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keeping wrong guy to make him happy and build around...
fkn he couldnt do it in portland, what makes patfo think he can get it done in SA?
pathetic, the whole roster needs to go man
From 67 wins to .500
keeping wrong guy to make him happy and build around...
fkn he couldnt do it in portland, what makes patfo think he can get it done in SA?
pathetic, the whole roster needs to go man
Yeah, Leonard acted 100% normal and above reproach
Uncle Dennis is a visionary. He just knew it.
They didnt offer him the max. All the ramblings and drama started when Dennis got wind of spurs reluctance of offering the max. They played it safe.
What happened to your screen name?
Wouldn’t be surprised if Uncle Dennis wanted the supermax from the Spurs and then demand a trade to LA
This topic is dead. There's been multiple studies confirming the overrated impact coaching has on NBA teams, meaning that "systems" and tactics are equally as overrated. Formula for winning basketball games: Get stars. That's it. Any dumb teenager who's played a few hours of NBA 2K could develop a "system" that can work with great talent. I'll say the most important function an NBA head coach has is determining in game rotations (the analytics office will come up with the set rotations). And that aspect of coaching is pretty much intuitive guesswork anyway (i.e. my star is having a tough game, do I sit him for a bit or stay with him and hope he finds it).
Even Doc Rivers would have won 5 les with the 80s Lakers
"Earvin, James, Byron, run!"
« Pass the ball to Kareem, sky hook!"
The Enrique effect
Yup. I've always hated how the media always downplayed the talent of tim,manu, and tp9 and gave mostly all the credit to the spurs "system" and pop.
It's easy to critique after the fact, but the plan that was in place-- Murray, Green, and Kawhi as a back court-- would have been a pretty great defensive team designed to easily switch on teams like Golden State and Houston. Barring strange happenings and injuries, the Spurs starting five might be Aldridge, Gay, Kawhi, Green/White, Murray... that's a pretty good team. I was especially looking forward to the defensive pairing of Kawhi & Murray-- that had the potential to be legendary. Oh well.
They couldn't trade him for a year if they signed that got to the supermax.
There's not another coach in the league that could have gone B2B Finals and a ring with that lineup. No way. Danny Green and Gary Neal as your high scorers? Patty Mills? Tiago Splitter?
lol what? That roster was as deep a roster as you will ever find.
Tony, Green, Kawhi, Duncan, Splitter, Mills, Manu, Boris. Eight guys that were above average rotation guys back in 2014. Heck, even third string guys like Joseph, Belinelli, Bonner and Baynes were better than many teams' second unit guys.
Tony was a s of his former self. Kawhi was still introverted on the court. Mills was waived by his former team as was Danny Green (and Boris as well I believe). Tim was just a couple years from retirement.
You say this because of how well they did as a team, using basically circular reasoning to support your claim that they were good regardless of the coach (because hey, they played good together). Don't forget about how great Gary Neal was.
That deep roster got their pushed in during the 1st round in 2015.
Picking at straws just to try to make an argument full DMC style.
Tony was a s of his former self. Kawhi was still introverted on the court. Mills was waived by his former team as was Danny Green (and Boris as well I believe). Tim was just a couple years from retirement.
You say this because of how well they did as a team, using basically circular reasoning to support your claim that they were good regardless of the coach (because hey, they played good together). Don't forget about how great Gary Neal was.
That deep roster got their pushed in during the 1st round in 2015.
Who cares how they got there. All those player were above average level players from around 2012 to 2015.
Three already proven Hall of famers in Tim, Manu and Tony.
One future Hall of famer in Kawhi.
One already proven veteran and borderline all-star in a couple of seasons like Boris Diaw.
A top tier role player for years like Danny Green.
A former Euroleague MVP in Splitter and a fit Patty Mills that ended up as the leading scorer of every FiBA tournament back then and would drop 20+ on every NBA game in which he would get enough minutes.
Few NBA teams in history were as deep as that Spurs team. At least in the modern, expansion era.
"Let's say you have a great offensive player like Steph Curry. You want to make him work on defense, but to do that you need a great one-on-one player to give the ball to. We don't have a Kevin Durant, a LeBron, a James Harden, so we have to do it with pieces. And the only way to do that is to move the basketball and make the people guarding you move with it." - Coach PopPicking at straws just to try to make an argument full DMC style.
Who cares how they got there. All those player were above average level players from around 2012 to 2015.
Three already proven Hall of famers in Tim, Manu and Tony.
One future Hall of famer in Kawhi.
One already proven veteran and borderline all-star in a couple of seasons like Boris Diaw.
A top tier role player for years like Danny Green.
A former Euroleague MVP in Splitter and a fit Patty Mills that ended up as the leading scorer of every FiBA tournament back then and would drop 20+ on every NBA game in which he would get enough minutes.
Few NBA teams in history were as deep as that Spurs team. At least in the modern, expansion era.
You're saying any coach could have run that 5, 6 and 7 passes ball movement to stay ahead of the rotations of Miami?
Tony is still a future HOFer. Why isn't he taking Charlotte to a ring? Do you even know what circular reasoning is? Tony and Manu are likely HOFers because of Pop. Danny Green was "green" when he arrived in SA. Boris was washed up. Marco was as well. Tiago missed training camp and couldn't get playing time most of the season. These people were pieces but Pop was the artist. Same with Kawhi, if he ever gets there. "Of course people think DaVinci is a great artist, but he has the Mona Lisa!"
Splitter was never the Euroleague MVPFalling for the long running schtick.. He was the Spanish League MVP
You're clueless if you think someone like Doc Rivers could have taken that team to the Finals 2x in a row.
So coaching couldn't stop them from getting their pushed in? It's almost like it doesn't matter
That deep roster got their pushed in during the 1st round in 2015.
If you want to speculate about behind the scenes management (i.e. handling players, managing egos, etc), I could buy that, since Pop, before the Kawhi saga, was a coach players highly respected and fell in line for, but I'm over the idea that there exists a "voodoo system" that will completely catch opponents off-guard. Great players can flourish under any "system" (as long as the system is analytically valid, ex. no coach is going to win too many games today going back to a post-centric offense with bigs). Many of the big sports are kind of "solved" in regard to what works and what doesn't, so talent really is the main deciding factor now.
Tough to say systems don’t matter when Steve Kerr turned the warriors into a dynasty when Jackson was asking them a fringe playoff team.
Pop has been an integral part of the spurs runs. At no point in time we’re the spurs clearly the most talented team in the nba. The kings jailblazers Mavs suns all had talent.
No, I'm saying that system wouldn't have won with lesser players?
Because he isn't even 1/8th as good as he was in 2013 and 2014.Tony is still a future HOFer. Why isn't he taking Charlotte to a ring?
lol Manu had Pop on the other side when he turned himself into a HoF lock, tbh.Do you even know what circular reasoning is? Tony and Manu are likely HOFers because of Pop.
I'm not saying any coach could have taken that team to the finals 2x. I'm saying that no coaching in the World matters if you don't have good enough players. Talent is waaaaaay more important than coaching.Danny Green was "green" when he arrived in SA. Boris was washed up. Marco was as well. Tiago missed training camp and couldn't get playing time most of the season. These people were pieces but Pop was the artist. Same with Kawhi, if he ever gets there. "Of course people think DaVinci is a great artist, but he has the Mona Lisa!"
Splitter was never the Euroleague MVP
You're clueless if you think someone like Doc Rivers could have taken that team to the Finals 2x in a row.
I don't know if any coach could have taken those players to two consecutive finals, but many of them could. That team was just that good and that talented. Who knows, maybe some other coaches could have repeated with that roster. All they needed to do was not taking out your best player in the most important possession of the season.
That's stupid. He doesn't get into the Hall just off Euro and Olympics and 1 nba le. He locked himself in being Coached by Pop and being drafted by him. What a argument.lol Manu had Pop on the other side when he turned himself into a HoF lock, tbh.
lol son. That entire Argentina team will get into the Hall just for that one run.
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