Why are ppl rooting for us to win?

[hater]

OP is a got

[8FOR!3]

That's my point of view also... I don't want to tank

Ok but I don't want us to lose. If we lose it is what it is but I cheer for us to win games.

[DMC]

What u are saying is that u are fine with being mediocre and not making moves to get better? Ok that's ur perspective... I want to get better

I don't have any say over it. I want my team to win I don't give a damn who they put on the floor I want them to win.

[DMC]

Did you read my post ? and who do you want to trade for ? Davis for Gasol + Patty and fillers... No ? Ok, let me add 2 second rounders... Kawhi screw everything forcing spurs to reconsider what they built for the past 5 years.

No I think we should trade Bertans for Anthony Davis and maybe do a Patty Mills trade for either Kyrie Irving or a Durant + Steph Curry tandem. What do you think?

[duncan2k5]

Did you read my post ? and who do you want to trade for ? Davis for Gasol + Patty and fillers... No ? Ok, let me add 2 second rounders... Kawhi screw everything forcing spurs to reconsider what they built for the past 5 years.

I would trade for role players that fit the archetype of what the NBA is going to... I gave OG as an example... Not close to being a star... But a decent role player... KCP is another example of someone I would trade for... I'd keep Metu because he has potential

[duncan2k5]

I don't have any say over it. I want my team to win I don't give a damn who they put on the floor I want them to win.

We can't win with what we have... How do u not get that?

[duncan2k5]

No I think we should trade Bertans for Anthony Davis and maybe do a Patty Mills trade for either Kyrie Irving or a Durant + Steph Curry tandem. What do you think?

Because I want to trade means I'm asking to trade our trash for stars? Nice straw man

[DMC]

We can't win with what we have... How do u not get that?

Do you want them to?

[DMC]

Because I want to trade means I'm asking to trade our trash for stars? Nice straw man

Garbage out and garbage in. Other trash players aren't going to make our team any better.

[duncan2k5]

Warriors became elite through trades and developing the young players they have that fit with today's NBA... ppl who weren't that, they ship out for the most part... But some ppl here seem to be ok with annual first round exits so long as Pop keeps his streak going... I on the other hand want the team to win... Get RID of these archaic guys while they still have value...

[DMC]

I would trade for role players that fit the archetype of what the NBA is going to... I gave OG as an example... Not close to being a star... But a decent role player... KCP is another example of someone I would trade for... I'd keep Metu because he has potential

There are 28 other teams in the league trading all over the place and none of them are getting any closer to beating the Warriors. There are only a few trades every year that can make a team better, the rest of them are just neutral moves or actually making things worse. A lot of the trades are just to move money around.

The team we have now is relatively new they only have a few games together and you're already ready to trade them. As soon as you get new pieces in if they don't have a winning streak of 10 or 12 games right away you'll be ready to trade them too. That's why you're working a minimum-wage job and not a GM at a professional franchise.

[DMC]

Warriors became elite through trades and developing the young players they have that fit with today's NBA... ppl who weren't that, they ship out for the most part... But some ppl here seem to be ok with annual first round exits so long as Pop keeps his streak going... I on the other hand want the team to win... Get RID of these archaic guys while they still have value...

The warriors were elite before they had Kevin Durant. They already had a championship. There is only one Kevin Durant only one LeBron James neither of them are ever coming to San Antonio.

How many consecutive first round exits have there been? Are you just using hyperbole?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If this Spurs team can win, and be close, then there is a draw to attract free agents next summer...maybe not franchise guys, but solid role players. You don't have to tank in order to rebuild. The Spurs got lucky twice with DRob and then Duncan. No other team in the league can say they went two-for-two on number one picks who were able to turn the franchise around. In fact, you can probably only point to a handful of guys who have that impact every 25 years. To say the Spurs can just tank and rebuild is pretty short-sighted.

The Spurs could be the next small market team that rolls around in mediocrity for the next 30 years if they tank in order to rebuild. They'd be better off being a 45 win team, and then let the franchise reputation, the opportunity for success, and the current group (guys liked around the league i.e. DeRozan), attract their buddies to join the Spurs and get them over the hump next season.

San Antonio isn't an easy sell to free agents when the team is good. Imagine if the Spurs are a 20 win team...no FA will want to land here.

The whole idea of tanking to get better is a huge gamble.

[JPB]

If this Spurs team can win, and be close, then there is a draw to attract free agents next summer...maybe not franchise guys, but solid role players. You don't have to tank in order to rebuild. The Spurs got lucky twice with DRob and then Duncan. No other team in the league can say they went two-for-two on number one picks who were able to turn the franchise around. In fact, you can probably only point to a handful of guys who have that impact every 25 years. To say the Spurs can just tank and rebuild is pretty short-sighted.

The Spurs could be the next small market team that rolls around in mediocrity for the next 30 years if they tank in order to rebuild. They'd be better off being a 45 win team, and then let the current group, guys like DeRozan, attract their buddies to join the Spurs and get them over the hump next season.

San Antonio isn't an easy sell to free agents when the team is good. Imagine if the Spurs are a 20 win team...no FA will want to land here.

The whole idea of tanking to get better is a huge gamble.

This. Gotta take care of your brand as a team to attract players, cap space won't just do it. Great players are joining winning or ready-to win teams and nobody wants to sign in all the New Jerseys or phoenixs of the world.

[SAGirl]

If this Spurs team can win, and be close, then there is a draw to attract free agents next summer...maybe not franchise guys, but solid role players. You don't have to tank in order to rebuild. The Spurs got lucky twice with DRob and then Duncan. No other team in the league can say they went two-for-two on number one picks who were able to turn the franchise around. In fact, you can probably only point to a handful of guys who have that impact every 25 years. To say the Spurs can just tank and rebuild is pretty short-sighted.

Nah, I am just thinking of franchises like Utah who got Donovan and got a second lease on a team that once Hayward left, everyone thought was going down to tanking again. In fact, Mitc this season regressing has hurt them. The Grizzlies unabashedly tanked last season, but they got Jaren Jackson. I think when you think that tanking is going to solve all your problems that is where you are wrong. You also have to get rid of all the roleplayers who are underperforming and carrying dead weight (basically the tank aiders you had). Then you have to go and get good roleplayers. I definitely think a high lotto pick would help the Spurs.

But I realize, that the PATFO decided against it with the Kiwi trade, and their "big 3" players are aging with a short window. If you are going to seriously tank, they probably will be disgruntled, Gay for sure isn't signing back for that, and LMA and Derozan are going to start complaining. So the Spurs have to turn it around bc they already committed to staying compe ive. We shall see what happens with the strong schedule they are going to face. They have to evaluate their roleplayers if they are turning into tank aiders.

[Mirrornick]

I would trade LMA for a decent young role player... Someone like OG

Doesn't work like that. Their salary don't match. Both teams are over the cap.

[duncan2k5]

There are 28 other teams in the league trading all over the place and none of them are getting any closer to beating the Warriors. There are only a few trades every year that can make a team better, the rest of them are just neutral moves or actually making things worse. A lot of the trades are just to move money around.

The team we have now is relatively new they only have a few games together and you're already ready to trade them. As soon as you get new pieces in if they don't have a winning streak of 10 or 12 games right away you'll be ready to trade them too. That's why you're working a minimum-wage job and not a GM at a professional franchise.

I'm ready to trade mills, Gasol, and LMA... not the entire team

[duncan2k5]

The warriors were elite before they had Kevin Durant. They already had a championship. There is only one Kevin Durant only one LeBron James neither of them are ever coming to San Antonio.

How many consecutive first round exits have there been? Are you just using hyperbole?

I was referring to before KG... they built their team for the new NBA... they didn't keep around archaic players just because they liked their politics or personality...

[duncan2k5]

If this Spurs team can win, and be close, then there is a draw to attract free agents next summer...maybe not franchise guys, but solid role players. You don't have to tank in order to rebuild. The Spurs got lucky twice with DRob and then Duncan. No other team in the league can say they went two-for-two on number one picks who were able to turn the franchise around. In fact, you can probably only point to a handful of guys who have that impact every 25 years. To say the Spurs can just tank and rebuild is pretty short-sighted.

The Spurs could be the next small market team that rolls around in mediocrity for the next 30 years if they tank in order to rebuild. They'd be better off being a 45 win team, and then let the franchise reputation, the opportunity for success, and the current group (guys liked around the league i.e. DeRozan), attract their buddies to join the Spurs and get them over the hump next season.

San Antonio isn't an easy sell to free agents when the team is good. Imagine if the Spurs are a 20 win team...no FA will want to land here.

The whole idea of tanking to get better is a huge gamble.

I... Don't... Want... To... Tank... Stop making it an argument

[SpursDynasty85]

I... Don't... Want... To... Tank... Stop making it an argument

Lol why does your le say we should be rooting for losses then?

Anyway. I reread your first post. Seems silly. Root for losses have a massive protest and then force trades. Seems like a silly plan. Pop, RC, or ownership doesn't read Spurstalk I'm sure.

[duncan2k5]

This. Gotta take care of your brand as a team to attract players, cap space won't just do it. Great players are joining winning or ready-to win teams and nobody wants to sign in all the New Jerseys or phoenixs of the world.

Mavs have one of the most player friendly teams, but no one signs there because it is Texas, and they suck... Trading players away doesn't make ppl not want to join a team... Every team makes trades... U said it urself... Elite players are joining teams to win... Not because the front office didn't trade anyone

[duncan2k5]

Nah, I am just thinking of franchises like Utah who got Donovan and got a second lease on a team that once Hayward left, everyone thought was going down to tanking again. In fact, Mitc this season regressing has hurt them. The Grizzlies unabashedly tanked last season, but they got Jaren Jackson. I think when you think that tanking is going to solve all your problems that is where you are wrong. You also have to get rid of all the roleplayers who are underperforming and carrying dead weight (basically the tank aiders you had). Then you have to go and get good roleplayers. I definitely think a high lotto pick would help the Spurs.

But I realize, that the PATFO decided against it with the Kiwi trade, and their "big 3" players are aging with a short window. If you are going to seriously tank, they probably will be disgruntled, Gay for sure isn't signing back for that, and LMA and Derozan are going to start complaining. So the Spurs have to turn it around bc they already committed to staying compe ive. We shall see what happens with the strong schedule they are going to face. They have to evaluate their roleplayers if they are turning into tank aiders.

So ur agreeing with my point while trying to act like u aren't... That's what I'm saying... Don't tank... But get rid of players that won't help us win a championship in the current NBA... u do that by trading... Waiting three years for LMA's horrible contract to expire is insane... Trade him while he has value

[duncan2k5]

Doesn't work like that. Their salary don't match. Both teams are over the cap.

U are missing the point... I'm talking about what I would want... The type of player I'd trade him for... Not saying I specifically want to trade LMA for OG... and it can work via multiple teams if you really want it to

[duncan2k5]

Lol why does your le say we should be rooting for losses then?

That's what happens when you read the le alone and not the reasoning in the post... Reading is fundamental... I don't want to tank... Never advocated for it

[Mirrornick]

U are missing the point... I'm talking about what I would want... The type of player I'd trade him for... Not saying I specifically want to trade LMA for OG... and it can work via multiple teams if you really want it to

patfo should have snatched Siakam in the Kawhi trade. The raptors were desperate to get Kawhi Leonard.