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    LOL Ukraine admitting it had intelligence officers on board posing as sailors

    amateur hour


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    Yeah because Obama was helping to launder Russian money and was in love with Putin.
    So many signs of a closer relationship. Continue with your fairytale.
    We know that Obama curled up into a ball when Ukraine were invaded. Maybe that was part of his "flexibility".

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    Looks like the ukranian intelligence officers embedded in sailors are the ones who ignored Russian orders to stop thus causing this incident.



    Cant really blame Ruskies for protecting their 2 billion dollar bridge and lifeline tbqh

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    Atlantic Council’s advice to Ukraine: start a major war with Russia

    These ar the same idiots that police facebook and other social media now

    Warmonger de able clowns:
    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...should-be-done

    Even though Ukraine is outgunned, it does have options. It can undertake operations to break the blockade, though they would likely be fruitless given the forces Moscow has sent there.
    Nevertheless, it cannot accept this attack on its sovereignty and integrity passively. Ukraine should give careful consideration to a special operation that might disrupt the bridge that Moscow built over the Kerch Strait that joins Crimea to Russia.

    But that’s not all. Ukraine should invite the United States and NATO to send a fleet of armed ships to visit Mariupol, the main city on the Sea of Azov coast and defy Russia to fire on or block NATO from exercising the right to visit Ukraine’s ports. Those ships should be armed and have air cover but be instructed not to fire unless fired upon.

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    Poroshenko's intent was to provoke an incident that would allow him to present himself as a war-president. Elections are coming up and all polls show him below 10% and far behind two other candidates. He attempted to use the incident to introduce martial law over all the Ukraine.

    Martial law would give Poroshenko full control over the country. He would be able to remove any regional or local government, to shut down the political opposition and to censor the media. He would be able to postpone the upcoming elections indefinitely. He tried to scare the parliament into accepting that

    His plans were rejected. Poroshenko pulled back with his plan. Instead of the 60 day long, renewable period of martial law he wanted, he had to settle for 30 days. And that was still not enough, Parliament forced him to confirm elections in March which he had to do.


    There will now be a limited martial law but only in those regions that border Russia or the Black Sea. The opposition and its foreign backers will take care that its use will not get out of hand. There will be a limited call-up of reserve troops, but most of the reservists are to likely ignore it.

    With the election date set to March 31 by the parliament Poroshenko has no legal tool to postpone it.

    Even Poroshenko is not dumb enough to repeat his failed provocation in the Kerch Strait. The Kerch bridge is guarded. Its pillars are massive because it was build near a fault and has be able to withstand earthquakes. A saboteur unit would have to bring several tons of high explosives to even damage one. To reach Mariupol in the Sea of Azov ships have to cross through the the Kerch Strait. The passage is a very narrow artificial channel with only 8 meter depth. Outside of the channel the water is as shallow as a think tankers thought. Any ship with more than 2-3 meters draft has zero room to navigate there. Russia does not even need boats or airplanes to protect it. A few guns along the coast can easily control the passage. No sane naval commander will try to pass the Strait by force.


    Poroshenko could start a provocation elsewhere. He could attempt to reconquer the Donetzk airport. But while he might itch for losing more fights, a full blown war is out of question. Kiev's army is low on morale and would be defeated within days.

    Poroshenko's rule was catastrophic for the Ukraine. In several cities the central heating and warm water supply is broken. Ten-thousands will have to freeze during the winter, some of them to death. Since Poroshenko came to power millions of able Ukrainian workers have fled or work abroad, most of them to Russia. The most industrialized regions are in firmly in rebel hands. Most of the population is poor, the bureaucracy is utterly corrupt and the country is practically bankrupt.

    There will likely be dozens of corruption cases brought up against Poroshenko himself as soon as he loses power. If he is smart he will flee the Ukraine the very day his term ends.


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/1...iled.html#more

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    Pootin is bullying Ukraine, they way Trash bullies weaker groups like asylum seekers, BLM, Kaep, etc.
    Bullying?

    Ukranian vessels were bum rushing the straight and dangerously close to Russian 4 billion $ bridge. They ignored Russian orders to stop.

    can you explain how you conclude that is Russian bullying?

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    Atlantic Council’s advice to Ukraine: start a major war with Russia

    These ar the same idiots that police facebook and other social media now

    Warmonger de able clowns:
    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...should-be-done

    Even though Ukraine is outgunned, it does have options. It can undertake operations to break the blockade, though they would likely be fruitless given the forces Moscow has sent there.
    Nevertheless, it cannot accept this attack on its sovereignty and integrity passively. Ukraine should give careful consideration to a special operation that might disrupt the bridge that Moscow built over the Kerch Strait that joins Crimea to Russia.

    But that’s not all. Ukraine should invite the United States and NATO to send a fleet of armed ships to visit Mariupol, the main city on the Sea of Azov coast and defy Russia to fire on or block NATO from exercising the right to visit Ukraine’s ports. Those ships should be armed and have air cover but be instructed not to fire unless fired upon.
    Disgusting of facebook and other social media to join forces with these warmongers

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    A good opinion article on the current Mess.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/o...gtype=Homepage

    Good thing the Russian people are fairly tough, sanctions incoming.

    This sentence renders your article bull :

    Russia claimed they had crossed into Russian waters, but that is based on its illegal claim to Crimea, which it seized in 2014.

    Russia controls Crimea and its waterways like it or not. even if you choose to ignore the fact that Crimeans voted to join Russia.

    even if you ignore that fact you can compare it to Israel guarding the Golan. Illegal claim but who will blink if Israel obliterates a bum russhing Syrian convoy? Nobody

    lmao NY Times

    what a joke

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    Looks like warmongers and Poroshenko won something in the end. Looks like Putin Trump meeting in Buenos Aires is canceled

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    This sentence renders your article bull :

    Russia claimed they had crossed into Russian waters, but that is based on its illegal claim to Crimea, which it seized in 2014.

    Russia controls Crimea and its waterways like it or not. even if you choose to ignore the fact that Crimeans voted to join Russia.

    even if you ignore that fact you can compare it to Israel guarding the Golan. Illegal claim but who will blink if Israel obliterates a bum russhing Syrian convoy? Nobody

    lmao NY Times

    what a joke
    Bum rushing international waters... you are full of .

    The Ukrainians are no angels, but giving Putin your tongue down his throat is disgusting.
    Welcome to the hater RT world.

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    I love that soource.
    Pile oh crap

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    in2deep

    Yes you are.

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    Bum rushing international waters... you are full of .

    The Ukrainians are no angels, but giving Putin your tongue down his throat is disgusting.
    Welcome to the hater RT world.
    Except it not international waters

    the waters the ship enterd belong to Crimea

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    Except it not international waters

    the waters the ship enterd belong to Crimea
    Except they are and Ukrainian vessels have already been through there.

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    Except they are and Ukrainian vessels have already been through there.
    And?

    from BBC:

    The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) accused Ukraine of violating Article 19 and Article 21 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which " outline the right of a coastal state to provide maritime security ".

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    And?

    from BBC:

    The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) accused Ukraine of violating Article 19 and Article 21 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which " outline the right of a coastal state to provide maritime security ".
    What a joke.

    And what were they securing by ramming a tug boat?

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    Radio communications between the ukranian boats and Russian. With sub les


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