Lowe: Spurs were actively trying to get off Green's salary in trade

[gospursgojas]

Danny Green was the most ted on spur on this forum last season. Now everyone crying over losing him. Lol ST

[MoSpur02]

Here comes a PATFO fluffer now.

Not really. I disagree with a lot of decisions they've made, but I'm not delusional. Lowe is not very reliable and more an opinionated when he writes or talks. Kawhi put the Spurs in a terrible position. The Spurs were not going to get back equal value for Kawhi. Don't kid yourself. Spurs fans would've found something to complain about if the Spurs would've trades with Boston, Philly, L.A, Toronto, Sacramento, Phoenix, or any other team.

They were never going to come out as winners concerning a Kawhi Leonard trade.

[RC_Drunkford]

losing green sucked but lets not pretend like he was some lights out 3 point shooter since 2014. dude lost his shot yrs ago and was a negative on offense imo. i liked green but i couldn't figure out why he was in such a slump for so damn long.

He was in a slump cause he used to get most of his shots wide open off prime Tony Parker dribble penetration and ball movement. With LA post ups and no guards who can break down the defense he didn't get too many open shots and most of the time bricked the ones who were wide open. It was clear as day that you need a SG who can put the ball on the floor on the left side of the court when LA passes the ball back out and that ain't Danny's strength

[RC_Drunkford]

writing has been on the wall since the 50 mills midnight signing tbh

that was the 2017 offseason. That's what I meant by that. Including the Pau Gasol loyalty contract

[Chucho]

What a smart FO would have done is keep Kawhi and force him to play to up his trade value. And before you come back with the typical, ignorant "Kawhi would have just sat out for the season" response, let me tell you that if he did that he would have been contractually forced to stay in SA for one more year. So no, he wouldn't have sat out.



Again, it doesn't matter what folks said here. Danny Green is a desirable piece around the NBA. And that statement about him "not moving the needle" is total BS. A Danny Green type player is exactly what this current Spurs team needs. We are so desperate for a 3 and D player that we even started Cunningham for most of the season. And you are here trying to tell me that Danny Green wouldn't move the needle?



No, there were many different routes to choose that would have us on a much better position right now, PATFO just chose one of the worst ones. And nobody can say that this is hindsight, because most of us ed about the trade as soon as it was anounced.

ST pipedream GMing at its finest. The dude spent a whole season lying about and faking an injury. It could have been bad like when Vince Carter was forcing his way out of Toronto- dude screamed the play they were running after a time out and you're so full of yourself that you really believe a "smart GM" or coach or whatever is going to "force" a player to give 100% so we can "maximize" his trade value. He quit on us and a stupid GM would think they can strong arm a star into doing something they dont want to do in a star- ran league. This isnt the NFL. Melo and AI weren't coming off no bench, you think Fake McInjury was trustworthy enough to be professional and do his job?
This is why your a ST GM and not paid for your takes.

And you being one of the folks here, you have zero idea how desirable DG is around the league. His skills are desirable -3pt shooting and D, but you and the other ST GMs pointed out the obvious- his skillset greatly declined the last three seasons and you and other ST GMs dropped trou and chunked massive dueces all over him per ST GM par.

Now, you're not paid to do anything, you're saying things with zero evidence and you're naive to think a liar who has shown he doesnt mind taking financial hits could be strong armed into giving 100% to a dysfunctional relationship when there is almost zero precedent of that. Butler followed Kawhi's template and look at the damage he did to the Wolves locker room. Smart GMs dont let that happen.

In a perfect world, your scenario works and DG is a desirable player but its not a perfect world and you have zero facts to substantiate your claim. Nobody was knocking our doors down for DG at anytime prior to us moving him and disgruntled players never work out well for teams trying to "maximize their trade value".

Sorry pal, your arrogant to think your opinion and take is accurate when it's pure conjecture base on zero evidence and precedents. It sounds more like you're just trying to justify your incessant whining per ST GM par.

[DAF86]

ST pipedream GMing at its finest. The dude spent a whole season lying about and faking an injury. It could have been bad like when Vince Carter was forcing his way out of Toronto- dude screamed the play they were running after a time out and you're so full of yourself that you really believe a "smart GM" or coach or whatever is going to "force" a player to give 100% so we can "maximize" his trade value. He quit on us and a stupid GM would think they can strong arm a star into doing something they dont want to do in a star- ran league. This isnt the NFL. Melo and AI weren't coming off no bench, you think Fake McInjury was trustworthy enough to be professional and do his job?
This is why your a ST GM and not paid for your takes.

And you being one of the folks here, you have zero idea how desirable DG is around the league. His skills are desirable -3pt shooting and D, but you and the other ST GMs pointed out the obvious- his skillset greatly declined the last three seasons and you and other ST GMs dropped trou and chunked massive dueces all over him per ST GM par.

Now, you're not paid to do anything, you're saying things with zero evidence and you're naive to think a liar who has shown he doesnt mind taking financial hits could be strong armed into giving 100% to a dysfunctional relationship when there is almost zero precedent of that. Butler followed Kawhi's template and look at the damage he did to the Wolves locker room. Smart GMs dont let that happen.

In a perfect world, your scenario works and DG is a desirable player but its not a perfect world and you have zero facts to substantiate your claim. Nobody was knocking our doors down for DG at anytime prior to us moving him and disgruntled players never work out well for teams trying to "maximize their trade value".

Sorry pal, your arrogant to think your opinion and take is accurate when it's pure conjecture base on zero evidence and precedents. It sounds more like you're just trying to justify your incessant whining per ST GM par.

Nevermind the re ed you said here, I just wanted to tell you that you don't need to log out and log in between accounts. You can post all this from your DMC account, tbh.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Just more proof of Pop's early onset dementia and RC Drunkford's all day-all night drunk fest. These two just don't make many, if any, good decisions anymore. How in the world does any NBA team loose by 30+ points so many times this early in the season like the Spurs keep doing? There is something seriously wrong with this team that goes beyond just having a bad defense. Surely a sane coach Pop could see into the future that giving up KaWhitter and Green would kill us defensively. Then we lose SloMo who also got us blocks, steals and rebounds. To keep Mills over Green was a suicidal move on Pop's part. RCD also, except RCD is nothing more than Pop's water boy. This team needs a major makeover but, who in the NBA wants anyone on the Spurs lackluster roster? DeMar DeRozan, Lonnie Walker iV and Dejounte Murray are about the only players another team would seriously be interested in. And maybe if some team is hard up enough they might be slightly interested in LMA. In other words we are screwed.

[tmtcsc]

They wanted him gone for a while and was always the most logical piece to move. He went from a good defender to a decent defender but was always an offensive liability. He's in a better position now because he's NOT relied upon to score. Ironically, he's probably scoring more because he doesn't feel the pressure to do so. Meh, I don't miss him. IF he was still here he'd be getting all sorts of thrown on him for being worthless. You know who you are.

[K...]

Danny Green is a ing end of career role player.....he had a player option and the spurs could not depend on him to remain with the team and did not want to pay his salary when murray became the focus. When Danny opted in it screwed the spurs as they had already had penciled him out. Y'all wait to see what Danny gets on his final contract and ask if you want the spurs to pay that. Everyone es about contract year danny, we had that, he had a player option and could not beat the opt in contract amount because of his injury and the poor market.


Don't act like Danny wasn't going to leave when every he got his last big contract and dont act like the spurs would pay it. Thank you danny but you are to $$$$ for what you'd give the team. End of story.

[Play Boban]

I’ll never forgive Danny for partying with LeBron after getting whipped and choking in the Finals tbh.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

This is pretty disappointing and shocking. But Mills and his deal are okay? I dislike Mills more everyday.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

They are honestly a bottom 5 FO right now. We are the new Sacramento Kings

And Kawhi was smart to leave. As much as it hurts to admit

[tbdog]

I remember people wanted Green way off this team the last two season. And now front office has gone mental? Double standards people.

[JeffDuncan]

I'm not really sorry Danny is playing elsewhere. What I'm sorry about is the total lack of a replacement.

[YGWHI]

Not really. I disagree with a lot of decisions they've made, but I'm not delusional. Lowe is not very reliable and more an opinionated whenhe writes or talks. Kawhi put the Spurs in a terrible position. The Spurs were not going to get back equal value for Kawhi. Don't kid yourself. Spurs fans would've found something to complain about if the Spurs would've trades with Boston, Philly, L.A, Toronto, Sacramento, Phoenix, or any other team.

They were never going to come out as winners concerning a Kawhi Leonard trade.

If they know that, if they know that anye trade would keep the Spurs compe ive, why the they didn't give him that f*cking super-max contract instead of ..."well your injury is chronic...what's about a bit less than the supermax...what's about $180"???

Two or three years of Kawhi at this MVP level leading the team to #1/2 in the West, would pay off that DPE.

Who cares about the last two years of the contract since one of them would have been an option.

His uncle was hard to deal with...? So what?? Every player has a greedy agent/fam. Just learn to live with it like Kerr did. No more Pop's "MY WAY. THE SPURS WAY. MY TEAM" Times have changed. The league and players have changed but the PATFO couldn't read it.

Not giving Kawhi the supermax was the biggest mistake in Spurs' history.

[bic50]

I remember people wanted Green way off this team the last two season. And now front office has gone mental? Double standards people.

Don't know what you have until its gone

[lmbebo]

If they know that, if they know that anye trade would keep the Spurs compe ive, why the they didn't give him that f*cking super-max contract instead of ..."well your injury is chronic...what's about a bit less than the supermax...what's about $180"???

Two or three years of Kawhi at this MVP level leading the team to #1/2 in the West, would pay off that DPE.

Who cares about the last two years of the contract since one of them would have been an option.

His uncle was hard to deal with...? So what?? Every player has a greedy agent/fam. Just learn to live with it like Kerr did. No more Pop's "MY WAY. THE SPURS WAY. MY TEAM" Times have changed. The league and players have changed but the PATFO couldn't read it.

Not giving Kawhi the supermax was the biggest mistake in Spurs' history.

Money wasn't going to solve the problems with quitter. Supermax was his had not pulled the crap he did. Him and his "team" doing what they did caused the spurs to get hesitant on giving the supermax. Spurs maybe could have been better, but don't pretend that this is all our fault ...

[HarlemHeat37]

Green's time with the Spurs was up, why are people acting like 95% of this forum hadn't turned on him?

Whether it was due to Aldridge-ball, Parker's decline, needing a change of scenery, contract year, whatever it was, he's back to being the old Danny Green in Toronto after struggling with the Spurs for 2 of his last 3 seasons with the team..I don't see any reason to believe that he would be playing the same way with SA as he is in Toronto..

However, it's certainly true that Pop was always much harder on him than Patty or Belinelli + the rumors of trying to move him were prevalent for 2 years or so IIRC..

[HarlemHeat37]

It was interesting to hear Green say he's playing better because he feels more "free" in Toronto, though..whether that means not getting berated by Pop or playing in a non-Aldridge black hole system, who knows..

[Hoops Czar]

It was interesting to hear Green say he's playing better because he feels more "free" in Toronto, though..whether that means not getting berated by Pop or playing in a non-Aldridge black hole system, who knows..

It means Pop is no longer living rent free in Danny's head.

[TimDunkem]

Danny Green still sucks, but you don't trade him for Jakob ing Turdle.

[Raven]

crazy

[itzsoweezee]

The front office has done a horrible job, both in that trade and over the past three years.

However, there is no way the Spurs were actively trying to get out of Danny's expiring contact. That is stupid. Even the Kings aren't that dumb.

[Chomag]

No wonder Tony and Manu along with KL chose to bounce. They saw how bad this FO truly is without players like them to hide behind. Yeah I'm not a fan of how KL did his departure (fck him
) but I honestly can't bring myself to really blame him . Seriously, if you were a top player in the league and in your prime would you want to keep wasting it on carrying this show of a roster?

Now I don't think that the Spurs FO is one of the worst FO's In the league but they definitely are one of the most overrated ones.

[TD 21]

While obviously insane, it's the only logical explanation for his being included in the trade. As I've said ad nauseam, I don't buy for a second that the Raptors don't do that trade with Gasol in his place (while giving up Richardson to balance salaries). It still would have been a homerun for them, it just wouldn't have been nearly as embarrassing for the Spurs.

Green's time with the Spurs was up, why are people acting like 95% of this forum hadn't turned on him?

Whether it was due to Aldridge-ball, Parker's decline, needing a change of scenery, contract year, whatever it was, he's back to being the old Danny Green in Toronto after struggling with the Spurs for 2 of his last 3 seasons with the team..I don't see any reason to believe that he would be playing the same way with SA as he is in Toronto..

However, it's certainly true that Pop was always much harder on him than Patty or Belinelli + the rumors of trying to move him were prevalent for 2 years or so IIRC..

Why are you acting like you saw his value initially and were always on his bandwagon? I seem to remember you thinking he sucked until advanced stats told you otherwise.

Once more, you miss the crux of the issue. It's not that he'd have been back in '12-'15 form here (he more than likely wouldn't have), it's that even in '16-'18 form, he still easily beats the crap they're trotting out on the wings, plus he represents a valuable asset in this league. Whether they valued him or not, they should have at least had the sense to realize the league does.