul because they were already over the limit, but they should have called a time out.

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    I didn't watch the game. But seeing all the Whiteside blocks, did LMA try to move further out to the three point line to draw Whiteside out and create more room for Demar and others to penetrate? It may have been a good opportunity to run a pick and pop with Aldridge and Demar?

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    1. 10 games in and Marco is shooting 32% from three and 39% from the field.

    Add in the poor defense and a few dumb turnovers and his age ... I just don't get it.

    2. I agree about White's defense. In the game thread I posted about that one impressive help block that Aldridge got came from White being able to recover and slow down the offensive player long enough for Aldridge to rotate over. Forbes and Mills and Bertans et al just get blown by or marched to the rim and it's over. Add in the deflections, he's an improvement on defense.

    Offensively he was uncomfortable without chemistry with LMA and DD, but also with Pop's harsh hook that White had to feel like an anchor around his legs. Sure enough, a bad turnover and he's yanked. Meanwhile both Mills and Marco had the exact kind of dumb turnover, losing it to the defender right in front of them inexplicably ... but of course they are made men and don't have to worry. White was also showed some of his good passing and I expect if he ever gets comforable without getting Popped too much he'll deliver some nice stat lines.

    3. And Poeltl just looks ... soft, unmotivated. Unskilled.

    I have no doubt anymore that Mulitinov would be better. I don't even think Mulitinov has been performing up to his potential, but if he doesn't move with purpose. Poeltl just kind of floats around unless it's an offensive board opportunity.

    RC and Pop really got wrecked by the Raptors, it's embarrassing. Not only did the Raptors not have to give up OG or Siakam, they actually got Green with Kawhi, a top 3 player who faked his way out of town humiliating Pop and RC.
    You do realize the Raptors had the leverage right? They were taking a gamble on a 1 year rental, obviously they aren't going to give up a bunch of talent. DeRozan alone is better than anyone else any team would have offered. Or do you think they should've taken the Sixers/Lakers or whoever role players with potential ?

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    Sounds like a total team failure against a very mediocre Heat team. My decision to not league pass this year is looking smarter and smarter by the game.

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    this is the first game this season where you just knew that leonard would have been better than derozan in terms of imposing will. as to white, i expected rust so i'm not overly concerned especially in light of what he showed on the defensive side of the ball.

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    this game was absolute diarrhea

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    I don’t watch Heat games so can someone explain why is there always talk of them getting rid of Whiteside?
    I have the same question. Every time I see him play he looks like a stud.

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    Pop put DWhite in a very tough spot by starting him his first game back. (How many games has he ever started?) That said, if teammates had hit open shots he would have ended up with several more assists, no doubt boosting his overall confidence. Under the cir stances I thought he did okay.

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    I have the same question. Every time I see him play he looks like a stud.
    Whiteside didn't show up in the playoffs last year against the Sixers. He was terrible and pretty much a ghost the whole series.

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    Give Whiteside credit.....

    He put together one of the most dominating performances I have seen in a long time..his defensive presence had the entire team shook...and it was understandable he was blocking and contesting everything including jumpers..

    Aldridge shot is broken...which is becoming a problem for someone who relies on it so much. His catch and shoot release looks he’s pushing the ball out of his hand with his palm..just looks so out of rhythm and uncomfortable shooting out of the pick n pop.

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    You do realize the Raptors had the leverage right? They were taking a gamble on a 1 year rental, obviously they aren't going to give up a bunch of talent. DeRozan alone is better than anyone else any team would have offered. Or do you think they should've taken the Sixers/Lakers or whoever role players with potential ?
    100% accurate...

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    You do realize the Raptors had the leverage right? They were taking a gamble on a 1 year rental, obviously they aren't going to give up a bunch of talent. DeRozan alone is better than anyone else any team would have offered. Or do you think they should've taken the Sixers/Lakers or whoever role players with potential ?
    Raptors didn't have leverage. They couldn't back out of the deal once the talks got leaked. They would have ended up having to dump DeRozan for scraps and punting the season. The reality is that PATFO thought this was the best trade because a) they loved DeRozan and b) they're pretty down on Kawhi (my guess is because they think he's going to be somewhat injured for the rest of his career).

    There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that a smart, respectable group of people made a trade they thought was best while also believing that that trade wasn't the best. It doesn't make someone a homer or a hater; it just makes them an individual capable of forming an opinion. I don't see the need to frame the situation any other way. PATFO made their choice and have to make the best of it now. We don't have to like it, though, and we don't have to pretend the way it happened was the only way it could have gone down.

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    Mills shot 8/22. He shot more field goal attempts than he had points. Not to mention his god awful defense.

    A- is too generous for that chucker.

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    I don’t watch Heat games so can someone explain why is there always talk of them getting rid of Whiteside?
    He has a history of nagging minor knee injuries, like an MCL sprain & bruised knee. Also hip bruises. It makes him inconsistent physically, and he doesn't seem to handle it well emotionally, i.e. he gets discouraged easily.

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    Still a little early to tell but the Spurs' ceiling doesn't seem that high. When they are firing on all cylinders, they can squeak by low-playoff seed teams but when they are bad, they are at risk at getting blown out by even bad teams. White is still only a second year and Walker is a rookie. Plus they're more midrange players with questionable NBA 3pt shots.

    Schedule only gets harder starting mid November. I think staying .500 would honestly be a win for the Spurs.

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    Raptors didn't have leverage. They couldn't back out of the deal once the talks got leaked. They would have ended up having to dump DeRozan for scraps and punting the season. The reality is that PATFO thought this was the best trade because a) they loved DeRozan and b) they're pretty down on Kawhi (my guess is because they think he's going to be somewhat injured for the rest of his career).

    There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that a smart, respectable group of people made a trade they thought was best while also believing that that trade wasn't the best. It doesn't make someone a homer or a hater; it just makes them an individual capable of forming an opinion. I don't see the need to frame the situation any other way. PATFO made their choice and have to make the best of it now. We don't have to like it, though, and we don't have to pretend the way it happened was the only way it could have gone down.
    Disagree. Raptors were not stuck to a trade at any point in time. DeRozan was even trying to make sure they didn't trade him. Masai obviously lied like half the GMs would've but no one on the face of it was pushing for their team to trade for Kawhi. It was a big risk for a 1 year rental with uncle problems and a mysterious injury that looked like only LA doctors could heal.

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    When the only two players that grade out at an A level are the worst contracts on the team, that's why you lost.

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    Raptors didn't have leverage. They couldn't back out of the deal once the talks got leaked. They would have ended up having to dump DeRozan for scraps and punting the season. The reality is that PATFO thought this was the best trade because a) they loved DeRozan and b) they're pretty down on Kawhi (my guess is because they think he's going to be somewhat injured for the rest of his career).

    There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that a smart, respectable group of people made a trade they thought was best while also believing that that trade wasn't the best. It doesn't make someone a homer or a hater; it just makes them an individual capable of forming an opinion. I don't see the need to frame the situation any other way. PATFO made their choice and have to make the best of it now. We don't have to like it, though, and we don't have to pretend the way it happened was the only way it could have gone down.
    They had the leverage in the sense that they didn't have to make any deal. The Spurs did. They knew Kawhi wasn't going to play, so either deal with a year of drama and Kawhi sitting out, or trade. The offers they were getting were mostly meh cause of him (or his camp rather) stating he wanted to be in LA. So they were getting a guy at DeRozan's caliber already, Massai wasn't about to throw younger guys knowing Kawhi could very well dip next year. I would be shocked if Pop/RC weren't aiming for OG or Siakam but settled on Poeltl.

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    without Gay we're going to get destroyed against Houston. The standings in the West are pretty close right now (besides surprising Denver and usual suspect GS). If we lose another 3/4 we could be at the bottom of the standings.

    It's fitting that Gay is now injured, since everyone is. Not sure why everyone is getting hurt here all the time, and guys in other places never seem to get hurt. But there's no way to stay compe ive when you're starting effectively rookies and end of bench players or players who arguably should be in the G league.

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    Disagree. Raptors were not stuck to a trade at any point in time. DeRozan was even trying to make sure they didn't trade him. Masai obviously lied like half the GMs would've but no one on the face of it was pushing for their team to trade for Kawhi. It was a big risk for a 1 year rental with uncle problems and a mysterious injury that looked like only LA doctors could heal.
    That was at the beginning. By the time the deal was done, it was pretty common knowledge it was going to get done. At that point, the Raptors could not bring DeRozan back. You saw how badly he spiraled down after the trade, even with PATFO and Gay supporting him. Imagine how much worse that would have been with Ujuri having to pull the "I voted for it, but I was glad that it didn't pass" card? It would have been like the failed Chris Paul trade.

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    They had the leverage in the sense that they didn't have to make any deal. The Spurs did. They knew Kawhi wasn't going to play, so either deal with a year of drama and Kawhi sitting out, or trade. The offers they were getting were mostly meh cause of him (or his camp rather) stating he wanted to be in LA. So they were getting a guy at DeRozan's caliber already, Massai wasn't about to throw younger guys knowing Kawhi could very well dip next year. I would be shocked if Pop/RC weren't aiming for OG or Siakam but settled on Poeltl.
    The Raptors did have to make a deal. Once they decided to kill the king, they had to make sure he was dead. The Spurs didn't have to make a deal, especially not then. Maybe with all the locker-room , they didn't have the stomach to hold onto Kawhi any longer. I can't judged them too harshly if that was the case. But I'm also not going to remove all other lines of thinking. It's not like Kawhi was going to become more of a cancer if the Spurs told him the deal with Toronto fell through. He didn't want to go there anyway.

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    I appreciate the grades and the insight but I feel Forbes is almost always being graded too high. Unless he's being graded on a curve, I see no way how he's been a positive for this team lately, especially last night. If DeRozan gets a C+, Forbes should get a D.

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    without Gay we're going to get destroyed against Houston. The standings in the West are pretty close right now (besides surprising Denver and usual suspect GS). If we lose another 3/4 we could be at the bottom of the standings.

    It's fitting that Gay is now injured, since everyone is. Not sure why everyone is getting hurt here all the time, and guys in other places never seem to get hurt. But there's no way to stay compe ive when you're starting effectively rookies and end of bench players or players who arguably should be in the G league.
    injuries have been extremely frustrating. we were so excited to see murray in a bigger role this year.

    seeing how the team is right now, we would've been pretty decent with murray, walker, white all healthy. and of course rudy gay.

    injuries have just been really bad for us lately. very difficult to be compe ive when you don't have a great team to begin with, but then have injuries to the good players you do have. just too much to overcome.

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    injuries have been extremely frustrating. we were so excited to see murray in a bigger role this year.

    seeing how the team is right now, we would've been pretty decent with murray, walker, white all healthy. and of course rudy gay.

    injuries have just been really bad for us lately. very difficult to be compe ive when you don't have a great team to begin with, but then have injuries to the good players you do have. just too much to overcome.
    And your 2 best players looking worn down 10 games in. Allen Iverson would be rolling over in his grave. Dude played 40 MPG basically his entire (Sixers) career and never really got hurt. And he was slashing and cutting, running and jumping and taking it to the hole in a much more physical NBA. Today you're not allowed to play any physical defense and these guys are just getting non contact fluke injuries

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