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    Life expectancy rises nearly everywhere in the world, US life expectancy drops for the second year in a row. Suicides and overdoses account for much of the drop.

    The US is 27th out of 34 industrialized countries, despite spending more on health care than any other country.

    Y'all tired of winning yet?

    http://www.healthdata.org/results/research-articles
    Yet conservatives will still proclaim that the US has the best healthcare in the world

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    Yet conservatives will still proclaim that the US has the best healthcare in the world

    Healthcare was better in the 90s than at anytime this century and it's even worse now. My wife's plan went from an awesome United program to a lousy AETNA program with super high deductibles due before any benefits and she works as a social director for a massive health care group here...but part of it is the company putting profits before employee well being, morale and loyalty.

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    Actually, I mean that it felt it was better back then. I know we were poor but not on Medicaid or Chip and we never had issues seeing a Dr., or had much out of pocket expense on my dad's HMO plan.

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    Actually, I mean that it felt it was better back then. I know we were poor but not on Medicaid or Chip and we never had issues seeing a Dr., or had much out of pocket expense on my dad's HMO plan.
    Yeah it's definitely gotten worse since then, I think that's at least partially because the 80s was the start of America's obesity epidemic after added sugar consumption flew through the roof. This is largely a hunch not based off any actual data, but it's just my opinion that the percentage of healthcare costs attributed to obesity/ ty diet is way understated, I think it's probably $1 out of every $3 spent on healthcare is caused by the people are eating if not more.

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    Yeah it's definitely gotten worse since then, I think that's at least partially because the 80s was the start of America's obesity epidemic after added sugar consumption flew through the roof. This is largely a hunch not based off any actual data, but it's just my opinion that the percentage of healthcare costs attributed to obesity/ ty diet is way understated, I think it's probably $1 out of every $3 spent on healthcare is caused by the people are eating if not more.

    I feel that. On another tangent related to this- the obesity issue isn't getting better. I cant think of a more disingenuous and dangerous movement than "body positivity" movement.

    There is nothing beautiful about fat people getting fatter and diseased and accepting their fat while forcing other people to accept it as "natural and beautiful" because "you're a terrible person if you call me a fatty".

    I've never seen such an enabling program to help expedite a god-awful disease while giving people zero accountability of what they're doing to themselves.

    Sorry to all the Bertha's out there, you're not "thick" or "voluptuous", you're factually obese and hence, you're diseased and killing yourself. Just because you attract horny men that will anything doesn't make that body type attractive-you're a beneficiary of a society with a massive sex drive.

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    I feel that. On another tangent related to this- the obesity issue isn't getting better. I cant think of a more disingenuous and dangerous movement than "body positivity" movement.

    There is nothing beautiful about fat people getting fatter and diseased and accepting their fat while forcing other people to accept it as "natural and beautiful" because "you're a terrible person if you call me a fatty".

    I've never seen such an enabling program to help expedite a god-awful disease while giving people zero accountability of what they're doing to themselves.

    Sorry to all the Bertha's out there, you're not "thick" or "voluptuous", you're factually obese and hence, you're diseased and killing yourself. Just because you attract horny men that will anything doesn't make that body type attractive-you're a beneficiary of a society with a massive sex drive.
    lmao and correct on every point.

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    I feel that. On another tangent related to this- the obesity issue isn't getting better. I cant think of a more disingenuous and dangerous movement than "body positivity" movement.

    There is nothing beautiful about fat people getting fatter and diseased and accepting their fat while forcing other people to accept it as "natural and beautiful" because "you're a terrible person if you call me a fatty".

    I've never seen such an enabling program to help expedite a god-awful disease while giving people zero accountability of what they're doing to themselves.

    Sorry to all the Bertha's out there, you're not "thick" or "voluptuous", you're factually obese and hence, you're diseased and killing yourself. Just because you attract horny men that will anything doesn't make that body type attractive-you're a beneficiary of a society with a massive sex drive.
    IMO the "fat acceptance" and "fat shaming" movements are both wrong in their own ways, but I'd probably give the edge to "fat acceptance" in terms of which one is more re ed. The fat acceptance movement is obviously wrong for the reasons you mentioned (it gives the impression that obesity is OK when it's a disease that'll at a minimum shorten your life), but I don't agree with the fat shaming idea that being fat is just a simple case of laziness and lack of personal accountability (i.e., it seems illogical to think the exponential uptick in obese 8-10 year olds is because 8-10 year olds had more personal accountability back in the 70s than they do now).

    I would treat obesity the same way this country treats drug addictions whereas I wouldn't necessarily shame them but there should be a clear message they have a problem that needs to be addressed and that they need to kick the addiction they have to a chemical compound (sugar) that's destroying their body.

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    IMO the "fat acceptance" and "fat shaming" movements are both wrong in their own ways, but I'd probably give the edge to "fat acceptance" in terms of which one is more re ed. The fat acceptance movement is obviously wrong for the reasons you mentioned (it gives the impression that obesity is OK when it's a disease that'll at a minimum shorten your life), but I don't agree with the fat shaming idea that being fat is just a simple case of laziness and lack of personal accountability (i.e., it seems illogical to think the exponential uptick in obese 8-10 year olds is because 8-10 year olds had more personal accountability back in the 70s than they do now).

    I would treat obesity the same way this country treats drug addictions whereas I wouldn't necessarily shame them but there should be a clear message they have a problem that needs to be addressed and that they need to kick the addiction they have to a chemical compound (sugar) that's destroying their body.

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    IMO the "fat acceptance" and "fat shaming" movements are both wrong in their own ways, but I'd probably give the edge to "fat acceptance" in terms of which one is more re ed. The fat acceptance movement is obviously wrong for the reasons you mentioned (it gives the impression that obesity is OK when it's a disease that'll at a minimum shorten your life), but I don't agree with the fat shaming idea that being fat is just a simple case of laziness and lack of personal accountability (i.e., it seems illogical to think the exponential uptick in obese 8-10 year olds is because 8-10 year olds had more personal accountability back in the 70s than they do now).

    I would treat obesity the same way this country treats drug addictions whereas I wouldn't necessarily shame them but there should be a clear message they have a problem that needs to be addressed and that they need to kick the addiction they have to a chemical compound (sugar) that's destroying their body.

    Very, very true. In the age of the single mother/father raising their children, the rise of eating out (because the parent is exhausted from work) has given way to the increased obesity numbers. But the counter side of that is, even back in the day, kids ate alot of bad food. Almost every mother had a can of Crisco in her kitchen and cooked everything in trans fats. Kids were downing sugary drinks en mass prior to the knowledge of what sugar did. The difference between the times? Technology.

    Kids just aren't as active. I don't have the exact figures, but I know little league sports participation is down and video game sales are extraordinary. Is that the kids fault for not being accountable? Absolutely not- it's the parents. You just don't see kids out playing like you did when we were younger. And I'm a 90s kid.

    Personal accountability will fall on the young adults who have no massive responsibilities like children and it's hard to play ignorance in the sense this generation is well educated on the evils of eating bad and this is also the generation that the "body positivity" movement encompasses. These people and the parents who can encourage and even force their children into more physical activity are the ones who need to accept their accountability.

    Obviously it goes without saying that my thoughts and feelings don't reflect those who do have an actual disease or impairment they can't help.

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    Our shop had our health assessment day recently where they do bp, test cholesterol, weight, height, glucose. I think that (by large) the health industry gives the wrong advice - they tell us to cut down on fats, eat more whole grain, they pass out a plate with quarter each protein, dairy, vegetables and fruit and a dot of fat in the middle (the fat dot was missing last year). They look at how many high fat servings I eat a day, look at my numbers and don't know what to say. I told her that she was telling everyone the wrong thing - if the aim is low cholesterol, fasting blood sugar in the 80s and bp under 120/80, she should be advising high fat, low carb diet. She can't argue my numbers. Ditto with my primary care when she hands over the stack of advice on what a diabetic should be eating with the bananas, oatmeal, whole wheat bread, etc and low fat.

    IMO, those NON-STICK pans plus advice to cut fats/eat more grains are some of the worse advice the health industry hands out.

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    Our shop had our health assessment day recently where they do bp, test cholesterol, weight, height, glucose. I think that (by large) the health industry gives the wrong advice - they tell us to cut down on fats, eat more whole grain, they pass out a plate with quarter each protein, dairy, vegetables and fruit and a dot of fat in the middle (the fat dot was missing last year). They look at how many high fat servings I eat a day, look at my numbers and don't know what to say. I told her that she was telling everyone the wrong thing - if the aim is low cholesterol, fasting blood sugar in the 80s and bp under 120/80, she should be advising high fat, low carb diet. She can't argue my numbers. Ditto with my primary care when she hands over the stack of advice on what a diabetic should be eating with the bananas, oatmeal, whole wheat bread, etc and low fat.

    IMO, those NON-STICK pans plus advice to cut fats/eat more grains are some of the worse advice the health industry hands out.
    I agree with everything here but it’s not simply an honest mistake the health industry is making, right around when the McGovern Report was being put together in the late 70s companies like General Mills saw an opportunity to hijack what are supposed to be neutral health studies so they can guide people to consuming more of their products. This is how you get bull health advice like the food pyramid, replacing butter with margarine, replace your bacon and eggs breakfast with corn flakes, etc.

    None of that is to take away from what you’re saying though. My typical breakfast is 4 eggs (with yokes) & 4 strips of bacon (important to not its uncured and has no sugar added), my lunch is a salad that’s loaded with avocado and I eat red meat 5+ times a week for dinner. All of that fat that’s supposedly bad and my blood pressure is 110/70 and my total cholesterol is 130.

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    I agree with everything here but it’s not simply an honest mistake the health industry is making, right around when the McGovern Report was being put together in the late 70s companies like General Mills saw an opportunity to hijack what are supposed to be neutral health studies so they can guide people to consuming more of their products. This is how you get bull health advice like the food pyramid, replacing butter with margarine, replace your bacon and eggs breakfast with corn flakes, etc.

    None of that is to take away from what you’re saying though. My typical breakfast is 4 eggs (with yokes) & 4 strips of bacon (important to not its uncured and has no sugar added), my lunch is a salad that’s loaded with avocado and I eat red meat 5+ times a week for dinner. All of that fat that’s supposedly bad and my blood pressure is 110/70 and my total cholesterol is 130.

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    Speaking of health - Direct Labs is having its December special - Comprehensive Wellness Profile for only $59.

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    Comprehensive Wellness Profile (CWP)-December Test of the Month
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    The CWP is the #1 ordered test - year after year! Over 50 individual laboratory tests screen for cardiovascular risk, major organ function, anemia, diabetes, infection, blood disease and other indications of illness.

    This panel is routinely ordered as a part of an annual exam. It includes:

    Tests Included:

    Lipids: This is a group of simple blood tests that reveal important information about the types, amount and distribution of the various types of fats (lipids) in the bloodstream. Includes Total Cholesterol, HDL (good) Cholesterol, LDL (bad) Cholesterol, Risk Ratio (good to total), and Triglycerides.

    Complete Blood Count(CBC's): It is a blood test that checks hemoglobin, hematocrit, red blood cells (RBC), white blood cells (WBC), and platelets. Used as a broad screening test to check for such disorders as anemia, infection, and many other diseases. Changing levels of red or white blood cells can indicate disease or infection and are very helpful in a health screening.

    Fluids and Electrolytes: Electrolytes are minerals in your body that have an electric charge. They are in your blood, urine and body fluids. Maintaining the right balance of electrolytes helps your body's blood chemistry, muscle action and other processes. Sodium, potassium, chlorine, and carbon dioxide are all electrolytes. You get them from the foods you eat and the fluids you drink.

    Levels of electrolytes in your body can become too low or too high. That can happen when the amount of water in your body changes, causing dehydration or overhydration. Causes include some medicines, vomiting, diarrhea, sweating or kidney problems. Problems most often occur with levels of sodium, potassium or calcium. It includes: Chloride, Potassium, Sodium and Carbon Dioxide.

    TSH: The thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) is produced in the pituitary gland and stimulates the production of thyroid hormones. The TSH helps identify an underactive or overactive thyroid state.

    Liver: The liver panel includes several blood tests measuring specific proteins and liver enzymes in the blood. This combination of blood tests is designed to give you a complete picture of the state of your liver and help detect liver disease and measure potential liver damage. Some of the blood tests are associated with the integrity of the liver cells (i.e. ALT), some with liver function (i.e. albumin) and some with disease linked to the biliary system (i.e. alkaline phosphatase). Includes: Albumin, Alkaline Phosphatase, Alanine Transaminase (ALT or SGPT), Aspartate Transaminase (AST or SGOT), Total Bilirubin, Total Protein, LDH, Total Globulin, Albumin/Globulin Ration and GGT.

    Kidney: This basic metabolic panel is a group of blood tests that provides information about your body’s metabolism. This test is done to evaluate kidney function, blood acid/base balance, blood sugar levels. It includes Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN), Creatinine, BUN/Creatinine Ratio, eGFR, and Uric Acid.

    Glucose Changes in blood glucose are a good indicator of metabolic function and can help detect diseases like diabetes mellitus. Since diabetes is the most common cause of kidney disease in adults, it is important to monitor for this disorder when evaluating kidney function.

    Mineral and Bone: In addition to its mechanical functions, the bone is a reservoir for minerals (a "metabolic" function). The bone stores 99% of the body's calcium and 85% of the phosphorus. It is very important to keep the blood level of calcium within a narrow range. If blood calcium gets too high or too low, the muscles and nerves will not function. In times of need, for example, during pregnancy, calcium can be removed from the bones. It includes: Total Iron, Calcium, and Phosphorus.

    Note: Result turnaround times are an estimate and are not guaranteed. Our reference lab may need additional time due to weather, holidays, confirmation/repeat testing, or equipment maintenance.

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    I hope that wasn't against board rules - just trying to help out those without insurance.

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    Chris is an American reject:

    Trump is damned (by the media) if he shakes hands (can you imagine if he shook Putin's hand) or if he doesn't. Who is this Molly person - THIS American reject (who has gone to a Trump rally) would like to share some thoughts with her.

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    Agreed

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