Jared Zwerling: Source close to Leonard says he's worried about roster and future

[Leetonidas]

I lurked for several years - mostly to gather real news, statistical takes and insight from guys who are no longer here. A guy named Bruce comes to mind... A few others. Tbh, since the Bad Site scare, this place has really shrunk.

Bruno tbh. Wonder whatever happened to that Frenchie. Hopefully he didn't get mowed down by a terrorist

[sasaint]

Bruno tbh. Wonder whatever happened to that Frenchie. Hopefully he didn't get mowed down by a terrorist

Bruno! That was the name. Thanks!

[tholdren]

Kl can leave if hes unhappy.

[MultiTroll]

Kl can leave if hes unhappy.

Pop, His Yes Men, Buford, Mills and Gasol can leave if they are unhappy.

[objective]

I don't have much hope for the front office.

I doubt they could muster the sober reflection needed to succeed.

Worse, even if they did come to their senses, the damage is done. They can't undo that. At best, they could burn more assets to dump the toxic ones, but the cure might kill the patient anyway.

Everything they did wrong was written about accurately in forewarning by so many posters here that it's mind boggling.

They did so much wrong I just don't think the front office is still capable of telling good deals from bad. This wasn't one single contract that was wrong, or over optimistic faith in one player being healthy against history to the contrary.

There were massive, reckless mistakes at every aspect that the front office took on:

When gauging the free agent market for players like Mills

When gauging the impact of their deals on the cap of future deals

When gauging the talent and impact of Mills

Misusing the asset of restricted free agency for Simmons.

When they approached the draft like they weren't going to re-sign Mills

When gauging the status of Milutinov going back to his draft, and wasting the best part of a late first round pick: a very cheap player under team control for at least 4 seasons

When scouting the free agent market for bigs and somehow finding Joffrey as a credible NBA player and not the worst rim defender in NBA history

Giving a player option to that terrible rim defender.

Everything they touch, scouting, the lay of the land, free agency, understanding their own coach's predilections, cap management, asset management, the draft, foresight, everything.

For that much to get wrong, I don't know if there's any coming back.

I think I know for sure now there's no coming back. Signing Marco, giving away Green and paying for the privilege of doing so, not getting back OG or Siakam, signing 30+ year old tweener scrubs to be the small forward ...

RIP front office

Kawhi may be a devious underhanded quitter, but if he was worried about the roster management going forward he's only been proven right

[phxspurfan]

Holy fluffers got wrecked, absolutely destroyed in this thread... from denying Kawhi would ever want to leave, to denying the roster was made up of ass players. Great bump



There's always one golden rule about being on top. Only the paranoid survive. Spurs were complacent with Kawhi, like they were with TD/Manu/Tony between '08-'12, and went into the Holting Pattern (tm). This time it came back to bite them in the ass as Kawhi was more of a typical star rather than a super loyal dude, and told it to them straight, as much as he could (since he's a mute mfer he did it though His Camp). But he turned out to be right, the roster after TD retired was constructed by ing Stevie Wonder.

[JakeCuenca]

Wow The Great escape.

Someone should develop a video game around Kawhi Leonard trying to escape San Antonio.

Like a stealth game. Press X to hide in the lockeroom closet against suspecting spurs stuff. Press triangle to fake an injury and press Square to call for Uncle Dennis to help you out.

[objective]

No medical staff in the world could make Pau and Mills worth their contract

[phxspurfan]

I would just like to point out that Phoenix the team and the city/area is a Mecca of Sports Medicine. Seems like it would be easy to hire some guys from there to work for you. Didn't the Sun's medical Staff help a broken Nash win two consecutive MVP or get a Run Down Shaq playing at the highest level before he fell off the cliff? All about Priorities.

I used to live there. The extreme desert heat actually makes people more fit/athletic too. Kind of like how the al ude in Utah and Denver give those guys good wind and natural home court advantage.


Maybe similar to how the extreme cold in places like Lambeau field/Chicago makes some people pretty ty football players

[TDomination]

Holy fluffers got wrecked, absolutely destroyed in this thread... from denying Kawhi would ever want to leave, to denying the roster was made up of ass players. Great bump



There's always one golden rule about being on top. Only the paranoid survive. Spurs were complacent with Kawhi, like they were with TD/Manu/Tony between '08-'12, and went into the Holting Pattern (tm). This time it came back to bite them in the ass as Kawhi was more of a typical star rather than a super loyal dude, and told it to them straight, as much as he could (since he's a mute mfer he did it though His Camp). But he turned out to be right, the roster after TD retired was constructed by ing Stevie Wonder.

This thread is incredible. I was always optimistic about patfo and kawhi but man a lot of "negative" post seem to be right on the money.

But there is one thing I still don't understand. We all know kawhi wanted to go to LA. He would've NEVER chosen the raptors. Both clippers and Lakers are not the best constructed teams. If Kawhi truly was all about championships, he would've asked to be traded for teams like celtics, raptors, thunder, maybe jazz, Portland, 76ers. But it was always about going to LA. And with all the rumors and speculation during the summer, never did I hear that kawhi planned to go to la with lebron. In fact the only thing I did hear is that after lebron signed in laker land, kawhi prefers the clippers.

So anyways, obviously kawhi wanted out of here. Misdiagnosis and all that But roster reasons doesnt seem to be high on the list of why he wanted out.

Otherwise why ask for LA and only LA? Maybe cause his uncle wants him there?

[phxspurfan]

This thread is incredible. I was always optimistic about patfo and kawhi but man a lot of "negative" post seem to be right on the money.

But there is one thing I still don't understand. We all know kawhi wanted to go to LA. He would've NEVER chosen the raptors. Both clippers and Lakers are not the best constructed teams. If Kawhi truly was all about championships, he would've asked to be traded for teams like celtics, raptors, thunder, maybe jazz, Portland, 76ers. But it was always about going to LA. And with all the rumors and speculation during the summer, never did I hear that kawhi planned to go to la with lebron. In fact the only thing I did hear is that after lebron signed in laker land, kawhi prefers the clippers.

So anyways, obviously kawhi wanted out of here. Misdiagnosis and all that But roster reasons doesnt seem to be high on the list of why he wanted out.

Otherwise why ask for LA and only LA? Maybe cause his uncle wants him there?

Kawhi's uncle wanted LA my dude. Kawhi just wants to be happy. But when you're a 27 year old coddled millionaire or whatever requirements for happy changes daily

[313]

my sources tell me the patty mills contract was the last straw for kawhi...

[TDomination]

Kawhi's uncle wanted LA my dude. Kawhi just wants to be happy. But when you're a 27 year old coddled millionaire or whatever requirements for happy changes daily

Exactly, which pretty much negates the roster construction issue being a main reason for kawhi leaving.

Uncle wanted Kawhi in la for a while already and used the misdiagnosis as leverage to show Kawhi they need to leave but we need to go to Los Angeles. And kawhi loves being at home so he agreed.

Although our roster construction is horrible, kawhi did not leave because of that. Other familial factors came into play.

[TimDunkem]

How about this roster now, fluffers? Looks like us "fake fans" where right. Who knows if and how much an issue this was, but Kawhi made the right decision to leave while he could. Who the would want to carry a team with Bryn Forbes, Rudy Gay, Patty Mills, and Pau Gasol? A team where, if you take too many shots, LMA will be upset.

I knew it. I ing knew our championship days were over when Woj dropped the news about Mills new contract.

[RD2191]

Our players are too old!

Our young players are bad!

Kawhi has no help

I'm done trying to get into facts, because you guys clearly aren't living in reality.

For all your ing and moaning, the Spurs have been a top 4 team in the league the past 5 years.

If that's not good enough for you, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Just don't come around acting like you are fans when the Spurs are making another deep playoff run with this "old" team.

I hear they are still accepting applications on the Warriors bandwagon...

Crofl. got.

[RD2191]

There's a difference between foreseeing trouble in paradise, and trolling in every thread to just be the rain over everyone's parade.

Obviously, things aren't like they were when we had a prime Tim Duncan and All-Star Tony and Manu. We all ing get it.

I can't say that every move the team has made in the last 4 years has been perfect, but neither has any team's...save maybe the Warriors'. To Golden State's credit, they have built an amazingly formidable force, through the draft, trade, and FA...but even that was 8 years in the making and took a few strokes of luck, just like the Spurs had in the early 2000s.

That being said, we still have the same FO that brought Kawhi here, and the same FO that beat Lebron's super team in 2014. To act like this team is dwelling in the cellar, or even in the purgatory of the mid-NBA, is asinine. They were one Ray Allen three from winning in 2013. They were a couple injuries away from seriously challenging those "unbeatable" Warriors last season.

For all the moves that Houston, Cleveland, and OKC made...they are still trying to get into the Spurs position, even with all our so-called "old" and "crappy" players. Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but I refuse to buy into the doom and gloom that some of the "fans" around here seem to subscribe to.

That all may sound like hyperbole right now....but come at me at the end of the season if you really think I'm wrong. This team will be challenging for a championship when all is said and done, and that's all anybody can ask for.

Retire, bum. Worst poster in this site.

[RD2191]

Sorry, but I still think the whole situation is way too ambiguous to legitimately say PATFO ed up.

It's a ty situation for everybody. It sucks for Kawhi, it sucks for the Spurs, it sucks for the fans. Everyone wants Kawhi to come back, but I don't see why suddenly everybody wants to point fingers.

Check back with me in a year...after Kawhi has been extended and is still a Spur for life.

[NASpurs]

This thread is fun too.

Ok fixed: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=275877

[timtonymanu]

Lmao this team was getting swept by the Suns and losing to 8th seeds until this guy came in and carried the FO



Thank god the Raptors drafted Valenciunas when they did or he would've been our franchise player.

Now they have both lmao

[r0drig0lac]

No medical staff in the world could make Pau and Mills worth their contract

tbh tbh tbh tbh

This thread is incredible. I was always optimistic about patfo and kawhi but man a lot of "negative" post seem to be right on the money.

But there is one thing I still don't understand. We all know kawhi wanted to go to LA. He would've NEVER chosen the raptors. Both clippers and Lakers are not the best constructed teams. If Kawhi truly was all about championships, he would've asked to be traded for teams like celtics, raptors, thunder, maybe jazz, Portland, 76ers. But it was always about going to LA. And with all the rumors and speculation during the summer, never did I hear that kawhi planned to go to la with lebron. In fact the only thing I did hear is that after lebron signed in laker land, kawhi prefers the clippers.

So anyways, obviously kawhi wanted out of here. Misdiagnosis and all that But roster reasons doesnt seem to be high on the list of why he wanted out.

Otherwise why ask for LA and only LA? Maybe cause his uncle wants him there?

the reality is that Kawhi did not want to be a spur (maybe because of Aldridge, Parker, front office, idk), he did not want to be here, simple like that, but he just wanted to be out of here, watching the raptors he looks more like a guy in the crowd and not that guy who was tense and serious every moment that was visualized in the bank

[TheGreatYacht]

Now they have both lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

to be fair, this team might've been better if Uncle Dennis took over as a GM

[james evans]

I told y’all this summer that Kawhi was smarter than we thought he was. He saw Popovich not giving a damn about winning les and just wanting to keep his playoff streak alive and bounced. Smart man

[therealtruth]

Kawhi would have stayed if Pop was willing to change and not be so stubborn and dictatorial.

[Mugen]

Really a great call by Kawhi and Dennis about how terrible the roster/FO was....

The only misstep so far was not playing it nice and getting the supermax before demanding out, but I guess he wanted to win now. Great move for them to leave this sinking ship.