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why not?
Basically, he's a bargain basket, theoretical 3 and D type, who might be available because of politics . . .
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According to a source, the Knicks have been approached by a couple of teams about Dotson’s availability because of his precarious contract status.
why not?
Hopefully he’s cool with changing his jersey number
He's better than a lot of our current players, tbh.
It would be an awkward trade. At first glance, it looks like once 12/15 rolls around the team could use Pon to match salaries while letting the Knicks get out of paying some money. But Pon will only count for a few hundred thousand bucks by then, which is not enough to match. They'd have to guarantee most of if not all of Quincy's salary, which would probably make it harder to get a deal done (since SA doesn't have cash this year). And the min exception doesn't count here, since Dotson is technically not a min player. The team would have to send out actual salary to make it happen.
Also, I'm a little wary of giving up a second-rounder this year. I imagine it'll be the 40s, which is valuable enough to combine with the Raptors pick to move up for a certain player or could be used on a decent stash. I've gone on and on about the value of high-seconds. They've already lost possibly the best natural second-round pick they'll have for a long time to Utah. They certainly don't want to lose another just to take a flier.
Watched quite a few Knicks games this season and last season. Dotson is raw but has Kent Bazemore potential. He had like 2 or 3 good games. His defense is uneven but already better than Belli and Forbes. Knicks would want a 2nd though.
What are the chances of a second round pick becoming a 10 and 5 guy on his second year, like this Dotson guy is doing? I have to be honest, I've never heard of this guy before, but it sounds like he could be a decent option. If all it takes is a second round, I would do it, tbh. You don't pass up on the chance of getting a rotation player just to keep a second round pick than, most often that not, end up accounting for nothing.
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I can't remember the exact number off the top, but the league pays a base amount for veteran's minimum players, which means the team only pays a portion. If the draft pick is enticing enough, I doubt the Knicks let a relatively miniscule amount of money quash it, especially considering that barring a trade, they're going to have to waive a guaranteed contract when it's time to convert Trier's 2-way into a standard contract.
The bigger issue would probably be centered on the year/value of the 2nd, with the Knicks likely wanting the pick to convey in '19 and the Spurs likely wanting the pick to convey in '20. The compromise could be something like a top 40 or 45 protection on the '19 pick.
My sense would be the Pelicans are another team interested.
With the way the Spurs draft, there's actually a pretty decent chance that player is at least rotation caliber. Of course, Dotson may be highly regarded by RC and his staff. No idea. But a number of the players we're thinking about for the Toronto pick might end up as high-seconds (and vice-versa). We're talking about a team that's a LMA or DeRozan injury away from falling into the top-10. It's a risk, and one I'd only take if I were a believer in Dotson, because there are still guys like Moore they could use if they just need a body to try out.
Yeah, Pon's contract is actually paying him about a million bucks more than the salary sheets show. The league is paying the balance, and that's already factored into my original analysis. I agree that NYK could be persuaded to pay that money. My issue is more than I don't know if the Spurs should WANT to persuade them. In previous years, I'd totally consider second-rounders to be on the table. This is a very weird year in the West, though, when the team could fall as low as 14th in the conference without too much more going wrong. Sure, there'd be random East teams ahead of them still, but that works out to something like the 38th- or 39th-overall pick in the second round. That's really not far off from where the team has been picking in the first round recently.
I don't think NYK would be willing to let SA protect that pick. To a team as bad as the Knicks, 40th is just a normal second, so they aren't likely to share the Spurs' perspective that it's too good to give up. Someone, like NOP will be willing to give up a pick. I could see something more complicated where the Spurs get a future pick in the exchange or where the Toronto first goes out as part of a larger deal where the Spurs get more value. It's really just awkward regardless.
Another talented dude that was available when Drunkford was at the board. Shame we took White.
Dotson..........I don't think he ever got the dinosaur dna.
Good points.Yeah, Pon's contract is actually paying him about a million bucks more than the salary sheets show. The league is paying the balance, and that's already factored into my original analysis. I agree that NYK could be persuaded to pay that money. My issue is more than I don't know if the Spurs should WANT to persuade them. In previous years, I'd totally consider second-rounders to be on the table. This is a very weird year in the West, though, when the team could fall as low as 14th in the conference without too much more going wrong. Sure, there'd be random East teams ahead of them still, but that works out to something like the 38th- or 39th-overall pick in the second round. That's really not far off from where the team has been picking in the first round recently.
I don't think NYK would be willing to let SA protect that pick. To a team as bad as the Knicks, 40th is just a normal second, so they aren't likely to share the Spurs' perspective that it's too good to give up. Someone, like NOP will be willing to give up a pick. I could see something more complicated where the Spurs get a future pick in the exchange or where the Toronto first goes out as part of a larger deal where the Spurs get more value. It's really just awkward regardless.
DAF86 is right in that even in the late 30s/early 40s (I also always like the idea of having a pick in that range, because there's almost always still value to be had), you're unlikely to uncover a rotation caliber player, so if they view Dotson as that, then it could make sense.
On the other hand, even though there's a less than 1% chance of unearthing the next Ginobili, Jokic, etc., do you want to essentially throw that away a lottery ticket for a player who probably tops out as a poor man's Green? Or, as you said, throw away the possibility of packaging it with the Raptors 1st if a player they really like falls to the late 20s.
You generally don't give up legit 2nds for players like Dotson, but they're so bereft of 3 and D types (even with Walker returning, I doubt they want to count on a 20 year old rookie, who hasn't really played in a game since March and is coming off his 2nd torn meniscus) and any competent one could help swing some of these coin flip games, more for what they represent than their caliber.
This is why they should have had the sense to claim someone like Reed, when they Suns waived him.
Chinook makes some great points. Often, teams treat 2nd round picks as throw in’s (see CHI selling theirs to GS so that GS could get Bell despite no basketball reason for doing so on CHI’s part), but not the good teams.
These picks are valuable and not all teams are created equal; Spurs are excellent drafters.
The Spurs are excellent drafters, which is why DAF's suggestion that Doston is likely to be better than anyone the Spurs would draft with their second-rounder is unwarranted. Like sure, he's better than Blossomgame and DeShaun Thomas. But he's not better than any 20s or 30s or 40s player the Spurs after drafted in a long time outside of Livio or Ryan Richards. For as much as guys like Anderson and Joseph are getting, and for how many people soured on Blair, Bertans or White, they are/were all easily better players than Dotson has been. I've seen nobody suggest trading Metu for Dotson (and that would be a legal trade that could be done tonight), and Chim currently sits near the bottom of Spurs draft picks in that aforementioned range, only above those exceptions and James Anderson until/unless Metu can demonstrate otherwise.
Excellent drafters
AGain, people who cite livio and Anderson as draft failures....Injuries suck and aren't part of draft grading. Both were good to great picks. Fathead will almost certainly get a third contract even if he never learns to shoot. even mahini went on to have a long career....cojo, etc.
I'm just waiting until you randomly become an Anderson fan when hating him stops being edgy.
There's a difference between saying LJC was a draft failure and that he is not a very good player. He had upside that made his selection decent, and he may well have been a good or at least serviceable player had he been healthy. But he wasn't healthy, so he never got there as a player. Maybe you meant only to refer to TGY's trolling, but if you did mean me, I think you're off base. Moreover, I can't call either pick great without them having had some NBA success. Understandable? Yes. Picks that other teams may have wanted to make? Sure. Great? No. Jean-Charles never even played in the NBA for 's sake.
They should talk to Newman.Spurs interested in Dodson?
pre injury JC was a raw athlete and probably would not have worked out. But he wasn't the trash player most people talk about.
No team has done better than the spurs with late draft picks. Some teams have done good with late lottery picks and lottery picks. Of all the things to on about the spurs, don't use draft picking because compared to all other teams the spurs are clearly good drafters and adjust to their need. Prior to 2012 they were looking at role players because they had the big three. Now they are looking for stars and may get into late lottery picks consistently.
Injuries didn't derail Livio's career. He's just a bad basketball player. You can maybe make that argument for Anderson. He looked decent in the few games he played in his rookie season but Livio was never good. He had one fluke performance at the Nike Hoops Summit, which prompted the Spurs to draft him unfortunately.
This is true and was sort of the point I was making in post #14. I don't think DAF was pissing on PATFO either, though. I think he was just playing the odds that those picks don't often turn out to be very good. My critique was that in the Spurs' hands, they could well draft a legit player with their second-rounder. By and large, I think we all agree that PATFO can draft well. TGY is trolling, but he agrees too. There are times when he drops the act and shows he's a decent poster who knows what's going on with the team and can give them props for what they do well.
Eh, I think LJC would have been a pretty good player in today's league, especially if he learned to shoot. You're talking about a guy with a pretty similar physical profile to Pascal Siakam ( , Livio is only five months older than Pascal; god that dude was young). I don't think he would have developed as well, especially in 2013, but I do think he'd still be in the NBA had he not lost a chunk of his mobility. Shot-blockers who can switch everything and board are only becoming more valuable.
I do remember TGY trolling Kawhi calling him Shawn Marion...
Spurs picks since 2006:
2018 NBA 1 18 Lonnie Walker University of Miami
2018 NBA 2 49 Chimezie Metu University of Southern California
2017 NBA 1 29 Derrick White University of Colorado
2017 NBA 2 59 Jaron Blossomgame Clemson University
2016 NBA 1 29 Dejounte Murray University of Washington
2015 NBA 1 26 Nikola Milutinov Partizan Belgrade (Serbia)
2015 NBA 2 55 Cady Lalanne University of Massachusetts Amherst
2014 NBA 1 30 Kyle Anderson University of California, Los Angeles
2014 NBA 2 58 Jordan McRae University of Tennessee
2013 NBA 1 28 Livio Jean-Charles ASVEL Basket (France)
2013 NBA 2 58 Deshaun Thomas Ohio State University
2012 NBA 2 59 Marcus Denmon University of Missouri
2011 NBA 1 29 Cory Joseph University of Texas at Austin
2011 NBA 2 59 Adam Hanga Alba Fehérvár (Hungary)
2010 NBA 1 20 James Anderson Oklahoma State University
2010 NBA 2 49 Ryan Richards CB Gran Canaria (Spain)
2009 NBA 2 37 DeJuan Blair University of Pittsburgh
2009 NBA 2 51 Jack McClinton University of Miami
2009 NBA 2 53 Nando de Colo Cholet Basket (France)
2008 NBA 1 26 George Hill Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis
2008 NBA 2 45 Goran Dragic KK Union Olimpija (Slovenia)
2008 NBA 2 57 James Gist University of Maryland
2007 NBA 1 28 Tiago Splitter Saski Baskonia (Spain)
2007 NBA 2 33 Marcus Williams University of Arizona
2007 NBA 2 58 Giorgos Printezis Olympiacos BC (Greece)
2006 NBA 2 59 Damir Markota
Outside of Dragic, who never played for the spurs, there’s just no history to claim that the spurs would be successful or not in the 30-40 range. Yes, they’ve had success in the late 1st. But when Nando de ing Colo is your second round succes story, you can’t act like the spurs have some kind of storied success in the second.
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