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Tired of getting old broke down es Not No But No!!

We need a house cleaning party and to do that we have to be in the lottery to get a reall starter WHO can actually play offense and defense. So right off the bat we can have a good KY replacement. That will leave us with late first and a high second pick which we can use up to maybe move up in draft or help with a trade.

[TD 21]

/A good question is, if you have Ariza, what playing time is Bertans going to get? He might want to get the heck out of dodge I am thinking. You know Pop is not going to cut minutes to his legion of guards. If there is a SF incoming it's like Bertans minutes are getting cut. Just a though. Still I am not sure on this, I'd give Davis a few more games to see if he is working out in the SL for real b4 pulling the trigger on something like this. I haven't watched Ariza but playing in an awful team, PJ Tucker looked pretty miserable in the Suns too.

I don't see it, but to answer your question: Hypothetically, acquiring Ariza while retaining Bertans = Cunningham being excised from the rotation and some combination of Gay, Belinelli, Bertans playing slightly less.

No matter how well the team functions or he plays offensively, Bertans isn't a long term answer in the starting lineup any more than Forbes is.

The question is, do they plan on his being a rotational staple altogether long term? If they do, it's debatable. If not, it's a no brainer.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Obviously Mills for Ariza would be ideal, but the Spurs wouldn't do it. The Suns might, but would probably want a minor asset attached.

Bertans, Belinelli and Pondexter works. Already loaded with youth, in desperate need of 3-point shooting and basically done with Anderson already, the Suns might do this, with the idea being Bertans would be more valuable than something like a 2nd round pick or two.

Unless Pop actually plans to give Bertans a consistent role going forward (doubtful), Spurs might have interest too. Sign Babbitt as a replacement . . .

Starters: Gay, Ariza, Aldridge, DeRozan, Forbes
Bench: Mills, Gasol, White, Cunningham, Babbitt, Poeltl, Walker
Deep bench/G-League/inactive: Metu, Moore, Eubanks, Murray

Spurs can get something better than Ariza in return from another team with those players, Ariza sucks.

[RC_Drunkford]

Trading 3 players for Ariza would make this team even less deep, so no.

Trading Mills for Ariza is what has to happen. Not only would Ariza be the 2nd best forward and 2nd best defender on the roster, but he's an expiring. Moving Mills is essential to improving the roster in the offseason. If they don't move him we can basically forget to sign anybody worth more than a 10 million per year salary. That alone should be a no brainer. Mills gone and Gasol contract frees up about 27 million for next offseason. Of course they shouldn't resign Ariza unless it's for dead cheap (5 Mill)

Another reason why you do this trade is cause now they could start White and move Forbes to the bench. No more Pop avoiding to play 2 midgets together since he would only have one left.

White/DeRozan/Ariza/Gay/Aldridge would actually be decent on defense

Forbes/Walker/Cunningham/Bertans/Poeltl would also be decent on defense


and Pop definitely doesn't make that trade

[SAGirl]

I don't see it, but to answer your question: Hypothetically, acquiring Ariza while retaining Bertans = Cunningham being excised from the rotation and some combination of Gay, Belinelli, Bertans playing slightly less.

No matter how well the team functions or he plays offensively, Bertans isn't a long term answer in the starting lineup any more than Forbes is.

The question is, do they plan on his being a rotational staple altogether long term? If they do, it's debatable. If not, it's a no brainer.

What would be your trade then? Bc frankly, I don't see Mills getting traded, Pop likely feels he's crucial to the team and he's only got one PG otherwise this season and he's a practical rook (White).

thanks for answering the initial question.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Ariza would give us 3 pointers WITH defense. Funny concept, huh?

Ariza sucks, he's one of the reasons Houston didn't advance in the playoffs. I wouldn't trade Bertans straight up for him.

[SAGirl]

Trading 3 players for Ariza would make this team even less deep, so no.

Trading Mills for Ariza is what has to happen. Not only would Ariza be the 2nd best forward and 2nd best defender on the roster, but he's an expiring. Moving Mills is essential to improving the roster in the offseason. If they don't move him we can basically forget to sign anybody worth more than a 10 million per year salary. That alone should be a no brainer. Mills gone and Gasol contract frees up about 27 million for next offseason.

Another reason why you do this trade is cause now they could start White and move Forbes to the bench. No more Pop avoiding to play 2 midgets together since he would only have one left.

White/DeRozan/Ariza/Gay/Aldridge would actually be decent on defense

Forbes/Walker/Cunningham/Bertans/Poeltl would also be decent on defense


and Pop definitely doesn't make that trade

It makes sense. Too much sense. I'd have to say though, that I think Mills with all his limitations is probably still a better player than Forbes... but the difference is so marginal that it doesn't cost 9 millions difference between them.

[SAGirl]

Ariza sucks, he's one of the reasons Houston didn't advance in the playoffs. I wouldn't trade Bertans straight up for him.

I am not a champion for Ariza tbh, but there were many reasons Houston didn't advance, there's many reasons the Spurs didn't advance either. Bertans also played in the playoffs last year.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Just draft a SF in June. That's the better answer then all this trading for crap players. The year was lost anyways when Muray went down

[KimmyGib]

Acquiring Ariza could likely be the difference between making the playoffs or not. He may be getting old but he's still exactly the type of player this current team desperately needs. Still, is another early playoff exit the way to go? I'd say no, unless the priority is not allowing Pop to look bad before he hangs it up.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just draft a SF in June. That's the better answer then all this trading for crap players. The year was lost anyways when Muray went down

how about drafting one and being able to sign another one with cap space? Wouldn't that be even better? It's not like we are loaded with 3-and-D wings

[TD 21]

Bertans is the only one with value. Like I said, it just comes down to what they see his role being long term.

Dumping Belinelli would be addition by subtraction and replacing his minutes with a combination of Babbitt/Walker would be fine.

Pondexter is irrelevant. Sign a young PG to fill his spot.

They're likely going to end up chasing the Carroll's and Ariza's of the world in the off season anyway, offering the MLE. Outside of that and draft picks, the roster is mostly set.

What would be your trade then? Bc frankly, I don't see Mills getting traded, Pop likely feels he's crucial to the team and he's only got one PG otherwise this season and he's a practical rook (White).

thanks for answering the initial question.

Mills, of course. But they wouldn't.

No problem.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Nobody is getting traded. Pop is still hasn't even figured out his line ups and Aldridge is still learning how to play with DeRozan. They ain't going to trade for someone right now and throw him in the starting line up.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

how about drafting one and being able to sign another one with cap space? Wouldn't that be even better? It's not like we are loaded with 3-and-D wings

I do like that idea better but I just dont like the names anyone is bringing up. Last time I saw ariza he set an NBA record for most 3 pointers missed without a make so that may be clouding my judgement tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

I do like that idea better but I just dont like the names anyone is bringing up. Last time I saw ariza he set an NBA record for most 3 pointers missed without a make so that may be clouding my judgement tbh.

He's still better than Dante Cunningham and Cunningham is getting valuable rotation minutes. I'm not saying resign him. But with the Mills salary gone they can easily sign Danny Green back or go after somebody younger. Bring in a quality role player for 15-20 million.

[RC_Drunkford]

this is the ideal scenario to me. You move Mills, draft a SF, sign another 3-and-D wing with cap space and try to get Stanley Johnson with one of the exceptions. That would give you 4 good forwards + Ben Moore

[TD 21]

Nobody is getting traded. Pop is still hasn't even figured out his line ups and Aldridge is still learning how to play with DeRozan. They ain't going to trade for someone right now and throw him in the starting line up.

There's nothing to figure out. The roster makes no sense any way you slice it. 3 and D wings, especially veteran ones, are the easiest players to incorporate.

This probably won't happen because any trade is unlikely, but it's realistic enough to think it's possible. If not it, something has to give. They can't seriously think they can maintain this roster throughout the season and remain compe ive.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

I am not a champion for Ariza tbh, but there were many reasons Houston didn't advance, there's many reasons the Spurs didn't advance either. Bertans also played in the playoffs last year.

Yeah, but how long has Ariza been the starting SF for Houston? And I didn't say he was the reason but one of the reasons. At this point in their careers Bertans has more up side.

[r0drig0lac]

how about drafting one and being able to sign another one with cap space? Wouldn't that be even better? It's not like we are loaded with 3-and-D wings

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[tbdog]

Ariza would give us 3 pointers WITH defense. Funny concept, huh?

35% on threes compared to 44%, 42% and 32%. And it's not like Ariza is a great defender anymore. And it's not like Ariza can create a 3 by himself.

[mexicanjunior]

Why would he come here?

[DAF86]

Why would he come here?

Because he has no say on where the Suns trade him.

[99 Problems]

No need chums. Down at the gas station I heard getting Captain Jack and Worldpeace.

[duncan2k5]

If we want to make the most out of LMA and DeRozan and actually be respectable contenders, I'd rather have Ariza over Bertans, tbh. He still plays better defense than most players on our team.

Contenders? For what???? Lmfao!!!

[james evans]

Ariza for Mills is a no brainer for the Spurs if the Suns accept. In paper, it should make the team better now by finally getting that 3 and D guy we are so desperate for. And even if it doesn't pan out, we would be turning Mills' contract into 15 expiring millions.

I really, really, really, really wish I could say that PATFO would do it if they have the chance, but I doubt it. They will probably stick with their re ed "loyalty" bull .

Popovich wouldn’t trade Mills for Durant. He’s a lifer.