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    Spurs will always and forever be my #1 team (despite me being a whiny about them all the time). I’ve always had a soft spot for the Raptors since I live in Toronto but Kawhi. It sucks because I want the Raptors to do well but I can’t bring myself to root for Kawhi. It’s been very bizarre. It’s like your wife leaving you for your best friend and then they both decide to move in with you. Still not used to seeing him in another jersey. I just hope he s off to the Clippers so I can root for the Raps as my second team “normally” instead of thisnweird conflicted situation that we have now

    Still miss Danny Green, nice to see him do well here.
    Thanks for explaining that. I wasn't sure how high up the Raptors are on your favourite team list. It's a really ty situation to be in. I've watched most Raptors games (I figured, why not, since I have International League Pass and can watch any team or game, I might as well use it) as I like Lowry and still like Danny Green as a person even though I wanted him traded as a player, I always thought he was a good guy that was loyal to the Spurs, but it really does suck seeing him on another Kawhi and Danny (more so now because he's playing much better this season and I didn't know he had a groin injury for most of last season until after the trade) on another team.

    I don't really have a second favourite team as I pretty much only used to follow and/or watch the Spurs during the whole Tim Duncan era. I wasn't interested in watching any other teams back then because I didn't like the way/type of Basketball they played compared to how the Spurs played. I usually only watched the match-ups between the other top teams to kind scout and size them up for when they play against the Spurs. I also don't like following players that are ty people off the court and selfish players on the court (apart from when the game is on the line, I think it's OK to be a little selfish if you're a Superstar level player when the game in on the line). Anyway, I've been trying to watch Raptors games due to the above reasons, plus I don't mind them overall because I never had a problem with them in the past. I'm also trying to watch some other teams such as Milwaukee due to Giannis being an amazing player and now Bud being their head coach seems to be taking them to another level so far.

    It's been more evident this year because he's nowhere near as good as he was for the Spurs as a 1-on-1 player and his 3-point shot is broken..

    I didn't mind when he did it with SA due to the lack of alternative options + how dominant he was as a 1 on 1 scorer..
    He does not look like the real Kawhi to me right now. 2017 Kawhi was a monster on both ends. He was that dominant. I don't know if it's because of rust, or if he still isn't back to being 100% phyiscally. If he's 100% physically healthy right now, and if he was also 100% healthy the second half of last season like some people have mentioned, then I think uncle dennis and his crew made a big mistake having him sit out the second half of last season because it may have negatively impacted his game (again, this only applies if he was healthy).

    Hes about to get paid and tha raps are bending backwards so he can finish the year without any injury
    How pissed would the Raptors be if he bolts after catering this much to him throughout the year? If he leaves, I bet they're going to wish that they played him in every back to back and had gotten more of their money's worth out of him.

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    Why play him when they keep beating the crap out of teams when hes out.

    I'm curious though, is he on the bench at least to support his teammates?
    Roster u serious? They beat the bulls and the Lakers... And against the bulls they sat their best players... With Kawhi they actually beat the good teams... Without him VS good teams they lost... Let's not pretend as if Kawhi doesn't bring wins... I understand ur mad... But let's not be Thanos and change reality... Toronto is the best team in the league and most likely will make the finals... And Kawhi is the warrior's kryptonite, so who knows what happens there

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    Amazing how ing often this head sits out. Never ever plays any back to backs, and even earlier in the season with two days off he apparently needed some rest. He is the most fragile 27-year-old in the league..
    U do know it's the raps sitting him out, right? They are being careful with him because they actually have something to play for this year

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    I got banned on realgm for telling the raptors fans that Kawhi Leonard is an ISO player who can't pass. They seriously thought they were getting a Michael Jordan with LeBron James passing and Kobe Bryant mamba mentality. Now 20% are turning on him. It's only a matter of time before everyone turns on him.
    Why didn't we turn on him then? That's like arguing that Duncan isn't as valuable as KG because KG passes the ball more... Do u want to win? Or do u want to look pretty? Our final full season with Kawhi we were 7th in assists and the second most dominant team in the nba

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    Was watching the Raps play the Celts yesterday and noticed how Kawhi lost some lift and purely relies on length to his shot off. He’s become an outstanding individual player but what a ing ballhog though.
    Ballhog? The guy is taking 18 shots per game... The raptors are averaging more assists this year as a team than they did last year... We are averaging less assists as a team this year than we did when Kawhi had a full season with us... And there is a Toronto article downplaying Kawhi not being on the bench saying he is in the locker room before the game with his teammates, but remains behind for training...

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    Why didn't we turn on him then? That's like arguing that Duncan isn't as valuable as KG because KG passes the ball more... Do u want to win? Or do u want to look pretty? Our final full season with Kawhi we were 7th in assists and the second most dominant team in the nba
    Raptors fans are shook because they very well know that Kawhi Leonard might leave the team and they will be forced to start from middle of no where as their best player(Kyle) is 33 years old. If Kawhi leaves, they would likely stay compe ive in the regular season as long as Lowry plays well. But they will get bounced in the 1st round.

    if you read the realgm threads on raptors board. You'll see people call out leonard for taking bad shots. Some are calling him worse than DeRozan offensively. The board goes nuts and panics after losing a game lol

    bipolar

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    kawhi hasn’t been exactly what he was (so far at least)... he plays like he’s 25 lbs heavier (other than when he’s posting up). idk if he’s not 100 or just not playing at 100. i have noticed less explosiveness, and just seems like moves slower. could be he’s on a new team/taking it easy to start the season. rust from not playing last season?

    i’d say so far kawhi has been 80% of what he was. maybe he knows he doesn’t have to push so hard for the raptors to win games.

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    Kawhi’s #1 goal is getting that max contract. Winning basketball games isn’t his priority right now. He wants to get his stats while playing as few games as possible to get that contract. Don’t expect him to give full effort in the playoffs where there’s increase chance of getting injured

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    Kawhi’s #1 goal is getting that max contract. Winning basketball games isn’t his priority right now. He wants to get his stats while playing as few games as possible to get that contract. Don’t expect him to give full effort in the playoffs where there’s increase chance of getting injured
    Agreed.

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    Hey dumb s, you could've had Kawhi


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    Kawhi’s #1 goal is getting that max contract. Winning basketball games isn’t his priority right now. He wants to get his stats while playing as few games as possible to get that contract. Don’t expect him to give full effort in the playoffs where there’s increase chance of getting injured
    Spurs should’ve given him that contract

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    How’s he nominated for player of the month?

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    How’s he nominated for player of the month?
    Travesty. Hes like sitting out games and taking things easy

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    Kawhi advanced stats:


    2016-17:

    Player Efficiency Rating: 3rd
    Real Plus-Minus: 5th
    Offensive RPM: 5th
    Defensive RPM: 87th
    Box Plus-Minus: 7th
    Offensive BPM: 9th
    Defensive BPM: below 20th
    Win Shares per 48: 3rd
    True Shooting Pct: 20th
    Rebound Pct: below 20th
    Steal Pct: 7th
    Block Pct: below 20th

    2018-19:

    Player Efficiency Rating: 19th
    Real Plus-Minus: 60th
    Offensive RPM: 57th
    Defensive RPM: 186th
    Box Plus-Minus: below 20th
    Offensive BPM: below 20th
    Defensive BPM: below 20th
    Win Shares per 48: below 20th
    True Shooting Pct: below 20th
    Rebound Pct: below 20th
    Steal Pct: 20th
    Block Pct: below 20th

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    Kawhi advanced stats:


    2016-17:

    Player Efficiency Rating: 3rd
    Real Plus-Minus: 5th
    Offensive RPM: 5th
    Defensive RPM: 87th
    Box Plus-Minus: 7th
    Offensive BPM: 9th
    Defensive BPM: below 20th
    Win Shares per 48: 3rd
    True Shooting Pct: 20th
    Rebound Pct: below 20th
    Steal Pct: 7th
    Block Pct: below 20th

    2018-19:

    Player Efficiency Rating: 19th
    Real Plus-Minus: 60th
    Offensive RPM: 57th
    Defensive RPM: 186th
    Box Plus-Minus: below 20th
    Offensive BPM: below 20th
    Defensive BPM: below 20th
    Win Shares per 48: below 20th
    True Shooting Pct: below 20th
    Rebound Pct: below 20th
    Steal Pct: 20th
    Block Pct: below 20th
    Its all the back to back resting.

    Can you believe this dude is resting after playing 28 minutes....

    But plus minus is skwed in general specially if a championship caliber role player like Anunoby is playing behind you.

    Still This is starting to be borderline stupid.

    No player has taken this level of precaution in any sport ever.

    That Quest for the max is starting to sound like a game for dennis. Specially since he wasnt able to acquire any player to manage since who the would.

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    Just go with the injured angle already, because goddamn your schtick is getting old. He hasn't made a single putback dunk and his 3ball stroke is flatter and shorter than ever. He's about to average his worst 3P% since his rookie season because there's no ing lift in his legs, it should be obvious to any Spurfan without any schticks to grind. He's damaged goods. Year Two No ACL Rudy Gay has more lift than Year One Bone Spur Kawhi.

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    another day, another Kawhi rest day. This guy is pathetic.

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    Just go with the injured angle already, because goddamn your schtick is getting old. He hasn't made a single putback dunk and his 3ball stroke is flatter and shorter than ever. He's about to average his worst 3P% since his rookie season because there's no ing lift in his legs, it should be obvious to any Spurfan without any schticks to grind. He's damaged goods. Year Two No ACL Rudy Gay has more lift than Year One Bone Spur Kawhi.
    Delusional

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    another day, another Kawhi rest day. This guy is pathetic.
    Salty af

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    About watching an athlete perform, pre and post-injury? This is why narratives and schticks are cancer, it's all fun and games to begin with but when it actually starts to override conclusions made from empirical game data is when a kool-aid circlejerk is born.

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    That is pretty pathetic though, he's not a 36 year old and he's coming off over a year of rest

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    It’s hilarious this dudes resting like this. Never had surgery never tore anything. This guy Gordon Hayward snapped his ankle and is playing in back to backs now.

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    It’s hilarious this dudes resting like this. Never had surgery never tore anything. This guy Gordon Hayward snapped his ankle and is playing in back to backs now.
    Don't forget that TP's injury was 100x worse than Kawhi's and he plays back to backs too.

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    Nothing says MVP like your team constantly winning without u.

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    Nothing says MVP like your team constantly winning without u.
    lol they said the same thing about the Spurs last few years though, "he's not he mvp they're winning games without him" "7-0"

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