MAKE THAT TWO ing seasons, stop it, seriously you are embarrassing yourself. Kawhi is playing really well right now.
I didn't know being bitter is telling the truth. Truth is he was the best player but he was never a leader. This is the same guy who never liked to talk to teammates or interact with them in anyways. Don't give me some bs about how Tim was the same because that wasn't the case. You could always see Tim talking to his teammates throughout the game or interacting with them on the bench. Kawhi never did any of that stuff.
Yeah I don't think this was any surprise. And at all the idiots who compare him to Duncan, just stop. Turn in your fan card and admit you never saw Duncan play. Tim was at EVERY single game he missed in street clothes. He was cheering like crazy on the sidelines and he would high five and rub players heads in celebration for the way they played (in street clothes). He was the first one in the building and the last one out. He allowed himself to be yelled at and treated like by Pop in front of others bc it was for the good of the team. He high fived every player before they headed to the locker room and made it a point to be the last one in the locker room. In fact, it was said that the Spurs expected Kawhi to be like Duncan but Kawhi wasn't anything like Duncan personality wise. So Duncan 2k5 take Tim Duncan out of your name. YWGI turn in your fan card and go complain about another team. Pop spoke the truth. He is a Spur and Kawhi isn't one. You want to be a player fan then go ahead but this is Spurstalk s, support this Spurs team or GTFO
Yes, you cry baby, let me ask you this is there any particular reason to behave like this????
Anyways, just so you know, it was zelimir obradovic who said ( when Panathinaikos played the Spurs) something along the lines that Pop's secret is that he keeps Timmy Happy. Also, Jefferson once said "Pop does all the dirty work for Timmy".
And if you have been around that long, like me, you would know that a lot has changed in the Spurs and Pop.
Nobody said he was a perfect leader or even a general of sorts. But when it came to that team and beating GS in 2017, Kawhi knew he had to lead on the court.
All of his advanced metrics are way down from two years ago. I say this with a grain of salt having not watch a full game, but it seems from looking at highlights he's lost some lift/explosiveness and is getting by on his high IQ and freakish physical tools.
I think the diagnosis was accurate by the Spurs in hindsight, but it would likely have cost him millions to accept such a (possibly grim) diagnosis.
Instead, throw the medical staff under the bus, alienate yourself from your teammates and sabotage an entire season to go somewhere else where they will cater to you, ignore your athletic to deterioration and baby you like your a 39 year old Tim Duncan.
No he didn’t
In other words he was not a leader. It's ok to admit it. Like I said before the best player is not always a leader. You want to keep deflecting but I will keep bringing up how Draymond Green is the leader of the Warriors to illustrate the point. Kawhi never lead on the court. I never saw any forms of communication on the court. I remember Pop having to yell at Parker during '17 season to pass Kawhi the ball. A real leader would not need their coach to yell at a teammate to get them the ball. I remember Duncan cursing out Parker for not passing him the ball during a timeout in game 5 against the Lakers back in '04.
Kawhi is not a leader. He's even admitted in an interview that Lowry is the leader of the Raptors. That's just not who he is.
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I've been a Spurs fan for a long time so I don't need to "be like you," buddy.
Wow, the HOF coach has a special relationship with his best player like Phil Jackson and Jordan/Kobe/Shaq, Pat Riley and Magic Johnson/Dwyane Wade or Red Auerbach and Bill Russell.
Pop having a special bond with Duncan isn't unusual in the NBA, nor does it mean that Pop was doing anything to "keep Timmy happy."
The narratives and bull y'all come up with, man. Now, the most low maintenance superstar ever was catered to his whole career and Kawhi wasn't given the same treatment.
Y'all will say or do anything to justify him BAILING ON THIS FANBASE, sabotaging an entire season and harming the reputation of the training/medical staff just so he can look good.
Is Kawhi really the black Charles Manson on the low?
He is the BEST player on the team with the BEST record, hmm
Sorry, but Kyle Lowry is driving that bus. Toronto has blown out their opponents when Kawhi sits.
I agree the Pachulia thing was something to punish heavily, and Silver didn't do it.
But at the same time I cannot agree on the supposed inevitability of the long time off the court.
You're in the WCF and its just a swollen anckle...I never liked (the original) Isaiah Thomas, but he played on one leg and was able to perform...that's leadership. A leader would have put during the game some stuff on the anckle with the help of the docs and then came back on the game at least for one minute. A leader would have told Pop to let him be back in the game just for letting his teammates and opponents know he was alive and kicking, at least for the games to come. That's what a leader should have done...and the kiwi didn't do any of that.
Maybe. But with all that money out there, players are doing what they can do to extend their careers extra years. Playing hurt is a proven career shortener. Ask Bird and McHale.
Pop should have bought him carrot cake like he did for TD.
Except when guarding LaMarcus... Apparently...
I don't see this as big issue. Even now Kawhi doesn't look much like a leader, more like the super asset you use to win.
I'm watching Raptors games this season and he's still capable of dominating. He just doesn't seem like a leader and for what we know he doesn't even care. Also health is a concern and he does seem to have lost a step sometimes, but I guess we won't know what he's really got until later in the season.
One of the key things about the drama this year was Pop and RC saying Kawhi's relationship with them was the same as it's always been. This goes to show Kawhi never tried from year 1. Dude might be a nice teammate but he ain't a leader. Some of you claim it's because Pop never treated him with respect like he did with Timmy, but that kind of respect is earned and I think that's one of the lessons he tried to show Kawhi. But he failed that test miserably. Kawhi is not selfless in any sense of the word. Our rookie, Lonnie, is already doing things for the SA community that Kawhi never did. I think it's possible Kawhi becomes this later in his career, possibly when he's at a place he's happy (LA) , but he could have been something legendary...both on and off the court. This was what a HOF coach was trying to unlock in him but he backed down like a coward. I think while his team is doing well, they're missing one key element that our Spurs are building at the moment.... True unity led by real leaders who get along in DeMar and LMA. Even Dejounte, as much as he denies it, trashes on Kawhi on social media. Last night he posted on Instagram that he would never trade championships for fame and money. Last year, he posted about how games are to be played and not forfeited. Kawhi could play like MJ all he wants, but he will never bring a team together with his personality.
Kawhi has a better chance of being a leader with the Raptors. This is because the Raptors are loaded with players that are much younger than he is.
He is however not a natural leader. Rather he's physically gifted and has his own internal focus.
Mills by contrast isn't physically gifted and has no real talent. But he's a leader. Tim Duncan was the rare case where you got talent and leadership.
DeRozan may have a chance to being a good leader, he's not there yet. What you want to see is that never give up mentality that you saw in Duncan.
Pop's comment seemed very purposeful. Basically, let's not even pretend that Kawhi brought any leadership to the team. Also, those saying Duncan's leadership attributes were similar is complete nonsense. Duncan was an all time great leader and this mute can't even speak up when he doesn't like something.
Yeah I don't think this was any surprise. And at all the idiots who compare him to Duncan, just stop. Turn in your fan card and admit you never saw Duncan play. Tim was at EVERY single game he missed in street clothes. He was cheering like crazy on the sidelines and he would high five and rub players heads in celebration for the way they played (in street clothes). He was the first one in the building and the last one out. He allowed himself to be yelled at and treated like by Pop in front of others bc it was for the good of the team. He high fived every player before they headed to the locker room and made it a point to be the last one in the locker room. In fact, it was said that the Spurs expected Kawhi to be like Duncan but Kawhi wasn't anything like Duncan personality wise. So Duncan 2k5 take Tim Duncan out of your name. YWGI turn in your fan card and go complain about another team. Pop spoke the truth. He is a Spur and Kawhi isn't one. You want to be a player fan then go ahead but this is Spurstalk s, support this Spurs team or GTFO
2017 Western Conference finals against GSW, Kawhi wanted to play a few days after Pachulia injured his ankle. Pop decided to shot him down the rest of the series.. IMO, His willingness to play hurt is a leader. I think Pops comment is just a retaliation on one of Kawhi post game interview. He was asked about his new coach, He said "He likes his new coach because he listen to his players".
Old got is mad a ton of players escaped the Pop plantation
Fluffing of Fatty Mills because he keeps him warm at night now. Disgusting. Stephen Jackson always said this clown had favorites, and it's more evident now then never. The fat aboriginal can shoot 1-12 and get torched for 40, but old crater face will still have him out there closing games No. Matter. What.
Any means to justify that horrendous contract, I guess. You gots can enjoy Fatty's leadership right into a sub.500 season.
Yeah I don't think this was any surprise. And at all the idiots who compare him to Duncan, just stop. Turn in your fan card and admit you never saw Duncan play. Tim was at EVERY single game he missed in street clothes. He was cheering like crazy on the sidelines and he would high five and rub players heads in celebration for the way they played (in street clothes). He was the first one in the building and the last one out. He allowed himself to be yelled at and treated like by Pop in front of others bc it was for the good of the team. He high fived every player before they headed to the locker room and made it a point to be the last one in the locker room. In fact, it was said that the Spurs expected Kawhi to be like Duncan but Kawhi wasn't anything like Duncan personality wise. So Duncan 2k5 take Tim Duncan out of your name. YWGI turn in your fan card and go complain about another team. Pop spoke the truth. He is a Spur and Kawhi isn't one. You want to be a player fan then go ahead but this is Spurstalk s, support this Spurs team or GTFO
So because Kawhi doesn’t act exactly like Tim, let’s go ahead and trade him? Pretty sure Kobe wasn’t the same kind of leader that Tim was but you didn’t see the Lakers trading him!
Pop is 100% correct here - he is speaking truth here 100% regarding Kawhi.
Pop also spoke 100% truth about the piece of criminal who was placed there by Russia and is posing as president in the white house.
100% truth. I give Pop credit for that.
(still mad about taking Timmy out in 2013 - but that is another thread)
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